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How China accumulated $28 trillion in debt in such a short time

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Bank of America Merrill Lynch became the most recent financial institution to start sounding scared about China's debt.
While no one is panicking just yet, there sure are an increasing number of people — including analysts at UBS and Macquarie — who are talking about when it might be appropriate to consider panicking.
To recap, China's total debt is about $28 trillion, or roughly half the world's entire debt.
Until recently, most people have reassured themselves that Chinese debt isn't something to worry about because the economy is growing, which means it's easier to pay back as time goes by. Also, the debt is spread around in various sectors — corporate, consumer, and government — rather than in one systemically threatening toxic dump.
Now the Chinese economy is slowing. But China hasn't stopped adding more debt. About five years ago, Chinese debt levels began accelerating far faster than GDP was growing. In other words, as time goes by China adds more debt and becomes less and less able to pay it off.
Nomura analysts Wendy Liu and her team just did us all a huge favour by calculating all of China's debts, over time, in these two charts. We've added some highlights to draw your attention to the most dramatic bits.
Some Chinese companies have doubled their debt loads since 2010:
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When you add in government debt, China added 61 percentage points of debt to GDP in just the last 5 years:
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In 2005, China's debt was 164% of GDP. Now it's 236% of GDP. It's not the scale that's worrying. Many countries have debt that is twice GDP. It's the speed at which it is changing, compared to the slower pace of economic growth.
China's 'zombie' problem
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The fact that a lot of this debt is sitting in local government or state-owned enterprises has been reassuring, until now.
The assumption has been that government debt is the government's problem, not everyone else's. The government can let its "zombie" entities stumble on as debt-paying vehicles or maybe occasionally let a couple default without any systemic contagion.
But yesterday the Chinese government again began buying stocks to prop up its plummeting stock market. No one thinks that is sustainable. And my colleague Linette Lopez noted yesterday that there is a capital-flight "doomsday scenario" being floated by BAML which suggests that China only has about a year to a year and a half of currency reserves on hand if it needs to defend a run against the yuan.
So now that government debt doesn't look so isolated. China might need its money back, suddenly.
The problem with debt, even government debt, is that it isn't just an accounting problem. It's a real thing. Sure, the government may be forced to take a few haircuts on bad bets — but that will filter through the system, eventually. The government is a huge economic player in the Chinese economy. Bad debt won't just disappear into thin air.
The question is whether the effect of that debt can be smoothly managed away before things get worse.
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While no one is panicking just yet, there sure are an increasing number of people — including analysts at UBS and Macquarie — who are talking about when it might be appropriate to consider panicking.

The people @ UBS and Macquarie ( and plenty more I think ) are taking the correct postions as of now of not to create stupid judgements on incomplete information and erratic analysis like the moronic Jim Edwards and I am wondering about how he can get his credentials

Geez, if there are more people as stupid as J Edwards and immediately you are witnessing the next financial crisis in the usa in the making!


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In spite of which China is splurging on its investments of billions of dollars in Africa, North America, Europe etc! They'll probably need to think of scaling down their ambitions considerably.
 
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In spite of which China is splurging on its investments of billions of dollars in Africa, North America, Europe etc! They'll probably need to think of scaling down their ambitions considerably.

If you people who are jumping on the bandwagon of the stupid J Edwards, you are ignorant of the fact that an investment wont be a whitewashing venture until it proves to be of zero book value and getting negative ROE or ROI

Our guys should be more prudent than most financiers in other countries so I am pretty calm over that and again there are glaring omissions of important information that the stupid J Edwards has overlooked before he wrote that foolish article

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To recap, China's total debt is about $28 trillion, or roughly half the world's entire debt."

The author is an idiot, and anyone who didn't doubt this on the first read is likewise an idiot.

"$223.3 trillion: The total indebtedness of the world, including all parts of the public and private sectors, amounting to 313% of global gross domestic product."
 
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If you people who are jumping on the bandwagon of the stupid J Edwards, you are ignorant of the fact that an investment wont be a whitewashing venture until it proves to be of zero book value and getting negative ROE or ROI

Our guys should be more prudent than most financiers in other countries so I am pretty calm over that and again there are glaring omissions of important information that the stupid J Edwards has overlooked before he wrote that foolish article

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Well said bro. I wonder why they don't attack China's external or international position? Maybe because of China's huge trade BoP surplus, huge current account BoP surplus, and world second largest NIIP after Japan? So they start writing internal market? Alright then, let's do internal market:

Check actual recorded numbers for 2014, not speculations. With ultra high savings (48.5% of GDP per year, world's 3rd highest % behind Qatar & Brunei; world 1st largest amount exceeding $5.16 trillion per year), the financial institutions only sustain a modest level (141.8% of GDP) of credit to the private sector, where is the problem? Let's include a modest government debt (41.06% of GDP), again what's the problem?​


The financial institutions are very prudent and conservative as you say, still room for growth in domestic credit market i.e. higher debt levels for both private sector and government. My opinion is more credits provided to SME & startups while tightening up for SOE, more market-driven interest rates. Let's see figures for 2015 when they are ready.
 
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@dadeechi What you've posted is a blog post not news you know that right?

To recap, China's total debt is about $28 trillion, or roughly half the world's entire debt.

Wrong.

Total US debt soars to nearly $60 trn, foreshadows new recession

Total US debt soars to nearly $60 trn, foreshadows new recession — RT USA

But China hasn't stopped adding more debt. About five years ago, Chinese debt levels began accelerating far faster than GDP was growing

Higher efficiency + higher value addition = higher profit = you debt may climb more than your gdp.

You own a company. That company makes 10 units of revenues (GDP). Your operating cost is 9 units. You have 1 units to pay your debt and make profit. Another company makes 8 units of revenues (smaller GDP). Operating cost is 5 units (more efficient). Has 3 units of funds to pay back it's debt and profit. China is evolving to latter.

This is econ 101. Please.

Nomura analysts Wendy Liu and her team just did us all a huge favour by calculating all of China's debts, over time, in these two charts.

I have made a research and couldn't find that "total debt" statistic for Japan. Maybe Noımura should make a favor to Japan first and calculate it's own country's debt statistics.

Domestic credit to private sector (% of GDP) | Data | Table

Domestic credit provided by financial sector (% of GDP) | Data | Table

See who is on top Nomura analyst Wendy Liu?

Normally government debt is calculated and used as a valid statistic for the health of government finances. Yet in recent years, starting with China's economic development to be frank, we have a "total debt" frenzy. Total debt to gdp ratio is not calculated or considered by the prestigous organizations around the world. You have your inflation and interest rates to see the actual outcome from debt.

The fact that a lot of this debt is sitting in local government or state-owned enterprises has been reassuring

Source?

China only has about a year to a year and a half of currency reserves on hand if it needs to defend a run against the yuan.

China has no intention to keep it's currency strong against USD. In fact the entire world is complaining because of undervalued yuan. Undervalued yuan is still something desirable for Chinese businesses.

The government is a huge economic player in the Chinese economy.

Source?
 
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moreover , the above mentioned data sheet refers to the data till first half of 2015 (previous 9 months were worst for this paper economy ) . stock markets crash started during previous 9 months as investors lost all the confidence in chinese economy and growth estimates downgraded moreover the ED also would have crossed 30 trillion till now . by the way why punies are comparing and justifying this data with the data or for the matter debt of THE USA
 
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moreover , the above mentioned data sheet refers to the data till first half of 2015 (previous 9 months were worst for this paper economy ) . stock markets crash started during previous 9 months as investors lost all the confidence in chinese economy and growth estimates downgraded moreover the ED also would have crossed 30 trillion till now . by the way why punies are comparing and justifying this data with the data or for the matter debt of THE USA

The author of the article claims total Chinese debt is 28 trillion dollars and it's half of the world's entire debt.

I've posted another source that claims US total debt is 60 trillion dollars.

Do the simple math please. How can China have half of the entire World's debt with 28 trillion dollars worth of debt while US have 60 trillion dollars of debt?

I didn't intend to compare both economies. I intended to show the obvious misinformation represented in this glorified blog post.
 
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The author of the article claims total Chinese debt is 28 trillion dollars and it's half of the world's entire debt.

I've posted another source that claims US total debt is 60 trillion dollars.

Do the simple math please. How can China have half of the entire World's debt with 28 trillion dollars worth of debt while US have 60 trillion dollars of debt?

I didn't intend to compare both economies. I intended to show the obvious misinformation represented in this glorified blog post.
right said fred but look at the other replies
 
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