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How India played hardball with China

NEW DELHI: After initial diffidence and a sense of confusion, India had to play diplomatic hardball to get China to withdraw its troops from Depsang Bulge in eastern Ladakh, which officials claimed was secured without giving any concessions to China, even though New Delhi has agreed to bring down a structure that was erected as "retaliation" to the Chinese incursion.

After the withdrawal, Indian and Chinese officials are expected to meet in the next few days under the rubric of the working mechanism to work out a new set of operating procedures along the 4,057-km Line of Actual Control (LAC). "We will discuss peace and tranquillity on the LAC," said officials.

As flag meetings failed to resolve the face-off which happened after Chinese troops pitched tents in the area, the government decided to abandon a soft approach to China, said officials. In Beijing, Indian ambassador S Jaishankar impressed on the Chinese that not only was India ready to cancel the visit of foreign minister Salman Khurshid to Beijing, it was also willing to cancel the visit of the Chinese premier Li Keqiang to New Delhi on May 20.

The political initiative to take a harder stand was led by defence minister AK Antony, while foreign secretary Ranjan Mathai worked with the army chief to ensure that the Chinese understood that India was ready to escalate matters, if necsaary. In the cabinet meetings, it was Antony's voice that carried the government opinion. Both PM and foreign minister Salman Khurshid had taken a much softer approach.

India insisted Beijing withdraw because they had violated a 2005 protocol. Within the government there were those who were worried about an escalation. However, India apparently had a precedent - in 2002, the NDA government had tackled a similar situation at Barahauti in the middle sector with a tough stand.

India, however, may be ready to agree to a Chinese demand to negotiate a new mechanism on border management. This was a demand by the PLA in response to India's border build-up. India was reluctant earlier but as a result of the standoff, negotiations on this may start, said sources. However, Antony is believed to be reluctant to go down that path.

While the high level visits are still on, the government has now lost the enthusiasm for the Chinese premier's visit. It will go through, and it is important because this is the first overseas visit of the new premier. But with the Depsang incident fresh in their minds, the Indian government will find it difficult to go the extra mile for this relationship just now.

The MEA spokesperson said on Monday that India and China have agreed to restore status quo ante along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Western Sector of the India-China boundary as it existed prior to 15 April, 2013. While the Chinese side took down their tents, the Indians retreated from the face-off position. In addition, India agreed to bring down a structure that was built on April 20 as part of the trade-off with the Chinese troops.

"There was no deal," said sources. "There is nothing that will stop our efforts to improve infrastructure on the border." The government is taking credit for getting the Chinese to withdraw within three weeks while it took about seven years to get them out during the Wangdung crisis at Sumdurong Chu in Arunachal Pradesh.

Army sources said, it would have to "open" more access routes to the table-top plateau at Depsang Bulge, which became the face-off site between rival troops at an altitude of 16,300-feet.

After the Chinese intrusion 19-km deep into Indian territory on April 15, ITBP and Army troops had to stop their patrolling of the sector on the two available routes going through the Depsang plains and leading up to the strategically-located Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO) and Karakoram Pass to the north.

The Chinese move, as earlier reported by TOI, threatened to cut off access to almost 750 sq km area in northern Ladakh since the Depsang plains are the only flat open land needed for accessibility to the region. ``We will have to slowly open more access routes to the region as well as step up coordinated patrolling with ITBP. If one access route gets blocked, then the others can be used," said an officer.

The military also thinks there will also be the need to build more forward observation posts and other infrastructure in the region, both for surveillance as well as sustaining long-range patrols. China, which itself has bolstered its military infrastructure along the LAC in a major way for well over two decades now, will obviously not be happy with it.

India's re-activation of the DBO, Fukche and Nyoma advanced landing grounds and construction of some posts along the Line of Actual Control as well as troop reinforcements in Ladakh over the last five to six years has proved to be a major irritant for China.
How India played hardball with China - The Times of India
 
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Yeah play hardball by crying when PLA intruded into your territory and then begging for withdraw in return for giving up Chumar!

India to give up Chumar post for Chinese withdrawal? - The Times of India

All that talk about "it's not 1962 anymore" turned out to be empty Indian boasting. You tried to build bunkers in Chumar but you got caught red-handed and your a$$ handed back to you by the PLA intrusion. Your Jai Hind cocky strut was nowhere to be found. The only thing left after this spanking is a tattered, soiled dream you called "India shupa powa."

What a disgusting, despicable bunch.... the only reason you Indians from all the different states even stick together as one country is so you can bully Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. If not for that reason, not only do you hate Muslims, Chinese, Buddhists and so on you also hate each other.

There's no place more barbaric on Earth -- no place with more defecation, starvation and molestation. But with your backstabbing, cowardly actions you keep begging your neighbors over and over again to pull another Timurlane, doing the whole Earth a favor.
 
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let me say the obvious: actions speak louder than words.

you can delude yourself as much as you want about grand strategies or clever diplomacy, the common public aren't moved by that....india suffers a loss of face.
 
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We may not have suffered any territorial loss but yes this entire episode sure was embarrassing. The only positives we take from it is that I hope our Govt. has woken up from slumber and now spurs up infrastructural development along the border areas and speed up training and deployment of those long awaited mountain divisions.
 
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We may not have suffered any territorial loss but yes this entire episode sure was embarrassing. The only positives we take from it is that I hope our Govt. has woken up from slumber and now spurs up infrastructural development along the border areas and speed up training and deployment of those long awaited mountain divisions.


if china wants to take actions against india whilst it still feels confident to do so (i.e. before india buys more military gear) then it makes sense to go ahead and do something meaningful....

if it doesnt do this then all thats happened is india have been given a reminder to speed up....so really not sure what china are thinking in terms of gains/losses....
 
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This is a geo political game mate, mush more complex than it appears, the timing is perfect for India. This back tracking of China will gives us enough leverage against Chinese in the up coming talks.



let me say the obvious: actions speak louder than words.

you can delude yourself as much as you want about grand strategies or clever diplomacy, the common public aren't moved by that....india suffers a loss of face.
 
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let me say the obvious: actions speak louder than words.

you can delude yourself as much as you want about grand strategies or clever diplomacy, the common public aren't moved by that....india suffers a loss of face.

To a china cheerleading pakistani, sure. To us Indians, NO. There was a disagreement and it was resolved through talks. We are perfectly pleased with the outcome, not a soldier has died on India-China border in three decades and peace was maintained. A great outcome.
 
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if china wants to take actions against india whilst it still feels confident to do so (i.e. before india buys more military gear) then it makes sense to go ahead and do something meaningful....

if it doesnt do this then all thats happened is india have been given a reminder to speed up....so really not sure what china are thinking in terms of gains/losses....

Maybe this was a show of strength to deter us from developing our border areas, they are doing the same with Japan. IMO this is not a smart strategy in the long term, they are picking fights with everyone.
 
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Maybe this was a show of strength to deter us from developing our border areas, they are doing the same with Japan. IMO this is not a smart strategy in the long term, they are picking fights with everyone.

isn't that good thing for us? it will force our spineless leaders to develop infra... speed up modernization... will help to get close with other powers and countries....
 
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let me say the obvious: actions speak louder than words.

you can delude yourself as much as you want about grand strategies or clever diplomacy, the common public aren't moved by that....india suffers a loss of face.

if china wants to take actions against india whilst it still feels confident to do so (i.e. before india buys more military gear) then it makes sense to go ahead and do something meaningful....

if it doesnt do this then all thats happened is india have been given a reminder to speed up....

We call it a wake up call, which was much needed - the present day Nehru's were on the verge of singing Hindi Chini bhai bhai again - they were the one's who got slapped, not the one's who knew chinese antics all to well.

so really not sure what china are thinking in terms of gains/losses....

That's the confusion all along - this must be the most stupidest of chinese moves ever, though they have been bungling big time picking up enemies every where....but we are thankful that the wake up call did not cost us much other than a lot of ink and a lot of phone calls.
 
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isn't that good thing for us? it will force our spineless leaders to develop infra... speed up modernization... will help to get close with other powers and countries....

Obviously, I still don't get why they withdrew, if I were them I would'nt have done so. They have only succeeded in reinforcing our long held belief that the real danger this country faces now is from East. Ladakh and AP are very vulnerable.
 
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let me say the obvious: actions speak louder than words.

you can delude yourself as much as you want about grand strategies or clever diplomacy, the common public aren't moved by that....india suffers a loss of face.

How do you explain that ?

if china wants to take actions against india whilst it still feels confident to do so (i.e. before india buys more military gear) then it makes sense to go ahead and do something meaningful....

if it doesnt do this then all thats happened is india have been given a reminder to speed up....so really not sure what china are thinking in terms of gains/losses....

The Chinese dont really want war with India. Both countries have too much to gain by peaceful co-existence so there aint happening any war.

Border skirmishes well yes!
 
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'HongWu' should change his name to 'HangYou' in shame!! :P

Diplomacy can ease tense situation wheres aggressive posturing can make things roll out of control. Good job, both India and China
 
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To a china cheerleading pakistani, sure. To us Indians, NO. There was a disagreement and it was resolved through talks. We are perfectly pleased with the outcome, not a soldier has died on India-China border in three decades and peace was maintained. A great outcome.


a china cheerleading pakistani? lol, whatever keeps you happy.

i am not sure where you get the authority to speak of all indians, but i am just surveying public opinion within india (and the media) itself and you can clearly tell the public sentiment is not stirred by diplomacy with such an infringement, they wanted a firm response, not a cute twist on reality, which is what you offer above.

....but as i said earlier...i am not sure the chinese calculation here and i would be interested to learn more, at least with kargil it was clear what PA was trying to do, so india will probably not materially lose out here except for public opinion and its image.

the IA will probably gain in terms of china giving their worries more focus and publicity too...
 
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