How much is it his own making: Imran Khan Down Fall?

[truthseeker2010]

His was a new dimension, a new voice, and a vision, and he struggled ardently for 17 years to get major triumph in 2013 elections forming KPK government and second largest in NA.
In 2018 he again won KPK, formed Punjab and federal governments with difficult compromises.
First year was spent to know how to govern. He performed well in atrocious conditions of COVID-19 pandemic and resurrected stagnant economy. All this time PMIK outsourced lots of political debt to now so-called NEUTRALS who got more and more control.

IK says he knew about conspiracies for about an year, yet he did not ACT!

Conspiracies CLIMAXED in March-April. He remained undecisive. General Bajwa who was actively shuffling political cards after IK resisted DG ISI appointment loathefully bared his real face during Islamabad Security Dialogue when he flagrantly opposed civil government declared policy on Russia-Ukraine crisis. It was the time IK should have shown mettle and fired double faced General Bajwa.
In coming few weeks Bajwa blockaded few remaining options and gave final order to attack.
IK resisted, but still could not declassify the cipher due to undecisiveness. Courts convened midnight on April 9th, 2022.
IK legal team could not present a forceful case, did not present the cipher and chose to send the cipher separately later rather as an evidence and in its full form.

In the battle of power, weakness and undecisiveness are self inflicted blows while the enemy is a trained ruthless puppet master who uses cold hearted calculation of an assassin to drive the final blow, one is only left to lament.

His two biggest mistakes forming coalition gov (greed for power) and extension of Gen Bajwa (for continuity of power)

 

[blain2]

Let's tear it down first because as obvious from the last 75 years it isn't working out with business as usual.

I hope PA doesn't keep throwing people in the meat grinder because of the inability to think out of the box.

Easy to say that because you don't realize what "tear it down" means just like those who call for "inquilaab" in a knee-jerk manner. "Tear it down" is Libya and Iraq of today! There is nothing good coming from it. What makes more sense for Pakistan is incremental betterment. There is no quick, easy fix just like there is no "one" leader that will be the panacea for Pakistan.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

His two biggest mistakes forming coalition gov (greed for power) and extension of b***** (for continuity of power)

No point blaming others he himself was corrupt/greedy for power.

 

[Pakistani E]

We may not like this but it is the truth. Noone forced PTI to make coalition with Mqm,Bap, Pmlq and Independents. I remember many members were not happy with lotas joining Pti because we knew they will backstab, same with mqm and others. PTI still did it for the kursi and these same people then left the coalition, under pressure or not. In AJK assembly its exactly the same, so many ex ppp, pmln, electables are in PTI.

I do could see the differences between military and IK though, and once they took the blessing away Pti crumbled.

Thank you, now if only Imran Khan can understand this as well. There's no using waving suspicious looking papers around in the air when he himself paved the way for his own downfall.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Easy to say that because you don't realize what "tear it down" means just like those who call for "inquilaab" in a knee-jerk manner. "Tear it down" is Libya and Iraq of today! There is nothing good coming from it. What makes more sense for Pakistan is incremental betterment. There is no quick, easy fix just like there is no "one" leader that will be the panacea for Pakistan.

Drawing a wrong analogy there with the Libya and Iraq reference, I'll leave it to someone with deeper insights to explain the fallacy in that argument.

You can't build a house on a weak crumbling structure. Incremental betterment only works if the base is strong. There's only so much refactoring you can do to a code before realizing that the existing sub architecture was made by monkeys scratching their butts.

In Pakistans case the structure has been fully compromised to an extent that building on top of it only delays the inevitable: a loud thundering collapse with reverberations to be heard light years away.

Also there's no narrative that says that IK is some sort of a magical pill that will solve every problem. Pakistan needs a lot of leaders to take it forward.

Leaders, not criminals. That leaves out Sharifs Zardaris and the whole repugnant PDM lot. They have no place in Pakistans future.

 

[imadul]

Son,

It is the Will of Allah that the israelis have taken over the region---( in your mind, you are having a hard time accepting that Allah has rejected The Muslims and made the jews succeed over the ).

Are you forgetting that nothing happens without the will of Allah.

Kashmir has nothing to do with Israel.

Palestinians have chosen to live in situation they are in.

They had many options and yet they failed at every step.

Dear @MastanKhan ,
It is not Allah's will. But, yes, Allah's promise is not unconditional.

When Allah made a covenant with Ibrahim to make him Imam over people, he asked what about my progeny?

And of my seed?' He said 'My covenant shall not reach the evildoers.'
Albaqra 249.

So what covenant Israelite fulfilled that they get Jerusalem? Nothing
Muslims fell short so they are pushed around. Once they will reform, conditions will start changing.

It is not very long Muslims ruled most of civilized world. About 300 years ago, and they got complacent and colonized.
Karen Armstrong said, "We did not hear any good news from Muslims for 1200 years".
Don't remember the quote exactly.

Qazi Asad Ben Furat Controlled Sicily from his armada off the coast for six months and collected taxes.

When Daniel asked the angel when shall be the end of the abomination in the Book of Daniel
Angel replied, "2300 days, The Rites of the "Sanctuary" Shall be Restored."

 

[Enigma SIG]

His two biggest mistakes forming coalition gov (greed for power) and extension of b***** (for continuity of power)

How have you come to the conclusion that forming gov was for the reasons mentioned above in brackets?

Spare us the dishonest subjective discourse.

 

[Enigma SIG]

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Reality hitting a bit too close to home here.

 

[truthseeker2010]

No point blaming others he himself was corrupt/greedy for power.

IK isn't the only one wrong, was bajwa not hungry for continuation of his tenure?

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

IK isn't the only one wrong, was bajwa not hungry for continuation of his tenure?

The point is IK is trying to take the moral high ground at the expense of Pakistan when he is as corrupt/greedy as the others.

 

[truthseeker2010]

The point is IK is trying to take the moral high ground at the expense of Pakistan when he is as corrupt/greedy as the others.

He is a politican, it's the system which is actually costing pakistan.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

He is a politican, it's the system which is actually costing pakistan.

I do not have an issue with he playing politics but it should not have been at the expense of our nation.

His policies were consistently inconsistent.

He shared CPEC details with IMF but could not get the IMF loan.

He created an OIC alliance with Turkiye & Malaysia then made Pakistan play chauffeur to Saudi Arabia.

He made noises on Kashmir but did not take any action.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

IK lost their confidence in November due to the DG ISI appointment controversy

So, what your saying is all the disaster and mayhem we have seen in the last 3 months was over appointment of a grade 22 officer? The PM apparently has no right to apply his choice on the matter? What the fcuk?

Over this Gen Bajwa threw infantile tantrum and proceeded to wreak havoc. I mean this makes this guy look like a over grown ape mated with a clown.

And by the way the present PM does not have a majority either but is sat on top of a even more convoluted contraption no dioubt rigged by the army.

I guess Shabaz can rape the country dry and buy more of London as long as he does not make choices over DG appointment. For fcuks sakes Bajwa would allow the entirre country bled white by these chors as long as his nobody pisses on his turf which mostly is about housing development. It's not like they have won any war or are going to win any war anytime soon,

I now know why Pakistan is in miserable state it is in where even that former swamp colony has overataken us - Bangladesh. The jarring reality is now out. Pakistan has been ruled for half of it's life by the army and the other half by civilans spawned, rigged by the army.

Thus in short the army has been the real driver of Pakistan's destiny for 70 years and look at the mess the country is in. That is the real take away from this.

 

[blain2]

Drawing a wrong analogy there with the Libya and Iraq reference, I'll leave it to someone with deeper insights to explain the fallacy in that argument.

You can't build a house on a weak crumbling structure. Incremental betterment only works if the base is strong. There's only so much refactoring you can do to a code before realizing that the existing sub architecture was made by monkeys scratching their butts.

In Pakistans case the structure has been fully compromised to an extent that building on top of it only delays the inevitable: a loud thundering collapse with reverberations to be heard light years away.

Also there's no narrative that says that IK is some sort of a magical pill that will solve every problem. Pakistan needs a lot of leaders to take it forward.

Leaders, not criminals. That leaves out Sharifs Zardaris and the whole repugnant PDM lot. They have no place in Pakistans future.

What you suggest does not happen in real world. French revolution was not an overnight fixing of everything. There are more examples of countries reforming themselves iteratively instead of massive bloodshed to bring about a change. So let's get off this anarchic thinking.

I drew a parallel to Libya and Iraq for the dysfunction out of which they are now having to create a semblance of a working country. I am not comparing the triggers between those countries and Pakistan. if we lose our establishment (military, judiciary, bureaucracy) we are going back many decades and may end up losing a lot more of what is today's Pakistan.

So these overly dramatic statements like "You can't build a house on a weak crumbling structure" are better suited for movies and dramas. The oft-quoted State of Madina was a hard slog of work over decades to get it to a point where it was able to offer its residents relative justice, equality etc. Pakistan is 70+ years old, there are many countries (first world) that have taken 2, 3 and even 4 centuries to get to where they are. I am not suggesting we go slow, but tearing it down to the ground is not an option.

Pakistan is as resilient as it always has been. It is the narrative of one political party that is trying to undo this resiliency by attacking all other pillars of the state for their political ends. Everyone has gripes, including the establishment, but we need to learn to play within the rules set. If you get booted out for losing parliamentary majority, you come back with a more resounding mandate. In the meantime, don't burn everything down just because it did not go your way.

...and the whole repugnant PDM lot. They have no place in Pakistans future.

Not your place to say that. They get votes just the same as IK. They have their supporters. Who are you to sit in judgement against everyone else? I say this not because I have any love for these people, but this holier than thou, "otherization" of fellow Pakistanis is poison.

 

[Norwegian]

He failed to get IMF loan in 3.5 years.

Bughaz Imranis are pathological liars