How to counter indian S-400 after this Kashmir issue

[Shaqgenie]

ASELSAN KORAL EW system was developed against the Greek S-300!!! Now that Turkey has got S-400 for herself it'll be definitely be fine tuned for S-400!!! It's already been deployed at the field for the last couple of years. Rumor is that it was tested live in the Syrian theater!!!

And, some of EW burden can be carried by the following HALE UAVs: Aksungur (flight tests on-going) and Akinji (under development- test flight within this year):

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What if that gets targeted and destroyed?

UAV is a very easy A-A target in combat.

 

[skyshadow]

just question..can S-400 stop a "modern high speed ballistic missile" ?

ballistic missiles: Yes


quasi ballistic missile: No

 

[El Sidd]

first go through this war and then talk of S400

 

[Khafee]

Why not develop 450 miles long range MLRS like rockets and unleash them on the point of interest its my two cent. If I am not mistaken one battery carries 16- 20 ready to launch missiles even the battery can shoot down all the incoming rockets at it just increase the number of rockets. Reloading of those batteries does takes time and as long as electronic intelligence is correct batteries can be located. Earlier someone have mentioned of swarm attack by drones as well. Am sure there are more experienced people on this forum who can high light better ideas. If there is a will am sure there is always a way.

MLRS with a range of 400km +/- do exist - WS-2D

The WS-2D, are 400mm rockets that can optionally carry anti-radiation warheads.

 

[Shaqgenie]

MLRS with a range of 400km +/- do exist - WS-2D

The WS-2D, are 400mm rockets that can optionally carry anti-radiation warheads.

200kg cruise missiles seem like a better idea. Ones that can be launched from small missile boats.

 

[Khafee]

There are mechanisms to avoid air defenses. There have to be combination of following techniques
- overwhelming enemy air defense systems with cheap drones and baloons.
- using electronic counter measures.
- using very low flying stealth cruise missiles.
- using low flying stealthy drones.
- using ballistic missiles with MIRV technology like ababeel.

Ra'ad as well.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

What if that gets targeted and destroyed?

UAV is a very easy A-A target in combat.

They have these giant structures for a reason!!! Please note the following:

• They have GaN (fast switching at high power) devices based EW suits filled to the brim. Coupled with custom algorithms which are part of the humongous on-board on-the-fly AI based computational capability to collect and decipher enemy signals, and come up with effective solutions. All on real-time, at the heat of the battle, and within a fraction of time a feeble human mind would take
• They have their own GaN based AESA radar. Coupled with indigenous BVR missiles to engage enemy assets
• They can not only jam the enemy signals but also create "phantom images" to deceive the AD or enemy A-A missiles to mis-fire
• They work in a net centric environment with other friendly assets in the air, land and sea
• And, all are home built for your own use and interest only!!! So, no kill switch, no industrial/commercial generalizations (known to every Tom and Harry), no hold backs, no catering for the Imperialists' geostrategic designs etc.

Hence, targeting and destroying them aren't that easy...

 

[skyshadow]

Use SEAD anti radiation UAVs like IAI Harop that looks for radiation and goes towards it. It was used against Pantsir and other SAM in Syria recently.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Harop

yes but that is if Israel help PK which i do not think they will.

 

[Shaqgenie]

They have these giant structures for a reason!!! Please note the following:

• They have GaN (fast switching at high power) devices based EW suits filled to the brim. Coupled with custom algorithms which are part of the humongous on-board on-the-fly AI based computational capability to collect and decipher enemy signals, and come up with effective solutions. All on real-time, at the heat of the battle, and within a fraction of time a feeble human mind would take
• They have their own GaN based AESA radar. Coupled with indigenous BVR missiles to engage enemy assets
• They can not only jam the enemy signals but also create "phantom images" to deceive the AD or enemy A-A missiles to mis-fire
• They work in a net centric environment with other friendly assets in the air, land and sea
• And, all are home built for your own use and interest only!!! So, no kill switch, no industrial/commercial generalizations (known to every Tom and Harry), no hold backs, no catering for the Imperialists' geostrategic designs etc.

Hence, targeting and destroying them aren't that easy...

Beni Israel would disagree.

yes but that is if Israel help PK which i do not think they will.

No, use the same concept which isn't very hard.
Or how about using a Delilah 200 kg from many platforms? You can use from pretty much any boat, plane, vehicle.

Just need a rocket motor for ground launching and the ability to input GPS/Weiboo/GLONASS coordinates for launching which can't be any harder than launching other missiles.

Anti radiation seeker in front of missile could work very well.

 

[Khafee]

ballistic missiles: Yes


quasi ballistic missile: No

It's the other way around

 

[BRAVO_]

every missile system has its weaknesses and we saw the same in Syria where russia deployed S-400 and the barrage of Tomahawks demonstrated the Pentagon’s capacity to perforate the Russian defenses in Syria, possibly showing the vulnerability of the S-400 to low-flying missiles with small radar cross-sections.

The S-400 radar probably detected the Tomahawk swarm but the firing system apparently did not attempt to hit any missiles. It is now an open question whether Moscow’s military command in Syria deliberately opted not to engage the US missiles once informed of the imminent attack or, in contrast, was unable to react.

all types of air defense systems, including the S-400, are still in large part untested as to whether they can resist multiple missile attacks. but that particular day in fight between Tomahawks and S-400, Tomahawks successfully hit Shayrat airbase in central Syria.

in indo pak case, The first line of defense against any misadventure in case of miscalculation and over-reliance on S-400 defense systems by India will be Babur. The cruise missile Babur is an all-weather nuclear capable land, sea and air launch capable missile. With a range of 700km and other distinct features such as Terrain Contour Matching (TERCOM) and all-time Digital Scene Matching and Area Co-relation (DSMAC) technologies, which facilitate it to engage in different types of targets with pinpoint accuracy even in the absence of GPS navigation makes it difficult for S-400 batteries stationed across the border to intercept the barrage of Babur low-flying, terrain-hugging missiles

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Beni Israel would disagree.

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Beni Israil disagree even with GOD, forget about the mortals...

 

[skyshadow]

Beni Israel would disagree.


No, use the same concept which isn't very hard.
Or how about using a Delilah 200 kg from many platforms? You can use from pretty much any boat, plane, vehicle.

Just need a rocket motor for ground launching and the ability to input GPS/Weiboo/GLONASS coordinates for launching which can't be any harder than launching other missiles.

Anti radiation seeker in front of missile could work very well.

its good but again its Israeli and hard to get and reverse engineer and well you have BABUR missile air launch and ground launch for that and you know 250 KM is to much in S400's no fly zone so the pilot will probably go kamikaze style so i will say you have to get it to have at least 350 KM range again at least.

all said you need a concept which is cheap and easy to mass produce as you have to overwhelm the S400 and its guards with drones and missiles and rackets and cyber attacks and so on.... i know that is what Iran will do .

 

[Shaqgenie]

Beni Israil disagree even with GOD, forget about the mortals...

Their greatest collaboraters are the Hindus. Hindus will get the Jews help to counter anything Pakistan has.

 

[skyshadow]

It's the other way around

and why is that