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I'm suprise there is no thread about this yet.

What do Turks, Iranians and Iraqis think about this? So far, I haven't found news about backlash from neighboring countries. It seems they're not in a position to block the referendum because of Uncle Sam.

Will it increase more turmoil? Is it the beginning of the breakup of the Middle East through ethnic and religious lines?
 
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I'm suprise there is no thread about this yet.

What do Turks, Iranians and Iraqis think about this? So far, I haven't found news about backlash from neighboring countries. It seems they're not in a position to block the referendum because of Uncle Sam.

Will it increase more turmoil? Is it the beginning of the breakup of the Middle East through ethnic and religious lines?

A possible independent "Kurdistan" will only have an impact on the 4 countries where large/significant Kurdish minorities live which are Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria with the largest number of Kurds living in that order of the 4 countries (Turkey largest, Syria smallest).

I am interested (obviously) in how this will impact Iraq and Syria (first and foremost) and here the impact (should such a unrealistic thing even occur) will be very small considering the fact that Kurds inhabit a tiny area of Syria and a slightly larger (albeit small too) in Iraq. Currently the maps in war-torn Iraq and Syria look differently than what they will once most people return to their native lands and once the Kurdish trenches have been dealt with in non-Kurdish areas in both Iraq and Syria (a question of time).

For instance the SDF is majority Arab (contrary to what some reports are publishing). Most of Northeastern Syria is Arab-inhabited expect for the Northern part of Al-Hasakah province.

In the so-called KRG (I prefer to call it Barzanistan personally), around 1/3 of the population is Arab (many of whom are Sunni Arab refugees that will likely stay) and growing, so Kurdish nationalists fantasies of a "pure" "Kurdistan" will remain that, a fantasy. Moreover we are talking about a tiny, landlocked and mountainous region (with hardly any agriculture, few natural resources) etc. That is why the trench builders (KDP) are so obsessed about Kirkuk (oil) which will and should return to Baghdad's full control.

As for all those events having an impact in say KSA, GCC, Jordan, Yemen, Egypt or other parts of the Middle East or Arab world? Very doubtful IMO. It will be limited to the 4 countries that I mentioned for obvious reasons.

As for my personally views, well, I believe that the Arab countries (at least) should be supporting Baghdad and Damascus and help aid them when they will get their few occupied lands (thanks to the dying ISIS) back which will be a question of time.

The rest is irrelevant as for instance tiny KRG (Barzanistan) is more of a burden for Iraq than anything else, should the disputed areas be settled. It has been bad business for Iraq overall economically and politically.

However I doubt that KRG will become independent anytime soon or that many countries will recognize them. They will always be surrounded by much bigger, stronger and richer countries and peoples.

The US/West won't put all their eggs in KRG's or an independent "Kurdistan" basket. That's impossible as Iraq alone is more important, richer and more populous.

BTW it would be interesting if you could post some news about Eritrea (your homeland) or the Horn of Africa in general as this is after all a section of PDF that covers Africa. Hardly any discussion about that region of the world which is a shame IMO.

I have nothing against Kurds at all as a people but I am just not fond of their land-grabbing or the anti-Arabs among them (a minority of Kurds, it must be said) or those hostile to Iraq in particular.

Quite frankly, without being so-called "politically correct", the Kurdish leaderships in both Iraq (in particular) and Syria are enemies of Baghdad and Damascus due to their actions.
 
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@TheCamelGuy

Bro, did you watch this interview yet? I think that the interviewer did a good job at challenging The Kaka.

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/we...tan-region-s-Barzani-ahead-of-referendum.html

BTW do you have any "inside knowledge" about the situation in Kirkuk?

Nice profile pic BTW. However may I suggest those photos for a change?





As for the "other" camel, better not that here when kids are around. NO pics.

Children just playing state games... If things go too far, papa will punish them.

May I ask why Turkey (Erdogan) is supporting/financing Barzanistan if he is against an independent Kurdistan? Or is this about pushing the problem towards Iraq thinking that somehow the many times more numerous Kurds in Turkey that live just across the border, will magically stop wanting their own independent homeland? Would that not just strengthen their desire and belief in such a "project". Does Erdogan not know that the same KRG that is ruled by Barzani, do not consider PKK or YPG as terrorist grouped, rather the opposite? Does he not know that those groups and people work together? Or that Turkish money invested in KRG reaches YGP and PKK?

I never understood this policy. Or Erdogan's policy in Northern Syria either. If you ask me, a lot of it is one failure after another.

Curious to hear what a Turkish user thinks about the topics that I have raised.
 
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I'm suprise there is no thread about this yet.

What do Turks, Iranians and Iraqis think about this? So far, I haven't found news about backlash from neighboring countries. It seems they're not in a position to block the referendum because of Uncle Sam.

Will it increase more turmoil? Is it the beginning of the breakup of the Middle East through ethnic and religious lines?
I agree with you..Kurdish population is close to 35 million soles living between Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria, will have their own states before the dust settle in Syria in Iraq..It is inevitable...no matter what resistance of the countries ,named above will put forward.
 
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Kurds will get their state no matter what, they have never ever been closer to achive their goal of independency than they are today.

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In Syria and Iraq likely, but not in Turkey. Turkey has a powerful military and is a Nato Ally and there is no major conflict in Turkey. Also Majority of Kurds in Turkey hate the Pkk
 
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we may send the trouble makers there just drop them with parachute from plane over a city..

but the real thing if they have a own country build by ethnic cleansing just wait for the wrath of the arabs.. they will never have a peacefull time..
 
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we may send the trouble makers there just drop them with parachute from plane over a city..

but the real thing if they have a own country build by ethnic cleansing just wait for the wrath of the arabs.. they will never have a peacefull time..

Times have changed brother. Baghdad is no longer the same Baghdad that it was. However the local Iraqi Sunni Arabs are very much the same as are the Syrian Sunni Arabs. That is a consolation for the time being.

You are the guy to be beheaded like a little pig screaming, instead some poor Syrian's or Iraqi's already hit by US :)

A bit harsh for stating that a future Kurdistan looks likely, don't you think? Our Algerian (Kabyle) friend wrote the same just above.:)

BTW, I do not believe that @Arabi supports Kurdish land grabbing and if that is the case I strongly disagree personally as do almost every Arab.

Kurds will get their state no matter what, they have never ever been closer to achive their goal of independency than they are today.

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This is a highly inaccurate map bro in regards to Iraq.
 
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A bit harsh for stating that a future Kurdistan looks likely, don't you think? Our Algerian (Kabyle) friend wrote the same just above.:)

BTW, I do not believe that @Arabi supports Kurdish land grabbing and if that is the case I strongly disagree personally as do almost every Arab.
Whatever he says but I spoke what I really think about Arabi and his alikes. Then I say on matter, lot's of people will be disappointed.
 
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Kurds will get their state no matter what, they have never ever been closer to achive their goal of independency than they are today.

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Kurds kill arabs in Syria and Iraq.
They raped arab women.
They banish arabs from her homeland.
For kurds, every arab is a ISIS terrorist.
You: "Everything is fine, support Kurdistan"
You are everything like a goddamn traitor but not an arab!
 
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@Saif al-Arab I was wondering what are the opinions of arabs in the gulf states about the kurds? since kurdish groups are stealing sunni arab land in syria and Iraq i would of thought the arabs in the gulf region would put up more of a fuss about it.
 
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