How general Bajwa was abusing his position

[DESERT FIGHTER]

He can't be Gaddar, because he is rich and only those who offer Fajr ki Namaz gets rich and successful, Awam are bhooki nangi and gareeb because they don't offer Fajr ki namaz aka Ghaddar.

Nobody likes bajwa, infact ill agree that he is perhaps worse than gen niazi.

But are pti fanboys going to push the reality under the carpet?

Who had made bajwa his abbu? Gave him extension? Civil military leadership on 1 page k naray?

You guys have selective amensia.

From jahangir to aleem khan, from wifes former husband to farah gogi.

Indeed IK himself is the biggest idiot out there.

About the article you shared

How we know what we said in this article is true? Javed Chaudhry has been writing articles to defend Bajwa recently and this looks like another one in the same context

What makes you think that content of this article is true and not propaganda by Bajwa?

Nobody can defend bajwa, but can pti fanboys defend Im the dim?
Who was the beneficiary of it all?

 

[Malik Alpha]

I met a serving high ranking officer during my visit to Pak and realized its not only us civilians who hate him. His words were 'Isne jo awam ka bera ghark kia wo kia par jo army ko nuksan pohchaya hai wo kahin ziada hai'

I wonder how can a rat like him became our army cheif in the first place.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Khan revealed, last time he met with bajwa in august 2022 , i was surprised when he started to tell me that we have dozens of audio videos and file record of many of your MNAs and MPAs , when i told him that if this is your job for which nation is paying you he replied me are you not play boy ? I replied yes i was play boy once i never ever claimed that im a angle….BC randi ka buchay blackmailers haram zady , people will never ever trust these kameenas again

Like why do people care if IK WAS a playboy? People change, it is not your place to judge them.
Even if he was; tum ne apni baji ka rishta dena tha use madarchor k bachay.

 

[Goritoes]

Nobody likes bajwa, infact ill agree that he is perhaps worse than gen niazi.

But are pti fanboys going to push the reality under the carpet?

Who had made bajwa his abbu? Gave him extension? Civil military leadership on 1 page k naray?

You guys have selective amensia.

From jahangir to aleem khan, from wifes former husband to farah gogi.

Indeed IK himself is the biggest idiot out there.

You need to take that with PTI Fanboys my friend, I am not PTI fan... Not at all

 

[Imran Khan]

Nobody likes bajwa, infact ill agree that he is perhaps worse than gen niazi.

But are pti fanboys going to push the reality under the carpet?

Who had made bajwa his abbu? Gave him extension? Civil military leadership on 1 page k naray?

You guys have selective amensia.

From jahangir to aleem khan, from wifes former husband to farah gogi.

Indeed IK himself is the biggest idiot out there.


Nobody can defend bajwa, but can pti fanboys defend Im the dim?
Who was the beneficiary of it all?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Me watchin at all collapse :

 

[sparten]

Army boys should stop trying to defend Bajwa- no point in trying to do this- he was a horrible chief.

The establishment has totally lost its marbles in the last eight months. Doing the indefensible. NRO 2.0 / assassinating Arshad Sharif / attempted assassination of IK / bringing back Dar and shafting Miftah. The question is : what have they done right in the last eight months?

We haven’t accidentally nuked Mauritania.

 

[R Wing]

Its not even the rants. It is the outright personal, abusive nonsense (Case in point PradoTLC's despicable post above) that has rendered this forum a political soapbox for PTI from which they can attack, abuse and pontificate to anyone disagreeing with them.

Those that have contrarian views from the PTI are NOT attacking you personally here. Keep your posts civil.

There is a time and place that calls for the lack of civility --- for example, in the face of oppression and tyranny, no matter how subtle (or not) it may be.

Specifics have ceased to matter. Anybody who cares for Pakistan, PTI supporter or not, cannot and will not stand for an institution that is de facto above the law, can engineer political outcomes, has a vast intelligence network (perhaps skilled in CT but also in pornographic exploitation) without any oversight, substantial business interests, and has still failed to deliver our nat sec objectives well.

On the one hand, you can have politicians (and every other civilian, regardless of rank or institutional affiliation) dragged through courts, disqualified, jailed, exiled, and even hanged. On the other, you can't even nominate a third rate 2-star in an FIR (nomination in an FIR does not require proof before the nomination). This dissonance is getting too much.

We have to ask ourselves, somewhere, sometime, where the ultimate responsibility lies: in the puppeteers or in their replaceable puppets? I would argue it lies in the former, no matter how vile and incompetent the latter may be. In other words, regardless of what the constitution says, an elected leader cannot change the COAS (for example, prematurely) without risking a goddamn coup or covert sabotage of his/her government. That's absurd!

Bajwa is a traitor, yet the man who called him out for it was harassed, sexually exploited, and filmed in compromising ways while the fat general enjoys state benefits.

When a nation protects the treacherous and attacks truth-tellers (regardless of your opinion about their character flaws), it's time for some serious introspection.

These fundamental facts don't change regardless of the sacrifices of our frontline troops, the necessity of a strong military capability, the populism of the politicians, or any other facet of Pakistani public life. So, we should abandon the whataboutism, and focus on the above.

 

[sparten]

In my 38 soon to be 39 years of life, I have always felt free to give my opinion. Not since April.
I am afraid @blain2 and the rest are missing the damage this is doing to our body politic and national discourse. Imran Khan is 70. he will be gone in a few years whatever happens. But unless the establishment corrects itself it faces a long term and persisting collapse of grassroots support. Which will far outlast Imran.

Like it or not, but Imran Khan is all that stands between Manzoor Pashteen and his ilk dominating the Pashtun belt. And when that happens, the establishment will not be able to count on support from t a large majority of the country. A state of affairs which will make the insurgency we just won look like a joke.

 

[Fasbre2]

In my 38 soon to be 39 years of life, I have always felt free to give my opinion. Not since April.
I am afraid @blain2 and the rest are missing the damage this is doing to our body politic and national discourse. Imran Khan is 70. he will be gone in a few years whatever happens. But unless the establishment corrects itself it faces a long term and persisting collapse of grassroots support. Which will far outlast Imran.

Like it or not, but Imran Khan is all that stands between Manzoor Pashteen and his ilk dominating the Pashtun belt. And when that happens, the establishment will not be able to count on support from t a large majority of the country. A state of affairs which will make the insurgency we just won look like a joke.

If junior officers or upright generals do not do an internal coup in the army and stop the unfettered support of the thieving pdm lot, the country will not see its 80 th year of creation…

KPK people are getting disenfranchised with the centre and army, But the hatred for army high command and pdm crooks, coupled with gross violation of civil liberties and fear will lead to the rise of an armed anti establishment faction soon.. The tinder is there ready and primed, the spark is all that is required..
Elections and a populist government is the only way out, coupled with military related legislation and full accountability of the military, internal intelligence/security agencies, judiciary and media (fake news)..

 

[Olympus81]

The fundamental question is this.

Whether we want to see Pakistan being ‘steered’ by the Establishment (going by history, has achieved disastrous results) or do we want the Establishment subservient to the constitution of Pakistan.

You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure out the status quo is not sustainable. The longer this persists, the more fractured our society will become.

 

[sparten]

If junior officers or upright generals do not do an internal coup in the army and stop the unfettered support of the thieving pdm lot, the country will not see its 80 th year of creation…

KPK people are getting disenfranchised with the centre and army, But the hatred for army high command and pdm crooks, coupled with gross violation of civil liberties and fear will lead to the rise of an armed anti establishment faction soon.. The tinder is there ready and primed, the spark is all that is required..
Elections and a populist government is the only way out, coupled with military related legislation and full accountability of the military, internal intelligence/security agencies, judiciary and media (fake news)..

I can’t support and hope we never see such a breakdown in command and discipline.

The fundamental question is this.

Whether we want to see Pakistan being ‘steered’ by the Establishment (going by history, has achieved disastrous results) or do we want the Establishment subservient to the constitution of Pakistan.

You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure out the status quo is not sustainable. The longer this persists, the more fractured our society will become.

I have no problem with the establishment having a political role (and as aside can we stop using terms like “supremacy” and “subservient “ they are unhelpful). Indeed in any nation state the employment and use of military power is an inherently political matter.

What I oppose is politicking. The establishment engineering to get its favourites in power.

 

[villageidiot]

Another great example of deflection. Keep on keeping on...

Passing the buck comes easy to us.

I literally just countered your faulty logic with a bit of sarcasm. That's all. Where is the deflection in that?
You were implying it's PTIs' fault for now putting a check on the Pakistani establishment's power, like seriously?

No, being abusive on a forum and attacking others who don't disagree with you with insults is none of the above. Stick to standards of decency that you would maintain with people as if you were talking to them face to face. This is the bare minimum that Admins here would like people to practice.

I am curious what part of my post advocated for a free reign to abusing and insulting people?
I just meant you can't do all the shit that was done to this country and then expect people to remain civil.
Company Bahadur should actually be thankful that this is a homeopathic docile nation, otherwise, they would have much bigger worries than the bad manners of the people

Nobody likes bajwa, infact ill agree that he is perhaps worse than gen niazi.

But are pti fanboys going to push the reality under the carpet?

Who had made bajwa his abbu? Gave him extension? Civil military leadership on 1 page k naray?

You guys have selective amensia.

From jahangir to aleem khan, from wifes former husband to farah gogi.

Indeed IK himself is the biggest idiot out there.


Nobody can defend bajwa, but can pti fanboys defend Im the dim?
Who was the beneficiary of it all?

Your argument is the equivalent of
"We supported the taliban once so we shouldn't complain if they are trying to blow us up now"

 

[TheSolution]

The establishment engineering to get its favourites in power.

The problem is when that engineering is done on anything other than a meritocratic basis.

They simply have personal friendships or business deals made with them that are of no benefit to the country or people, so shamefully push them to power.

In the process someone more capable, more competent, and more driven is not given a chance simply due to nepotism favouring corrupt people.

No one would have a single issue if the people being engineered in were actually capable and honest in their management of the country.