How Pakistan can increase its power, and its relation to international politics

[Pakistani Fighter]

Trade

 

[KhanBaba2]

What about a country 7x bigger then it, with a bigger economy and military budget but ends up enjoying too much tea?

Stick to the topic.

 

[Rusty]

Stick to the topic.

You should as well and not say nonsense.

 

[KhanBaba2]

You should as well and not say nonsense.

I was on topic. Respect is required to increase your standing among nations.

 

[CrazyZ]

Great Post. Pakistan must grow its economy to expand its power. Especially.......its industrial/manufacturing sector. With as much self sufficiency in weaponary, food, water, energy, and medical supplies as possible. Merger between Pakistan and Afghanistan would solve problems for both sides (won't happen with the current regime in Kabul). Afghanistan would get easy access to the ocean and the agricultural output of the Indus valley. Pakistan would get easier access to Central Asia and possible some minerals. Russia is pretty dominate with the CAR's, there is no competition their. Better to improve relations with Moscow and the CAR to increase trade between the CIS and Pakistan.

 

[MastanKhan]

Not at ALL
Singapore, luxembourg, Hong Kong, Korea, Taiwan etc. are all tiny nations with small population but are great economies and great nations.

All you need is an innovative population with laws that encourages the economy.

Hi,

None of them are great nations even though they are great economies---.

Now convert them to islam and give them nucs---tell them to yell at every opportunity they will threaten to nuc their neighbor and see how fast they get castigated---.

 

[Syed1.]

Economy. Economy. Economy.

 

[Rusty]

Hi,

None of them are great nations even though they are great economies---.

Now convert them to islam and give them nucs---tell them to yell at every opportunity they will threaten to nuc their neighbor and see how fast they get castigated---.

If your definition of "great nation" is their ability to wage war against others then maybe.

That is not my definition.
Each of those countries have advanced economies, advanced military for defense and advanced quality of life for their people.

Sounds great to me.

I was on topic. Respect is required to increase your standing among nations.

Yes respect, which comes from your ability to defend yourself.
Which Pakistan did with tea.
We showed the world we are no Syria or Libya.

 

[American Pakistani]

A policy maker seeks either to keep power (1)... to increase its power (2)... to demonstrate its power (3). I will come back to these points later.

What do all great powers have in common... (1), A Nuclear arsenal, (2) large territories, (3) sizeable population, and (4) Spheres of influences.

The projected great powers of the future are said to be (1) USA, (2) China, (3) Russia, (4) India, (5) The EU. All these 5 nations (counting EU as one too) have the above 4 mentioned requirements.

Where does Pakistan fit in all of this? Pakistan has two of the above mentioned requirements (1) A nuclear arsenal and (3) A sizeable population, but it is missing (2) and (4). Canada for example, only possesses requirement (2), whereas North Korea only possesses requirement (1), Pakistan in its current state can only hope to be a semi power.

That begs the question as to how Pakistan can fulfil the other two requirements? And what will happen should it not pursue to become a major power?

Pakistan can fulfil requirement (2) by merging with Afghanistan thereby having that large territory, and fulfil requirement (4) by extending its range of influence into the Central Asian republics thereby challenging Russia.

Pakistan in its current state maintains a status quo, which is, seeking to keep power. "Domestic and international politics are by two different manifestations of the same phenomenon: the struggle for power... All nations are either preparing for, actively involved in, or are recovering from violence in the form of war" -Hans... The difference between domestic politics and international politics is separated by the thread of revolution on one hand and war on the other. All nations go through these phases of power struggles within and without.

Pakistan has demonstrated its power in Afghanistan by supporting those parties that are aligned to them of which they share a common interest, which is religion, however it has failed to increase its power due to the reason that it has not adopted those same values of the parties that it supports, which puts it in a quagmire of either keeping power (maintaining status quo) or increasing its power, which is to distribute power to those that are aligned in its policy, much like the Soviet Union which supported the Communist Cuban revolution, and other failed revolution in the Americas such as Grenada and Nicaragua. Unlike the Soviets, Pakistan has not completely adopted its own values for the struggle of power, while it has on the other hand come out as a staunch defender and strong supporter of those values which it supports.

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Slav Defence @Sine Nomine @Ace of Spades @Psychic @Rusty

I think afghan led govt and power circles should hold referendum if they want to merge. But for at least 1 decade it should be a union which would be autonomous and do its own things except military(which would be under 1 command having Afghan regiment) , currency and foreign affairs which will come from a national capital. After a decade it should be gradually merge.

 

[H. Dawary]

I think afghan led govt and power circles should hold referendum if they want to merge. But for at least 1 decade it should be a union which would be autonomous and do its own things except military(which would be under 1 command having Afghan regiment) , currency and foreign affairs which will come from a national capital. After a decade it should be gradually merge.

1st step is having a joint currency, that is valid for both nations then eventually we can do away with both of our currencies and only use that one currency. 2nd step is having dual citizenships. 3rd step is the militaries of both nations having joint trainings in both nations.

The biggest obstacle I see for this is that alot of Pakistanis disagree with this merge.

Khurasaan.

@H. Dawary Something I wrote some time ago. It relates to the topic so I shared it here.

It is originally from my thread here: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/hist...d-its-people-rarely-part-of-india-ivc.598015/

Khurusan would be a fitting name, especially since the Prophet (SAW) predicted that black flags would emerge from "Khurusan".

 

[MayaBazar]

India's is to restore its past former Hindu glory...

No. We do not have any such desires or goals.

 

[H. Dawary]

No. We do not have any such desires or goals.

Akhand Bharat?

 

[Rusty]

I think afghan led govt and power circles should hold referendum if they want to merge. But for at least 1 decade it should be a union which would be autonomous and do its own things except military(which would be under 1 command having Afghan regiment) , currency and foreign affairs which will come from a national capital. After a decade it should be gradually merge.

I don't think this is a good Idea for a few reason
1. A lot of the Afghan population hates us, so how can you be a union with a country that hates you?

2. They have been through the trauma of war for the past 40 years. It is not easy to take a nation that has been through war and transition them into a normal society.
If we merged, the responsibility to rehabilitate them would be ours. I don't think we have that ability yet.

Maybe 50 years in the future when the country is back on its feet we can think about it. But for now, a merger will only be a burden on Pakistan and Pakistan will be blamed for everything bad that happens during that merger.

 

[MayaBazar]

Akhand Bharat?

There is only one stated desire and goal. That is to take back AJK & GB from Pakistan.

This is the only goal that is approved as an Indian state policy.

Rest of the things that you may hear or read are click bait gossip material posted by random people on internet to drive traffic to their websites or youtube channels.

 

[Enigma SIG]

There is only one stated desire and goal. That is to take back AJK & GB from Pakistan.

This is the only goal that is approved as an Indian state policy.

Rest of the things that you may hear or read are click bait gossip material posted by random people on internet to drive traffic to their websites or youtube channels.

Yawn. Neither Pakistan or India can afford military operations either in GB/AJK or IOK/Jammu.
What we can do develop a game where we can play out our fantasies in multiplayer modes.