House of Sharif - From Amritsar Heera Mandi to Pakistan's top political office

[Goritoes]

That’s a ridiculous and speculative claim.

You do realize that although I was not yet born in Zia era but my parents, uncles and many more relatives have lived and saw his tenure? he brought extremism into our society and corrupted the Tribal belt with religious fanaticism so many can go and fight the soviets, of course KSA/Americans played part but it was Zia who lead that in Pakistan.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

When all politicians have money in swiss accounts, why he not had? who can give guarantee?

Is his son living outside of Pakistan?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

You do realize that although I was not yet born in Zia era but my parents, uncles and many more relatives have lived and saw his tenure? he brought extremism into our society and corrupted the Tribal belt with religious fanaticism so many can go and fight the soviets, of course KSA/Americans played part but it was Zia who lead that in Pakistan.

He brought the fight to the soviets before they could launch a simultaneous attack on Pakistan from both sides of the border along with India.

Sometimes you have to make tough decisions and be proactive. Not like the gernails of today that stand there with their lull in their hand watching encoming bharti cruj mijjail.

That’s all in the past now, but I don’t blame him for doing his job. Perhaps he miscalculated, but he wasn’t God. He did the best he could and it was way more than the gernails or politicians of today would.

What would you have done differently, if you were in his place?

 

[SecularNationalist]

The way marium nawaz is behaving these days and blackmailing to leak her own video in a night suit tells a lot about her family background of heera mandi.

 

[Goritoes]

He brought the fight to the soviets before they could launch a simultaneous attack on Pakistan from both sides of the border along with India.

Sometimes you have to make tough decisions and be proactive. Not like the gernails of today that stand there with their lull in their hand watching encoming bharti cruj mijjail.

That’s all in the past now, but I don’t blame him for doing his job. Perhaps he miscalculated, but he wasn’t God. He did the best he could and it was way more than the gernails or politicians of today would.

What would have done differently, if you were in his place?

He was paid handsomely by America, I have no issues Pakistan taking on Soviets but not sowing seeds of extremism.

First its not fair for me to say what would i do if I was in his position, but just for the sake of it I would use regular troops and stayed away from turning Tribal belt into a extremist den.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

He was paid handsomely by America, I have no issues Pakistan taking on Soviets but not sowing seeds of extremism.

First its not fair for me to say what would i do if I was in his position, but just for the sake of it I would use regular troops and stayed away from turning Tribal belt into a extremist den.

I only asked you because it’s easy for us to be critical of people in high places with responsibilities, but I was just curious. Zia has long been dead. It’s time to think about the present and future.

And regarding him getting paid by the Americans, do you mind showing me the proof for that?

 

[TheSolution]

He was paid handsomely by America, I have no issues Pakistan taking on Soviets but not sowing seeds of extremism.

First its not fair for me to say what would i do if I was in his position, but just for the sake of it I would use regular troops and stayed away from turning Tribal belt into a extremist den.

He chose the lesser of the two evils and did what had to be done

 

[Path-Finder]

 

[Goritoes]

I only asked you because it’s easy for us to be critical of people in high places with responsibilities, but I was just curious. Zia has long been dead. It’s time to think about the present and future.

And regarding him getting paid by the Americans, do you mind showing me the proof for that?

Are you seriously asking me to show you evidence that America financed the whole Mujahid's operations ? Please tell me you at least know that Americans provide stinger Missiles or Zia bring that from his .... Dude its open that America/Saudi financed most of the operations of Afghan fight against the soviets, at least watch that movie Charlie Wilsons war.

He chose the lesser of the two evils and did what had to be done

That lesser evil he chose cost Pakistan 90k deaths and a destroyed and F'd up Economy for a decades to come.

 

[imadul]

When the establishment saw the dominance of PMLN , lost its grip on power, and constantly Nawaz confronted the COAS, they had no other choice but to give room to PTI. They knew IK is educated and in good standing without a dark spot. They took chance against PMLN and now they are again facing the situation, where they have to re-negotiate a new agreement with Nawaz. The weak democratic PM is best for establishment. Unfortunately, only Pakistan military has its own courts and our civil courts can't scrutinize them for any crime, even white collar crime. Our political institutions are dead .. we have no future leaders. Every selected PM has to defend the interests of industrialists, feudal or establishment.
But that is for sure, Nawaz will never come into power because the establishment knows his mouth ie beyond their control. .............old habits die hard

Not sure I should say Army or establishment. Whatever you call them, they have favorites, they just favor their interest which is to control the country.
یہی وجہ ہے کہ تین کا پہاڑہ چلتا ہے۔
نوازو کی تین بار، تین سال کی ٹرم
بے نظیر کی دو بار تین سال کی ٹرم
چور گیلانی کی تین سال
اب عمران خان کے تین سال۔

The man eater does not let any PM stick more than three years irrespective he/she is Korrput or Klean.

 

[HAIDER]

Not sure I should say Army or establishment. Whatever you call them, they have favorites, they just favor their interest which is to control the country.
یہی وجہ ہے کہ تین کا پہاڑہ چلتا ہے۔
نوازو کی تین بار، تین سال کی ٹرم
بے نظیر کی دو بار تین سال کی ٹرم
چور گیلانی کی تین سال
اب عمران خان کے تین سال۔

The man eater does not let any PM stick more than three years irrespective he/she is Korrput or Klean.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Daddy of this guy - to counter PPP
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ideology is the love child of Hamid Gul, Zia and pashtunwali for cherry on top


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Corruption in the army to control the leadership with carrots

Hanged Bhutto (although he was a dictator too) leading to increased Sindhi nationalism and a huge blow to pakistani democracy

Couldn't really repair the damage of bhuttos nationalization to the economy

Except for nuclear program (started by Bhutto and no pakistani leader ever compromised on it) and Soviets overall a huge net negative

Every dictator except for Ayub was shit

Afghanistan and FATA always had Taliban like idealogy

For example, King Abdul Rahman Khan aka Iron Emir was brutal against Hazaras and made it into a religion thing as well.

FATA had Faqir Ipi.

Zia and dollars amped it up and now we have Taliban today.

Even Ahmed Shah Massoud was a fan of the Ikhwan.

 

[JackTheRipper]

Is his son living outside of Pakistan?

Does it matter?

Is son of Zardari living outside of Pakistan?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Does it matter?

Is son of Zardari living outside of Pakistan?

He lived most of his life outside Pakistan in Dubai, France, and London. Where they own houses.

It does matter. For people that have stolen money it’s quite transparent and easy to see that they have stolen.

Do you have proof of stolen money by Zia?

 

[Enigma SIG]

From Amritsar to Heera Mandi (Pakistan Parliament)

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