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How the Taliban's Afghanistan takeover could hurt US-Pakistan ties
By S Khan (Islamabad) | 10h ago

NATO has said Pakistan has a "special responsibility" to make sure Afghanistan lives up to its international commitments. But some Pakistanis say they refuse to be the "scapegoats" of the West's failure in Afghanistan.
The fall of Kabul to the Taliban has left many people in Pakistan questioning their country's future relations with the US.


Some hard-liners in Pakistan say Washington will blame Islamabad for the Islamic fundamentalist group's takeover of Afghanistan.

Pakistan's Human Rights Minister Shireen Mazari wrote an article on Tuesday asserting that "her country would no longer accept being scapegoated for the failures of others."

Bill Emmott, former editor-in-chief of The Economist, wrote last week in a commentary for Project Syndicate that "the blame" for failure in Afghanistan and the return of the Taliban "lies largely with Pakistan and America's inability to bring the country onside."

Pakistan is said to be the largest backer of the cloistered group of the Taliban whose regime was recognized by Islamabad when they governed Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001.

Husain Haqqani, the South and Central Asia director at the Hudson Institute — a Washington-based think tank — says Pakistan's past role in Afghanistan has always created friction between Washington and Islamabad.

"Most Americans believe Pakistan's consistent support enabled the Taliban to succeed," Haqqani told DW.

"There is resentment against Pakistan's role in Afghanistan which may not help improve US-Pakistan ties in the near future," he added.

Waning interest for Pakistan
Pakistan in the past relied heavily on the US military and financial assistance, with some estimates suggesting that the country may have received over $30 billion (€25.5 billion) from Washington since 2001.

Islamabad also received generous aid packages and financial assistance during the Cold War when it was a close ally of the US.

But Haqqani says there is very little support in Washington "for resuming large-scale economic or military assistance for Pakistan right now."

Author Ayesha Siddiqa believes Washington has "lost interest" in Islamabad. Pakistan has always sought funds and military assistance from the US, but such support would no longer be on the cards, Siddiqa told DW.

"The ties are already strained and there is a sanction-like situation with Pakistan being in the grey list of FATF (Financial Action Task Force)," she added.

The China factor
Defense analyst General Amjad Shoaib says Pakistan's close ties with China have also strained Washington-Islamabad relations.

Pakistan has sought a strategic partnership with China, throwing support behind the Belt and Road Initiative, Shoaib told DW, adding that the move particularly did not go down well with Washington.

The US still has many supporters in Afghanistan, he says, predicting that the war-torn country would be used against Pakistan by "pampering" Baloch insurgents who would target Chinese interests in Pakistan.

According to Haqqani, the US and Pakistan have very different foreign policy strategies, and so will have to find a new basis.

"Pakistan has made the strategic choice of aligning with China while the US seems to have chosen India as its strategic partner in the region. With tactical cooperation relating to Afghanistan diminishing, the relationship will have to find a new basis," he told DW.

Pakistan's 'special responsibility'
NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg on Friday told reporters that Pakistan "has a special responsibility to make sure that Afghanistan lives up to its international commitments" and does "not once again become a safe haven for international terrorists."

"A stable Afghanistan is in the interest of all countries and not least the neighbors as Pakistan," he said at the press conference.

According to Haqqani, "Any evidence of international Jihadi groups becoming active again will also result in sanctions against Afghanistan which has implications for Islamabad as well."

But for Amjad Shoaib, the US could use the "pretext" of human rights and the presence of international terror groups to blackmail Pakistan. The defense analyst questioned why such groups were not eliminated during NATO's 20-year-long occupation.

Disruptions to Pakistan's economy
Economist Azra Talat Saeed warns that deteriorating Washington-Islamabad relations would have a catastrophic impact for Pakistan. Saeed also believes the US will use its leverage against Pakistan.

"The US and its allies will make it more and more difficult for us (Pakistan) to access funds," she told DW, adding that the country is at risk of economic chaos like Iran and Venezuela.

Saeed believes that Washington will pressure Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies to "create problems for Pakistani workers" and cause crucial remittances to plummet.

"This would be very devastating for our economy," she said.

The coronavirus pandemic has already dealt a severe blow to Pakistan's economy, prompting the closure of over 55,000 small businesses, rendering more than 20 million people jobless. The country already faces over $100 billion dollars in external debt.

Salman Shah, a former federal minister for finance, says that if Pakistan is "pushed to the corner," then Islamabad has Russia, China and other regional countries "to fall back upon."

"We wish to have good ties with the US and want it to be involved economically in the region," he told DW.

 
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Seems like Afghanistan is at peace , the locals are happy

Unsure why the fuss exist in international media about few folks looking for citizenship

War is over in Afghanistan officially
 
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How the Taliban's Afghanistan takeover could hurt US-Pakistan ties
By S Khan (Islamabad) | 10h ago

NATO has said Pakistan has a "special responsibility" to make sure Afghanistan lives up to its international commitments. But some Pakistanis say they refuse to be the "scapegoats" of the West's failure in Afghanistan.
The fall of Kabul to the Taliban has left many people in Pakistan questioning their country's future relations with the US.


Some hard-liners in Pakistan say Washington will blame Islamabad for the Islamic fundamentalist group's takeover of Afghanistan.

Pakistan's Human Rights Minister Shireen Mazari wrote an article on Tuesday asserting that "her country would no longer accept being scapegoated for the failures of others."

Bill Emmott, former editor-in-chief of The Economist, wrote last week in a commentary for Project Syndicate that "the blame" for failure in Afghanistan and the return of the Taliban "lies largely with Pakistan and America's inability to bring the country onside."

Pakistan is said to be the largest backer of the cloistered group of the Taliban whose regime was recognized by Islamabad when they governed Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001.

Husain Haqqani, the South and Central Asia director at the Hudson Institute — a Washington-based think tank — says Pakistan's past role in Afghanistan has always created friction between Washington and Islamabad.

"Most Americans believe Pakistan's consistent support enabled the Taliban to succeed," Haqqani told DW.

"There is resentment against Pakistan's role in Afghanistan which may not help improve US-Pakistan ties in the near future," he added.

Waning interest for Pakistan
Pakistan in the past relied heavily on the US military and financial assistance, with some estimates suggesting that the country may have received over $30 billion (€25.5 billion) from Washington since 2001.

Islamabad also received generous aid packages and financial assistance during the Cold War when it was a close ally of the US.

But Haqqani says there is very little support in Washington "for resuming large-scale economic or military assistance for Pakistan right now."

Author Ayesha Siddiqa believes Washington has "lost interest" in Islamabad. Pakistan has always sought funds and military assistance from the US, but such support would no longer be on the cards, Siddiqa told DW.

"The ties are already strained and there is a sanction-like situation with Pakistan being in the grey list of FATF (Financial Action Task Force)," she added.

The China factor
Defense analyst General Amjad Shoaib says Pakistan's close ties with China have also strained Washington-Islamabad relations.

Pakistan has sought a strategic partnership with China, throwing support behind the Belt and Road Initiative, Shoaib told DW, adding that the move particularly did not go down well with Washington.

The US still has many supporters in Afghanistan, he says, predicting that the war-torn country would be used against Pakistan by "pampering" Baloch insurgents who would target Chinese interests in Pakistan.

According to Haqqani, the US and Pakistan have very different foreign policy strategies, and so will have to find a new basis.

"Pakistan has made the strategic choice of aligning with China while the US seems to have chosen India as its strategic partner in the region. With tactical cooperation relating to Afghanistan diminishing, the relationship will have to find a new basis," he told DW.

Pakistan's 'special responsibility'
NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg on Friday told reporters that Pakistan "has a special responsibility to make sure that Afghanistan lives up to its international commitments" and does "not once again become a safe haven for international terrorists."

"A stable Afghanistan is in the interest of all countries and not least the neighbors as Pakistan," he said at the press conference.

According to Haqqani, "Any evidence of international Jihadi groups becoming active again will also result in sanctions against Afghanistan which has implications for Islamabad as well."

But for Amjad Shoaib, the US could use the "pretext" of human rights and the presence of international terror groups to blackmail Pakistan. The defense analyst questioned why such groups were not eliminated during NATO's 20-year-long occupation.

Disruptions to Pakistan's economy
Economist Azra Talat Saeed warns that deteriorating Washington-Islamabad relations would have a catastrophic impact for Pakistan. Saeed also believes the US will use its leverage against Pakistan.

"The US and its allies will make it more and more difficult for us (Pakistan) to access funds," she told DW, adding that the country is at risk of economic chaos like Iran and Venezuela.

Saeed believes that Washington will pressure Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies to "create problems for Pakistani workers" and cause crucial remittances to plummet.

"This would be very devastating for our economy," she said.

The coronavirus pandemic has already dealt a severe blow to Pakistan's economy, prompting the closure of over 55,000 small businesses, rendering more than 20 million people jobless. The country already faces over $100 billion dollars in external debt.

Salman Shah, a former federal minister for finance, says that if Pakistan is "pushed to the corner," then Islamabad has Russia, China and other regional countries "to fall back upon."

"We wish to have good ties with the US and want it to be involved economically in the region," he told DW.

No issue between Pak and US... all done through Qatar Accord and all going according to the plan.
 
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It is not going to be as usual with Pakistan. But I think Pakistan has already taken all of this into account when they made the move. Lets see how it unfolds hereon.
 
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Unsure what the fuss is about , USA was wasting money , now they don't waste money
Afghanistan is in hand of it's local the deal was signed 1 year ago

It was a planned , departure , Media has made a story out of it because 20,000-40,000 people want free citizenship in USA or Europe

The drama has been to get free Citizenship overseas
  • Few people 10,000-30,000 want free citizenship , free perks that is why they are jumping around like yoyo

Biden has been a great leader for USA made a bold decision time to move forward

It is stupid to keep making same mistake for sake of ego , Afghanistan thing was done in 2010 why is USA wasting money into Afghanistan for 20+ years no point let them work for their own living
 
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For 20 years, USA used her military power where it was not appropriate at all as Taliban were not fighting as regular army but guerilla warfare. Actual defeat factor for USA was her own rogue attitude, her fool think-tanks, incapability of her generals to respond properly to the tactics used by Talibans.
So as usual, now looking for some dumb arguments and escape goat and in their eyes Pakistan is the most suitable country to cover-up USA inability. USA should remember that this 2021 and not 2001.
 
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The people causing drama are mostly

a) People looking for easy citizenship in USA
b) Who just want easy money
c) They got used to free money for doing practically nothing for 20 years
d) They feel they are entitled to free citizenship so they are just bad mouthing their own country

But for rest of the 99.9% people they are doing trade , going to school , going shopping , watching tv , playing sports

Life is quite normal in Afghanistan , but media will only show the airport where the citizenship seekers are gathered up , look it is a free citizenship if you get on plane you get free citizenship , free benefits
 
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How the Taliban's Afghanistan takeover could hurt US-Pakistan ties
By S Khan (Islamabad) | 10h ago

NATO has said Pakistan has a "special responsibility" to make sure Afghanistan lives up to its international commitments. But some Pakistanis say they refuse to be the "scapegoats" of the West's failure in Afghanistan.
The fall of Kabul to the Taliban has left many people in Pakistan questioning their country's future relations with the US.


Some hard-liners in Pakistan say Washington will blame Islamabad for the Islamic fundamentalist group's takeover of Afghanistan.

Pakistan's Human Rights Minister Shireen Mazari wrote an article on Tuesday asserting that "her country would no longer accept being scapegoated for the failures of others."

Bill Emmott, former editor-in-chief of The Economist, wrote last week in a commentary for Project Syndicate that "the blame" for failure in Afghanistan and the return of the Taliban "lies largely with Pakistan and America's inability to bring the country onside."

Pakistan is said to be the largest backer of the cloistered group of the Taliban whose regime was recognized by Islamabad when they governed Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001.

Husain Haqqani, the South and Central Asia director at the Hudson Institute — a Washington-based think tank — says Pakistan's past role in Afghanistan has always created friction between Washington and Islamabad.

"Most Americans believe Pakistan's consistent support enabled the Taliban to succeed," Haqqani told DW.

"There is resentment against Pakistan's role in Afghanistan which may not help improve US-Pakistan ties in the near future," he added.

Waning interest for Pakistan
Pakistan in the past relied heavily on the US military and financial assistance, with some estimates suggesting that the country may have received over $30 billion (€25.5 billion) from Washington since 2001.

Islamabad also received generous aid packages and financial assistance during the Cold War when it was a close ally of the US.

But Haqqani says there is very little support in Washington "for resuming large-scale economic or military assistance for Pakistan right now."

Author Ayesha Siddiqa believes Washington has "lost interest" in Islamabad. Pakistan has always sought funds and military assistance from the US, but such support would no longer be on the cards, Siddiqa told DW.

"The ties are already strained and there is a sanction-like situation with Pakistan being in the grey list of FATF (Financial Action Task Force)," she added.

The China factor
Defense analyst General Amjad Shoaib says Pakistan's close ties with China have also strained Washington-Islamabad relations.

Pakistan has sought a strategic partnership with China, throwing support behind the Belt and Road Initiative, Shoaib told DW, adding that the move particularly did not go down well with Washington.

The US still has many supporters in Afghanistan, he says, predicting that the war-torn country would be used against Pakistan by "pampering" Baloch insurgents who would target Chinese interests in Pakistan.

According to Haqqani, the US and Pakistan have very different foreign policy strategies, and so will have to find a new basis.

"Pakistan has made the strategic choice of aligning with China while the US seems to have chosen India as its strategic partner in the region. With tactical cooperation relating to Afghanistan diminishing, the relationship will have to find a new basis," he told DW.

Pakistan's 'special responsibility'
NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg on Friday told reporters that Pakistan "has a special responsibility to make sure that Afghanistan lives up to its international commitments" and does "not once again become a safe haven for international terrorists."

"A stable Afghanistan is in the interest of all countries and not least the neighbors as Pakistan," he said at the press conference.

According to Haqqani, "Any evidence of international Jihadi groups becoming active again will also result in sanctions against Afghanistan which has implications for Islamabad as well."

But for Amjad Shoaib, the US could use the "pretext" of human rights and the presence of international terror groups to blackmail Pakistan. The defense analyst questioned why such groups were not eliminated during NATO's 20-year-long occupation.

Disruptions to Pakistan's economy
Economist Azra Talat Saeed warns that deteriorating Washington-Islamabad relations would have a catastrophic impact for Pakistan. Saeed also believes the US will use its leverage against Pakistan.

"The US and its allies will make it more and more difficult for us (Pakistan) to access funds," she told DW, adding that the country is at risk of economic chaos like Iran and Venezuela.

Saeed believes that Washington will pressure Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies to "create problems for Pakistani workers" and cause crucial remittances to plummet.

"This would be very devastating for our economy," she said.

The coronavirus pandemic has already dealt a severe blow to Pakistan's economy, prompting the closure of over 55,000 small businesses, rendering more than 20 million people jobless. The country already faces over $100 billion dollars in external debt.

Salman Shah, a former federal minister for finance, says that if Pakistan is "pushed to the corner," then Islamabad has Russia, China and other regional countries "to fall back upon."

"We wish to have good ties with the US and want it to be involved economically in the region," he told DW.

I belive Pakistan does not care of US relations. Infact pak us relations were never good since the betrayal of 1971
 
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How the Taliban's Afghanistan takeover could hurt US-Pakistan ties
By S Khan (Islamabad) | 10h ago

NATO has said Pakistan has a "special responsibility" to make sure Afghanistan lives up to its international commitments. But some Pakistanis say they refuse to be the "scapegoats" of the West's failure in Afghanistan.
The fall of Kabul to the Taliban has left many people in Pakistan questioning their country's future relations with the US.


Some hard-liners in Pakistan say Washington will blame Islamabad for the Islamic fundamentalist group's takeover of Afghanistan.

Pakistan's Human Rights Minister Shireen Mazari wrote an article on Tuesday asserting that "her country would no longer accept being scapegoated for the failures of others."

Bill Emmott, former editor-in-chief of The Economist, wrote last week in a commentary for Project Syndicate that "the blame" for failure in Afghanistan and the return of the Taliban "lies largely with Pakistan and America's inability to bring the country onside."

Pakistan is said to be the largest backer of the cloistered group of the Taliban whose regime was recognized by Islamabad when they governed Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001.

Husain Haqqani, the South and Central Asia director at the Hudson Institute — a Washington-based think tank — says Pakistan's past role in Afghanistan has always created friction between Washington and Islamabad.

"Most Americans believe Pakistan's consistent support enabled the Taliban to succeed," Haqqani told DW.

"There is resentment against Pakistan's role in Afghanistan which may not help improve US-Pakistan ties in the near future," he added.

Waning interest for Pakistan
Pakistan in the past relied heavily on the US military and financial assistance, with some estimates suggesting that the country may have received over $30 billion (€25.5 billion) from Washington since 2001.

Islamabad also received generous aid packages and financial assistance during the Cold War when it was a close ally of the US.

But Haqqani says there is very little support in Washington "for resuming large-scale economic or military assistance for Pakistan right now."

Author Ayesha Siddiqa believes Washington has "lost interest" in Islamabad. Pakistan has always sought funds and military assistance from the US, but such support would no longer be on the cards, Siddiqa told DW.

"The ties are already strained and there is a sanction-like situation with Pakistan being in the grey list of FATF (Financial Action Task Force)," she added.

The China factor
Defense analyst General Amjad Shoaib says Pakistan's close ties with China have also strained Washington-Islamabad relations.

Pakistan has sought a strategic partnership with China, throwing support behind the Belt and Road Initiative, Shoaib told DW, adding that the move particularly did not go down well with Washington.

The US still has many supporters in Afghanistan, he says, predicting that the war-torn country would be used against Pakistan by "pampering" Baloch insurgents who would target Chinese interests in Pakistan.

According to Haqqani, the US and Pakistan have very different foreign policy strategies, and so will have to find a new basis.

"Pakistan has made the strategic choice of aligning with China while the US seems to have chosen India as its strategic partner in the region. With tactical cooperation relating to Afghanistan diminishing, the relationship will have to find a new basis," he told DW.

Pakistan's 'special responsibility'
NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg on Friday told reporters that Pakistan "has a special responsibility to make sure that Afghanistan lives up to its international commitments" and does "not once again become a safe haven for international terrorists."

"A stable Afghanistan is in the interest of all countries and not least the neighbors as Pakistan," he said at the press conference.

According to Haqqani, "Any evidence of international Jihadi groups becoming active again will also result in sanctions against Afghanistan which has implications for Islamabad as well."

But for Amjad Shoaib, the US could use the "pretext" of human rights and the presence of international terror groups to blackmail Pakistan. The defense analyst questioned why such groups were not eliminated during NATO's 20-year-long occupation.

Disruptions to Pakistan's economy
Economist Azra Talat Saeed warns that deteriorating Washington-Islamabad relations would have a catastrophic impact for Pakistan. Saeed also believes the US will use its leverage against Pakistan.

"The US and its allies will make it more and more difficult for us (Pakistan) to access funds," she told DW, adding that the country is at risk of economic chaos like Iran and Venezuela.

Saeed believes that Washington will pressure Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies to "create problems for Pakistani workers" and cause crucial remittances to plummet.

"This would be very devastating for our economy," she said.

The coronavirus pandemic has already dealt a severe blow to Pakistan's economy, prompting the closure of over 55,000 small businesses, rendering more than 20 million people jobless. The country already faces over $100 billion dollars in external debt.

Salman Shah, a former federal minister for finance, says that if Pakistan is "pushed to the corner," then Islamabad has Russia, China and other regional countries "to fall back upon."

"We wish to have good ties with the US and want it to be involved economically in the region," he told DW.

doesn`t matter!
 
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These noises are made from certain quarters, the likes of Haqqani and co and we all know whose tunes they dance upon.
If Biden wants to continue bitching about Taliban and Pakistan than he is most welcome however from his address it seems he does not intend to do so.

US does not want to give any military aid or financial and I dont think there are any in Pakistan, waiting for one either. As far as we are concerned, the policy cannot be clear than what the Premier said, we will help you get out as friends and not being your slaves waging wars.

FATF cannot blacklist Pakistan, it will continue to keep us in the grey list, FATF has already been used extensively but it can only pull this much. As for the Gulf allies, UAE most definitely, KSA i doubt it considering how strain the relationship is between MBS and new US regime. Trump would have been a different game but than again we can never be sure about how the Gulf countries behave. If all goes to shit, than we too should not be hesitant to woo the Iranians specially in their quest in ME. A tit for tat response.

I do believe planners have taken everything into consideration before hedging our bets. It however remains to be seen if they pay off or not.
 
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