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How can someone avoid a Torpedo Attack?

Perhaps some members experienced in naval warfare might add in some insight , seems like Torpedos are like instant ... destruction:coffee:
 
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lol CIWS?

If it can be angled to shoot downwards. Assuming the torpedo does not travel too deep underwater, and is also much slower than missiles. Integrate it some how with active sonar.

Maybe an anti torpedo torpedo?
 
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Torpedo are the only weapon used by submarines to actively attack surface ships before missiles were developed.

If given a choice do you think submarine commanders will use torpedo or cruise missiles to attack surface ship? Which weapon will have higher success rate?
 
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There must be a better way to defend an incoming torpedo then just move the whole damn ship out of its path
 
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Idk have thrusters on the side or something lol ? maybe underwater flares
 
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Well CIWS won't work as the item is underwater .. but there must be some sorta way to confuse the torpedoes , or counter torpedo systems

Otherwise , how would aircraft carriers would survice they can't move 5 inches in 1 hour....

Having submarines in that case is a major advantage
 
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How can someone avoid a Torpedo Attack?

Perhaps some members experienced in naval warfare might add in some insight , seems like Torpedos are like instant ... destruction:coffee:

1) Sink the sub.
2) Keep it so busy it doesn't have time to get a shot/launch off
3) If unguided torp: get out of the way if you can
4) If guided torp: mess with the guidance factors

Torpedoes can be unguided straight runners or guided. There are a variety of guidance systems, some of which can be combined. These include:
- (fibre optic) wire guidance > ?
- accoustic homing (screw & engine noise) > use noise maker e.g. Nixie decoy
- magnetic homing (ship's magnetic field) > use degaussing/decoys
- wake homing (ship wake / water disturbance) > no counter yet
 
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That was good answer........ there were lot of counter measure developed after WW2. However as some consider Subs r not the (torps)ultimate toys against the AC. It can do the damage but remember it has got weakness
 
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welll i think russian developed counter measures as americans to to avoid topedo attack small type of bubbles come out of attacked sub which confuses the torpedo's guidenece system i think well CIWS can't do the job welll and if i be the sub captain and i have to make a choice to attack enemy ship with torpedo or cruise missile i will go for torpedo it is more lethal attack than cruise missile very hard to counter measure and 90 percent of kill rate torpedo has which makes it too deadly
 
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- wake homing (ship wake / water disturbance) > no counter yet
This is how a 'wake homing' torpedo works...

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Passive sonar sensors detect acoustic anomalies, aka 'bubbles', created by the ship's wake AND propulsion. The word 'and' is important because the wake cone has distinctive acoustic regions, furthest from the ship would have lesser noise than closer to the ship, and the cone is bounded by the wake lines.

Waterjet Wake Characterization Suite
Such wakes provide an excellent opportunity to wake homing torpedoes because of bubbles large acoustic cross section.

As the torpedo break thru the line, it will pick up, not necessarily a sudden drop, but a rapid decline in 'bubble' acoustics, the torpedo then make a 180deg turn, reenter the wake cone, traverse the cone area, break thru the opposite wake line, and repeat the process.

The important item here is that the torpedo MUST break a wake line. Or it must think it just broke a wake line. If it does not sense what it was programmed to be 'normal' water acoustic signature, it will continue to traverse what it believe to be the wake zone. So to deceive a 'wake homing' torpedo, the defense is to create as large a wake zone as possible, compelling the torpedo to keep traveling in straight line until it find that rapid decline from 'bubble' acoustics to 'normal' acoustics that would indicate a wake line. It could travel so long that it would run out of fuel. Several ships abreast can create this large wake zone. The problem here is that the fleet must be aware of the threat in the area and coordination of their deception maneuvers may not be so easily developed, documented and trained in peacetime. Another technique is to create acoustic disruptions inside the wake cone.

Decoy device against wake-tracking torpedoes - Patent 6889590
Claims:
1. A decoy device for wake-following torpedoes, the device comprising a body of effervescent material that reacts with sea water to generate a cloud of bubbles simulating a phoney wake, wherein the effervescent material has grains in a size range of less than 100 μm, the device being characterized in that it has a covering of material that is soluble in sea water which delays the reaction of the effervescent material with sea water.

The Prairie/Masker system below illustrate well the differences between an active wake zone and one that is under some form of influences...

Prairie / Masker

Look at the differences between ships as far as their wake zones can be seen. This technique is for masking the acoustic signature of a ship but can be adapted for wake homing torpedo defense. Explosions can also create extreme acoustic disruptions to deceive these torpedoes.
 
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Well if its a guided , torpedo hmm the changes are not good for a ship is it ?

Are there like counter torpedoes to counter the torpedo itself ?

You can't blow it up with artilery on ship as the water would interfere ?

Can you fool it into hitting a dud?

I mean like flares confuse a missile ???:coffee:
 
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Well if its a guided , torpedo hmm the changes are not good for a ship is it ?

Are there like counter torpedoes to counter the torpedo itself ?

You can't blow it up with artilery on ship as the water would interfere ?

Can you fool it into hitting a dud?

I mean like flares confuse a missile ???:coffee:

I HAVE ONLY HEARD THE TERM COUNTER MEASURE IN FILMS
DON'T NOW WHAT THOSE COUNTER MEASURES ARE ACTUALLY CALLED
 
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There are various countermeasures that can be used depending upon the guidance mechanism of the missile. Usually, a dummy missile is launched from the sub which strikes the torpedo and destroy it.
Usually torpedoes are not good at maneuvering and can be evaded too. Not always but sometimes if its an old torpedo.

There are also measures like launching acoustic devices which emit a certain frequency which can be used to misguide the torpedo.
 
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In the movie 'Hunt for Red October', the Red October actually avoids a torpedo attack by turning into the torpedo, thus causing the torpedo to hit the sub before it became armed. The torpedo simply bounced off, leaving the sub unharmed.

Dunno if it'll work in real life though.
 
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