How India Lost Afghanistan

[Joeblow]

Any previous such instances to substantiate ur claim/statement

Where he's from, proof is a four letter word. I think they spell it with only one O

 

[Armstrong]

Good for you then.. But still there is a large section who believes in Good Taliban in Afghanistan is beneficial for Pakistan..

There will always be a certain section that doesn't conform to a particular view point; I'm sure there is a certain section in India who still considers the LTTE to be in the right.

Or in the context of Afghanistan, that supporting the Northern Alliance with their own anything but unblemished record, was the right thing to do.

 

[My-Analogous]

what you are saying is self contradictory.

Pakistan is giving military help ? no. US/NATO/India is giving military help. Cooperation and few bits of training here and there doesn't amount to military help.

In fact, Pakistan has been pissing off Afghanistan by putting up a wall and a trench in the border Afghanistan doesn't recognise. Do you think that will bring peace ? no it will create a perpetual border conflict. period.

Peace can only come through development of resources and human resources. that requires investment. So, Investment IS the key to peace in Afghanistan. And Pakistan has nothing to contribute there, not with money, not with material, not with technical know how.

There is a reason I said this game is not over yet. In fact, it is entering phase II.

Where is that come from? Pakistan and Afghanistan don't have any dispute on border. We all know our limits and that is why Pakistan was defending her border during afghan Soviet war.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Dunya NEWS is reporting that India spy agency (RAW) will do self attack just like Mumbai 26/11 and Blame Pakistan and ISI for it.. India don't like the growing friendship between Pakistan and Afghanistan... Dunya NEWS was reporting this in the headlines of 12 AM

 

[Glitcher]

Indians plz if all is well then leave this thread and continue dreaming because finally Afghan government wants to cooperate with Pakistan and is looking for peaceful neighborhood so plz now continue with your wet dreams let us live in reality

 

[Glitcher]

Dunya NEWS is reporting that India spy agency (RAW) will do self attack just like Mumbai 26/11 and Blame Pakistan and ISI for it.. India don't like the growing friendship between Pakistan and Afghanistan... Dunya NEWS was reporting this in the headlines of 12 AM

I have watched that news also any thread on it Bro if you can provide I'll be thankful to you thanks in advance

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I'm not supportive of boots on ground until the Afghan people, truly represented, invite us. Else, we'll just make more of a mess there. I think till then we should remain in training the officers and helping the people.

Indians plz if all is well then leave this thread and continue dreaming because finally Afghan government wants to cooperate with Pakistan and is looking for peaceful neighborhood so plz now continue with your wet dreams let us live in reality

Dude, afghan govt always wanted cooperation with you.. yur military wanted to keep them under the heels for strategic depth.

 

[Hiptullha]

Dude, afghan govt always wanted cooperation with you.. yur military wanted to keep them under the heels for strategic depth.

Which is why for almost 20 years, they kept whining about Pakhtunistan.

 

[Hindustani78]

Afghanistan is actively working with India be it security, economy,education and infrastructure etc.


Afghan Army Chief General Sher Mohammad Karimi is on official visit to India and 44 Afghan officers have being trained in India.

Afghan Army Chief General Sher Mohammad Karimi reviewed the parade which was held on Drill Square in front of the historic Chetwood building amidst tight security.

64 Foreign Gentleman Cadets also graduated from the academy, with 44 cadets from Afghanistan, 12 from Tajikistan, two from Nepal, one from Kazakhstan, three from Mauritius and two from Maldives.
Indian Army gets 601 new officers after passing-out parade : India, News - India Today

 

[Muhammad Omar]

I have watched that news also any thread on it Bro if you can provide I'll be thankful to you thanks in advance

RAW Plans to Malign Pakistan in International Community

here you go

 

[Asian.Century]

India lost in Afghan endgame

By Kanwal Sibal - Issue Courtesy: Mail Today |

The situation in Afghanistan is full of uncertainties and the prospects of India's neighbourhood becoming even more difficult for us are real. We have little control over the situation in Afghanistan, however popular we may be with its government and people. We have invested considerable political and financial capital in Afghanistan for protecting our longer term interests in the region, but adequate returns are not guaranteed.

Afghanistan has been a conflict zone for over three decades now. To our misfortune it became a cold war battleground between the Soviet Union and the US, with the result that both an extremist version of Islam and Pakistan became powerful actors in shaping developments there under the US lead. Until then, Pakistan was not a dominant factor in Afghanistan internally and externally. Later, as US attention moved towards Iraq, Pakistan saw an opportunity to control Afghanistan strategically by using Islamic fanaticism embodied by the Taliban as a tool.

Hare & Hounds

The deliberate Islamisation of Pakistan by Zia-ul-Haq prepared a favourable ground for the creation of the Taliban under Benazir Bhutto;s civilian government. The nurturing of extremist religious groups by the Pakistan military for terrorist attacks against India was another facet of the growing Islamization of Pakistan's society and the practical use of these forces for political ends, as in Afghanistan;s case.

Religious fanatics in our region gained further force with Al Qaida;s entry on the back of the Taliban. These forces overplayed their hand in attacking the US on September 11, inviting an American military riposte that ousted the Taliban from power. That Osama Laden got refuge in Pakistan for many years in different places points to the existence of an effective network of Islamist cells in Pakistan, which raises concerns for the future. When, with Taliban''s ouster, US attention turned towards Iraq for the second time, Pakistan once again saw an opportunity to regain its lost ground in Afghanistan through the Taliban groups it continued sheltering on its territory.

With Taliban groups targeting NATO forces from safe-havens in Pakistan, US pressure on Pakistan to control these groups was inevitable. This exposed the inherent contradiction in Pakistans posture on religious extremism and terrorism, with the Pakistan state and society, at one level, nurturing these forces, while, at another level, acting against them under external constraint. This policy of running with the hare and hunting with the hound has exposed Pakistan to accusations of duplicity and double-faced policies by its western supporters, a discovery India made years earlier. But this awakening has not brought about any drastic change in the West;s handling either of Pakistan per se or its destabilizing ambitions in Afghanistan.

The Third Time

The irony from India's point of view is that having fortified the virus of Islamism in the region and then having combated it at great human, financial and military cost, the US and the West are once again reaching out to the same forces, this time not to defeat a cold war rival but to cover up their own retreat with a veneer of semi-success. The accommodation of the Taliban in the mid-1990s was for immediate economic allurements, with no concern that such obscurantist forces would spread terror to the US. The US overlooked the problematic aspects of Pakistan's conduct because of tepid India-US relations. Pakistan was a useful balancing factor.

Today India and the US have a strategic partnership. The US has a grand vision of linking Central Asia and South Asia through a new silk road, with energy projects like TAPI as a centre-piece. It seems to want to repeat its previous mis-reading of Taliban"s Islamic fanaticism by believing that its commitment to break links with Al Qaida would protect the US from future terrorist attacks. This will be the third time that the US will take Afghanistan off its radar screen, benefiting once again the Taliban with its religious ideology and Pakistan with its strategic ambitions while compromising India’s interests despite the so-called transformation of India-US ties.

In a hard place

India will be hard put to secure its interests in Afghanistan in the conditions under which the US intends to withdraw. The Afghan security forces may be able to prevent an outright Taliban military victory, but providing security all over the country against Taliban depredations would be outside their capacity, given their present ability to stage terrorist attacks even in highly protected areas such as Kabul. Sending more security personnel to protect our projects is not a solution.

Though we have a strategic partnership agreement with Afghanistan that provides also for arms support, even if we were to step up our training assistance considerably and provide some combat equipment, it would not substitute for the Afghan army;s lack of air support, heavy weaponry and intelligence capability. Pakistan is determined to neutralize India;s influence in Afghanistan, as the attack on our Jalalabad consulate indicates unfortunately. It is allergic to the idea of an India-friendly Afghan government. It finds it intolerable that we train Afghan military officers in India when their offers to provide such training are being rebuffed.

Nawaz Sharif has begun voicing the charge that India is behind some disturbances in Pakistan.

We can help reduce the threats to Afghanistan;s internal stability in consultation with Iran, Russia and the Central Asian states. China cannot be relied upon because in any scenario it will be with Pakistan and leverage its influence with the Taliban to protect Chinese interests. Pakistan is central to China;s strategy to economically exploit Afghanistan and link it and neighbouring Central Asian states to its upgraded Karakoram highway connected to Gwadar. All in all, our stakes in Afghanistan are high but our means to protect them insufficient and uncertain.

India lost in Afghan endgame » Indian Defence Review

Source: India lost in Afghan endgame.

 

[pakistani342]

India lost in Afghan endgame

By Kanwal Sibal - Issue Courtesy: Mail Today |

The situation in Afghanistan is full of uncertainties and the prospects of India's neighbourhood becoming even more difficult for us are real. We have little control over the situation in Afghanistan, however popular we may be with its government and people. We have invested considerable political and financial capital in Afghanistan for protecting our longer term interests in the region, but adequate returns are not guaranteed.

Afghanistan has been a conflict zone for over three decades now. To our misfortune it became a cold war battleground between the Soviet Union and the US, with the result that both an extremist version of Islam and Pakistan became powerful actors in shaping developments there under the US lead. Until then, Pakistan was not a dominant factor in Afghanistan internally and externally. Later, as US attention moved towards Iraq, Pakistan saw an opportunity to control Afghanistan strategically by using Islamic fanaticism embodied by the Taliban as a tool.

Hare & Hounds

The deliberate Islamisation of Pakistan by Zia-ul-Haq prepared a favourable ground for the creation of the Taliban under Benazir Bhutto;s civilian government. The nurturing of extremist religious groups by the Pakistan military for terrorist attacks against India was another facet of the growing Islamization of Pakistan's society and the practical use of these forces for political ends, as in Afghanistan;s case.

Religious fanatics in our region gained further force with Al Qaida;s entry on the back of the Taliban. These forces overplayed their hand in attacking the US on September 11, inviting an American military riposte that ousted the Taliban from power. That Osama Laden got refuge in Pakistan for many years in different places points to the existence of an effective network of Islamist cells in Pakistan, which raises concerns for the future. When, with Taliban''s ouster, US attention turned towards Iraq for the second time, Pakistan once again saw an opportunity to regain its lost ground in Afghanistan through the Taliban groups it continued sheltering on its territory.

With Taliban groups targeting NATO forces from safe-havens in Pakistan, US pressure on Pakistan to control these groups was inevitable. This exposed the inherent contradiction in Pakistans posture on religious extremism and terrorism, with the Pakistan state and society, at one level, nurturing these forces, while, at another level, acting against them under external constraint. This policy of running with the hare and hunting with the hound has exposed Pakistan to accusations of duplicity and double-faced policies by its western supporters, a discovery India made years earlier. But this awakening has not brought about any drastic change in the West;s handling either of Pakistan per se or its destabilizing ambitions in Afghanistan.

The Third Time

The irony from India's point of view is that having fortified the virus of Islamism in the region and then having combated it at great human, financial and military cost, the US and the West are once again reaching out to the same forces, this time not to defeat a cold war rival but to cover up their own retreat with a veneer of semi-success. The accommodation of the Taliban in the mid-1990s was for immediate economic allurements, with no concern that such obscurantist forces would spread terror to the US. The US overlooked the problematic aspects of Pakistan's conduct because of tepid India-US relations. Pakistan was a useful balancing factor.

Today India and the US have a strategic partnership. The US has a grand vision of linking Central Asia and South Asia through a new silk road, with energy projects like TAPI as a centre-piece. It seems to want to repeat its previous mis-reading of Taliban"s Islamic fanaticism by believing that its commitment to break links with Al Qaida would protect the US from future terrorist attacks. This will be the third time that the US will take Afghanistan off its radar screen, benefiting once again the Taliban with its religious ideology and Pakistan with its strategic ambitions while compromising India’s interests despite the so-called transformation of India-US ties.

In a hard place

India will be hard put to secure its interests in Afghanistan in the conditions under which the US intends to withdraw. The Afghan security forces may be able to prevent an outright Taliban military victory, but providing security all over the country against Taliban depredations would be outside their capacity, given their present ability to stage terrorist attacks even in highly protected areas such as Kabul. Sending more security personnel to protect our projects is not a solution.

Though we have a strategic partnership agreement with Afghanistan that provides also for arms support, even if we were to step up our training assistance considerably and provide some combat equipment, it would not substitute for the Afghan army;s lack of air support, heavy weaponry and intelligence capability. Pakistan is determined to neutralize India;s influence in Afghanistan, as the attack on our Jalalabad consulate indicates unfortunately. It is allergic to the idea of an India-friendly Afghan government. It finds it intolerable that we train Afghan military officers in India when their offers to provide such training are being rebuffed.

Nawaz Sharif has begun voicing the charge that India is behind some disturbances in Pakistan.

We can help reduce the threats to Afghanistan;s internal stability in consultation with Iran, Russia and the Central Asian states. China cannot be relied upon because in any scenario it will be with Pakistan and leverage its influence with the Taliban to protect Chinese interests. Pakistan is central to China;s strategy to economically exploit Afghanistan and link it and neighbouring Central Asian states to its upgraded Karakoram highway connected to Gwadar. All in all, our stakes in Afghanistan are high but our means to protect them insufficient and uncertain.

India lost in Afghan endgame » Indian Defence Review

Source: India lost in Afghan endgame.

good find !

 

[bdslph]

I am not sure but India did able to make Afghanistan to Anti Pakistan
and they have a very warm and close relationship

India is doing same thing India did with BD in 71

no offense to any one

 

[Asian.Century]

India Out: Iran, Pakistan, Russia and China join hands for Afghan Future. India lost it.

Pakistan, China, Russia and Iran join hands for Afghan truce

By kamran yousaf
May.19,2020

All sides in Afghanistan urged to take decisive action against al Qaeda, Da'ish, ETIM, TTP and other terror networks

ISLAMABAD : Pakistan, China, Iran and Russia on Tuesday urged all sides in Afghanistan to declare a “comprehensive ceasefire throughout the war-torn country” as they welcomed the recent power-sharing agreement between President Ashraf Ghani and Dr Abdullah Abdullah.

The special representatives of these four countries held a virtual conference to discuss the current situation in Afghanistan and ongoing efforts seeking an end to the lingering unrest in the country.

Their meeting came against the backdrop of recent power-sharing deal in Afghanistan, ending the months-long deadlock between Ghani and Abdullah and also the recent spike in violence particularly the horrific terrorist attack targetting a maternity hospital in Kabul.

A joint statement issued simultaneously by Islamabad, Beijing, Tehran and Moscow voiced serious concerns over the terrorism threat existing in Afghanistan.

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The statement said the quartet supported the initiative of the UN Secretary General António Guterres for a universal ceasefire and called for a simultaneous declaration of a comprehensive ceasefire throughout Afghanistan as agreed among parties to the conflict.

Concerned with the serious terrorism threat existing in Afghanistan, they urged all sides in Afghanistan to take decisive action against al Qaeda, ISIL, ETIM, TTP and other international terrorist organisations operating against regional countries, and to completely eradicate the production and trafficking of narcotics in the country.

Pakistan, China, Russia and Iran have shared common views on Afghanistan particularly the threat posed by groups such as Da’ish to these respective countries.

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Importantly, these four countries have maintained contacts with the Afghan Taliban as they view the insurgent group to stop the rise of Da’ish in Afghanistan and beyond.

It was because of this reason these countries favoured a peace deal between the Taliban and the US, allowing orderly withdrawal of foreign forces from the region.

“Pay close attention to the follow-up developments resulting in exit of foreign troops from Afghanistan, call on foreign troops to withdraw in an orderly and responsible way so that the situation in Afghanistan will experience a steady transition,” the joint statement read.

The joint statement reiterated their respect for the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Afghanistan, and the decision of its people on their future and development path.

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They welcomed the agreement between two main political leaders and hoped that this important event will expedite the start of Intra-Afghan negotiations.

They also supported the “Afghan-led, Afghan-owned” peace and reconciliation process, believed that the inclusive Intra-Afghan negotiations are the only way to realise the Afghan national reconciliation, leading to prompt end of the prolonged conflict.

The joint statement called on all Afghan ethnic groups and parties, including the Taliban to act upon the opportunities preparing the situation to launch the Intra-Afghan negotiations as soon as possible.

They supported the release of prisoners and detainees held by all parties to the conflict in Afghanistan, a key phase of the peace process leading to the intra-Afghan dialogue.

Reaffirm their support to Afghanistan to overcome the effects of the Covid-19 pandemic, they welcomed the international community to continue providing humanitarian assistance to Afghanistan.

“Underscore that repatriation and reintegration of Afghan refugees should be part of any peace and reconciliation process, call upon the international community to support time-bound return of Afghan refugees with dignity and honour.”

The joint statement agreed to maintain the contact on the Afghanistan issue, and work together to advance the Afghan peace reconciliation and reconstruction process.