Huawei Mate 10 Teardown

[Bussard Ramjet]

Supplier companies are chosen based on the price quote and performance specifications.

If necessary, another company can meet the performance specifications at a higher price. It is simply a matter of economics.

You are implicitly arguing that some of those suppliers have a monopoly. That is not the case. Samsung and many other companies compete on price. They have the largest volume and charge lower prices. This is how they keep their smaller competitors at bay.

Umm... No.

It is not a matter of simply economics.

Also, pixels is just one parameter to judge an image sensor. There are many others that people don't pay attention to.

The fact remains that Sony has near monopoly over high end, premium CMOS image sensors. AND, it plays on its quality, not on price.

From this report:

OmniVision is another big name in the smartphone image sensor business, but you’re more likely to find its products in the low and mid-tier markets, rather than high-end smartphones.

The company’s typical sensor selling price is just $1.79, compared with upwards of $7 from Sony. As a result, OmniVision is expected to capitalize on the new demand for lower cost CMOS sensors from the growing Chinese and Indian smartphone markets.

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https://www.androidauthority.com/smartphone-camera-guide-sony-samsung-623791/

 

[Martian2]

Umm... No.

It is not a matter of simply economics.

Also, pixels is just one parameter to judge an image sensor. There are many others that people don't pay attention to.

The fact remains that Sony has near monopoly over high end, premium CMOS image sensors. AND, it plays on its quality, not on price.

From this report:

OmniVision is another big name in the smartphone image sensor business, but you’re more likely to find its products in the low and mid-tier markets, rather than high-end smartphones.

The company’s typical sensor selling price is just $1.79, compared with upwards of $7 from Sony. As a result, OmniVision is expected to capitalize on the new demand for lower cost CMOS sensors from the growing Chinese and Indian smartphone markets.

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https://www.androidauthority.com/smartphone-camera-guide-sony-samsung-623791/

OmniVision chips were used in previous iPhones. To suggest that OmniVision chips are not suitable for high-end smartphones is silly.

Many of the chips on your list for the Huawei Mate 10 is different from the list of chip suppliers for the Apple iPhone 8 Plus.

I stand by my claim that there are numerous suppliers of computer chips for smartphones and that the smartphone manufacturer picked the best price/performance quote. I repeat my assertion that these companies do not have a monopoly on their chip function within a smartphone. Apple constantly replaces its suppliers for a new iPhone model with a different company.

Apple iPhone 8 Plus Teardown | Tech Insights (October 11, 2017)

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

OmniVision chips were used in previous iPhones. To suggest that OmniVision chips are not suitable for high-end smartphones is silly.

Many of the chips on your list for the Huawei Mate 10 is different from the list of chip suppliers for the Apple iPhone 8 Plus.

I stand by my claim that there are numerous suppliers of computer chips for smartphones and that the smartphone manufacturer picked the best price/performance quote. I repeat my assertion that these companies do not have a monopoly on their chip function within a smartphone. Apple constantly replaces its suppliers for a new iPhone model with a different company.

Apple is apple. It's phones these days sell largely on brand value than technology itself.

As for omnivision, can you tell me where were they used? Also, Sony has actually pulled ahead of others in CMOS sensors in the last 5 years.

As for suppliers, depends on the components.

Let me give you an example of Modem.

Qualcomm dominates the field of mobile modems. But Apple doesn't want to be totally dependent on Qualcomm, so it deliberately uses a slightly inferior and slower modem of Intel to diversify its supplier base.

Take a look at Apple devices here, and see there are two modems for every version of recent iPhones, with the Intel one being slightly slow: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_devices_with_LTE_Advanced


Finally, we are talking here about CMOS sensors. And yes, there is a basic monopoly of Sony over high end CMOS sensors. It charges a premium for its sensors, and everyone uses it in their premium phones, cameras, or even drones. You have given me no other information to contradict that.

For other components, it depends.

For example, in DRAM, you can order from either Samsung, SK Hynix, or Micron. But then other companies are very far behind.

OmniVision chips were used in previous iPhones. To suggest that OmniVision chips are not suitable for high-end smartphones is silly.

Many of the chips on your list for the Huawei Mate 10 is different from the list of chip suppliers for the Apple iPhone 8 Plus.

I stand by my claim that there are numerous suppliers of computer chips for smartphones and that the smartphone manufacturer picked the best price/performance quote. I repeat my assertion that these companies do not have a monopoly on their chip function within a smartphone. Apple constantly replaces its suppliers for a new iPhone model with a different company.

Apple iPhone 8 Plus Teardown | Tech Insights (October 11, 2017)

Also, one more thing. What many companies do is that they used Omnivision for front facing camera, because they could do with inferior quality. And the back sensor was a Sony.

http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.in/2016/04/iphone-se-features-sony-and-omnivision.html

For example, here iPhone uses a front facing sensor from Omnivision, but a back facing sensor from Sony.

 

[Martian2]

Apple is apple. It's phones these days sell largely on brand value than technology itself.

As for omnivision, can you tell me where were they used? Also, Sony has actually pulled ahead of others in CMOS sensors in the last 5 years.

As for suppliers, depends on the components.

Let me give you an example of Modem.

Qualcomm dominates the field of mobile modems. But Apple doesn't want to be totally dependent on Qualcomm, so it deliberately uses a slightly inferior and slower modem of Intel to diversify its supplier base.

Take a look at Apple devices here, and see there are two modems for every version of recent iPhones, with the Intel one being slightly slow: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_devices_with_LTE_Advanced


Finally, we are talking here about CMOS sensors. And yes, there is a basic monopoly of Sony over high end CMOS sensors. It charges a premium for its sensors, and everyone uses it in their premium phones, cameras, or even drones. You have given me no other information to contradict that.

For other components, it depends.

For example, in DRAM, you can order from either Samsung, SK Hynix, or Micron. But then other companies are very far behind.



Also, one more thing. What many companies do is that they used Omnivision for front facing camera, because they could do with inferior quality. And the back sensor was a Sony.

http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.in/2016/04/iphone-se-features-sony-and-omnivision.html

For example, here iPhone uses a front facing sensor from Omnivision, but a back facing sensor from Sony.

A Huawei Mate 10 sells for $640 to $1,010 (depending on the model and amount of memory).

I think it's a waste of time to discuss a $7 chip from SONY.

The component suppliers are trivial and replaceable. It's just that no one has bothered to fight SONY over a market for $7 chips.

 

[rendong]

Apple is apple. It's phones these days sell largely on brand value than technology itself.

As for omnivision, can you tell me where were they used? Also, Sony has actually pulled ahead of others in CMOS sensors in the last 5 years.

As for suppliers, depends on the components.

Let me give you an example of Modem.

Qualcomm dominates the field of mobile modems. But Apple doesn't want to be totally dependent on Qualcomm, so it deliberately uses a slightly inferior and slower modem of Intel to diversify its supplier base.

Take a look at Apple devices here, and see there are two modems for every version of recent iPhones, with the Intel one being slightly slow: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_devices_with_LTE_Advanced


Finally, we are talking here about CMOS sensors. And yes, there is a basic monopoly of Sony over high end CMOS sensors. It charges a premium for its sensors, and everyone uses it in their premium phones, cameras, or even drones. You have given me no other information to contradict that.

For other components, it depends.

For example, in DRAM, you can order from either Samsung, SK Hynix, or Micron. But then other companies are very far behind.

China produces DRAM memory chips
http://www.unisemicon.com/keli.asp?pro_bigid=1&pro_smallid=3#Menu=ChildMenu3