HIndu Sena’s Demand To Ban Quran In India

[N.Siddiqui]

Ironically, there is no mention of Hindu, Hinduism, Hindustan in Quran...and since there is no mention of them, it is unlikely that Quran has verses, Surah's anything against or in favor of Hindus/Hinduism....

 

[Andhadhun]

Have you ever been to mecca or media?... There are.shia sunnis praying together in the millions together.

So ? I have been to a cricket stadium too where Hindus and Muslims watch matches together too. lol.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Why does the Quran make no mention of India or the Hindus?


O Allaah, send blessings upon Muhammad and upon the family of Muhammad, as You sent blessings upon Ibraaheem and upon the family of Ibraaheem; You are indeed Worthy of Praise, Full of Glory.

First, Quran is not a book of politics, history or culture. The aim of the book is to make the mankind reflect that their God is One, and encourage them to do good deeds. All stories and arguement of Quran are based on this theme of belief and good deeds.

Second, the primary recepients of Quran as a book were Arabs. There was no point in telling them about the world they had not known during that time. There is no specific arguement to be made with reference to India.

Third, Quran mentions three religious groups and its arguement are very specific to these groups. To Christians Quran asserts that they should not believe in trinity and they should not call Jesus as son of God, because he was only a man and messenger of God. To Jews Quran argues that Allah, Arabic for God, can chose messenger from people as he likes. Allah has no obligation to choose a messenger only among Jews. Since they believe in monotheism, they should support Muslims who are promoting monotheism among polytheists Arabs. To Jews and Christians collectively referred as People of the Book in Quran Allah tells Muslims to argue that we worship the God of Abraham, peace be upon him, who was a monotheist. He is believed be to a true messenger of God by Jews, Christians and Muslims, so we should all come together to worship the God of Abraham. To polytheists Quran reminds them about stories Abraham and encourages them to reflect that idols they worship are not in control among themselves. Idols are created not the creator. They cannot feed people, bring rain, cause people to be born or die, so why worship them. Hindus are polytheists so Quran’s message to Hindus is clear.

At the same time, I would like to add that the word Hindu is given by the foreigners who came to India. The early Muslims gave this word to the natives who lived near Indus River. Since the river is called Sindhu in Persian, the word Hindu is distortion of Sindhu. Even today in Arab countries and Iran Indian nationals are called Hindi and India is called Hind. The country India as you see it today did not exist during the times when Quran was revealed. The Indian Sub-continent was divided into many small kingdoms. The region of Rajasthan and Sindh had a number of Rajput kingdoms. It was after establishment of Muslim rule in Delhi when the country were united under one rule and it was came to be seen as a grand country India as you know it.

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[El Sidd]

Last I checked Most Hindus have a concept of Nationalism and the understanding of what constitutes a Nation state.

But Indian muslims who reject that concept and refuse to sing "Vande Mataram" to demonstrate their rejection get no respect from me.

You are free to misunderstand and label whatever you don't understand. I really don't care.

And Ashoka did not use religion to keep his kingdom united, he used Raw military power and good governance practices.

Blame yourself for not creating a Country where pluralist thought cannot flourish.

Asoka did use Religion as the Main bonding force just like Akbar who by the way created Deen i Ilahi the Indian islam.

What is Hindu Nationalism as in Indian Nation State? Glorifying murderers of Gandhi?

 

[Clutch]

But Indian muslims who reject that concept and refuse to sing "Vande Mataram" to demonstrate their rejection get no respect from me.

Again... Who cares about your respect. Who are you? But a Hindutva.

As a Moghal.. I wish my ancestors exterminated all hindus but they failed and appeased.

I hate any indian connotations with my history. India is a curse as we have had interaction with its failed Hindutva breeds.

I wish indians had not adopted urdu as part of their "hindi" and kept it purely Sanskrit.

It mixes our todays cultures... Such a shame.

History proves you wrong. Many times over.

History proves me right... You existence is the proof. If we wanted we would have exterminated all hindus.Going by your logic Islam was spread by the sword! Actually, every current existing minority in any muslim muslim is proof that we didnt use the sword. If we did, there would have been no minorities to speak of.

 

[Andhadhun]

Blame yourself for not creating a Country where pluralist thought cannot flourish.

Asoka did use Religion as the Main bonding force just like Akbar who by the way created Deen i Ilahi the Indian islam.

What is Hindu Nationalism as in Indian Nation State? Glorifying murderers of Gandhi?

It was a Mega Blunder glorifying Gandhi, much less glorify his insignificant murderer.

I refuse to take the blame for muslim regressive thinking and attitude. I blame their religion, not my country.

Not a single Indian/pakistani muslim follow "deen i Ihlahi". So much for that example.

Ashoka established Dharma which is not "religion". Its only when ignorant people of abrahamic religions translate "Dharma" as religion, they start to think Ashoka spread religion.

 

[Clutch]

So ? I have been to a cricket stadium too where Hindus and Muslims watch matches together too. lol.

Watching cricket together is different than the intimate wirship at Ummrah and Hajj. Wich you will never know of. Do you know what happens during hajj and ummrah?

 

[Andhadhun]

Again... Who cares about your respect. Who are you? But a Hindutva.

As a Moghal.. I wish my ancestors exterminated all hindus but they failed and appeased.

I hate any indian connotations with my history. India is a curse as we have had interaction with its failed Hindutva breeds.

I wish indians had not adopted urdu as part of their "hindi" and kept it purely Sanskrit.

It mixes our todays cultures... Such a shame.

Like I said, I don't care. Feel free to ignore me and not reply.

History proves me right... You exist is the proof. If we wanted we would have exterminated all hindus.Going by your logic Islam was spread by the sword! Actually, every current existing minority in any muslim muslim is proof that we didnt use the sword. If we did, there would have been no minorities to speak of.

...... this does not even deserve a response.

Watching cricket together is different than the intimate wirship at Ummrah and Hajj. Wich you will never know of. Do you know what happens during hajj and ummrah?

Don't care. It was your example , not mine.

 

[Clutch]

Like I said, I don't care. Feel free to ignore me and not reply.

You make a statement... Then I give you facts... Then you respond back with "I dont care".

Are you typical Hindutva? How is the lynching and raping going in your country?

Don't care. It was your example , not mine.

Then why are you here on Pakistani Defence Forum?

 

[Andhadhun]

You make a statement... Then I give you facts... Then you respond back with "I dont care".

Are you typical Hindutva? Who is the lynching and raping going in your country?

Then why are you here?

Ok then. Tata by bye.

 

[Clutch]

Ok then. Tata by bye.

Why? Butt hurt over facts???

Stop posting BS if you cant back it up with credible unbiased source references.

And stop posting on PDF... We are all those people who dont like Hindutva extremism here... Aka. people you dont respect.

 

[El Sidd]

It was a Mega Blunder glorifying Gandhi, much less glorify his insignificant murderer.

I refuse to take the blame for muslim regressive thinking and attitude. I blame their religion, not my country.

Not a single Indian/pakistani muslim follow "deen i Ihlahi". So much for that example.

Ashoka established Dharma which is not "religion". Its only when ignorant people of abrahamic religions translate "Dharma" as religion, they start to think Ashoka spread religion.

History is full of tales of blunder by you. Most recent is Bipin and his Obsession with 2.5.

If you refuse to count them as follow countrymen that is a failure of your nationalistic thought.

Indian Muslims still remain nationalistic to India despite the hatred shown towards them en mass.

Yes. Deen i Ilahi failed because you cannot change Muslims understanding of their holy book.

You can bring out any excuse for Asoka. He imposed religion throughout india and was as foreigner to Chennai as Akbar was.

 

[manlion]

1. Because Hindus had Jaati that made conversion difficult, since conversion made a Hindu an immediate Outcaste.

2. Because Hinduism and Hindus advocated violence in the defense of Dharma unlike Buddhists and Jains.

LOL. Notice how the "caste" system is thriving in Tamil Nadu due to the British imposed "dravidian" culture ? Notice the massive proselytizing that has eroded tamil culture ? Oh wait, aren't you one of its by product ? I rest my case.

1) Dalit or sudra is an outcase as per Hindu caste system , this should have converted them to Islam or Christianity but it didnt happen in a mass scale during the British or Muslim rule

2) Buddhism and Jainism declined under Hindu royal patronage and it proves the point that these 2 religions declined due to Hindu violence and persecution

This is as funny as Indians thanking the British for the Railways

Or the Hindus thanking "Max Muller" and the East Indian company for translating the vedas into english.

My point is the Westren missionaries have contributed more to the propagation of Tamil language and culture than the Hindi imperialists. Name one non Tamil Indian in the last 70 yrs (or ve before) who have contributed to the development/preservation of Tamil culture/language. But Tamils have contributed immensely to Indian culture/history and religion

What these Hindi have done is to oppress Tamils by imposing and promoting using Tamilnadu tax payers money. Internationally promoting only Hindi and its cow belt Hindu culture etc

LOL.... how is this something valuable ? Its just a simple translation of an arabic text. Anyone who knows both tamil and arabic can do this.

In short, he TOOK from the Shaivite saints, what did he give back ? Thank you for proving my point.

No different from the "Hindustani classical" "experts" who took from "indian classical music" and divested it of all Hindu reference.

LOL... What ?

I said and gave a few e.gs of how prominent Muslims and Europeans assimilated with locals and contributed to the development of Tamil language. This isnt the case with the alien Hindi from cow belt India who refuse to assimilate with Tamil while living off Tamils and demanding Tamils to speak Hindi and adopt their culture to make these Hindi aliens feel at home in Tamilnadu

 

[Areesh]

Not a single Indian/pakistani muslim follow "deen i Ihlahi". So much for that example.

And we are proud of that too. Don't miss that part

Islam is a divine concept and not a fraud like Hinduism or any other dharma sharma chutyapa

In your dogma one can easily twist and change the dogma as per his or her wish. Even I can become your god in this fraud system that you follow.

Same cannot happen in our religion. Don't hate us out of your jealousy if we follow something genuine and not a joke like Hinduism.

 

[Andhadhun]

History is full of tales of blunder by you. Most recent is Bipin and his Obsession with 2.5.

If you refuse to count them as follow countrymen that is a failure of your nationalistic thought.

Indian Muslims still remain nationalistic to India despite the hatred shown towards them en mass.

Yes. Deen i Ilahi failed because you cannot change Muslims understanding of their holy book.

You can bring out any excuse for Asoka. He imposed religion throughout india and was as foreigner to Chennai as Akbar was.

Bipin doe not make policy, he only executes it. That is his job and role.

Our Historic blunders are not in question here, nor does anyone dispute it.

Indian muslims are largely patriotic, not Nationalist. There is a significant difference between the two.

Anyone who fights to protect his property, women and Money against external invaders is a patriot. To be a Nationalist, one also has to defend and fight for one's culture and traditions and history and Values.

I don't understand your obsession with Ashoka, My country is named BHARAT, not Ashoka. Ashoka is only a side note in the Thousands of years of Hindu history and culture.

Arthashastra during his age gives a pretty detailed picture of rule during those ages. Very little to do with religion, and far more to do with real politics.

1) Dalit or sudra is an outcase as per Hindu caste system , this should have converted them to Islam or Christianity but it didnt happen in a mass scale during the British or Muslim rule

2) Buddhism and Jainism declined under Hindu royal patronage and it proves the point that these 2 religions declined due to Hindu violence and persecution

1. They choose to remain Hindu dalit rather than become a muslim or a xtian. One applauds their courage and dedication today.

2. No real evidence of that except propaganda. Reality is that Afghanistan, pakistan and bangladesh were buddhist before they were forcible converted into islam.

My point is the Westren missionaries have contributed more to the propagation of Tamil language and culture than the Hindi imperialists. Name one non Tamil Indian in the last 70 yrs (or ve before) who have contributed to the development/preservation of Tamil culture/language. But Tamils have contributed immensely to Indian culture/history and religion

What these Hindi have done is to oppress Tamils by imposing and promoting using Tamilnadu tax payers money. Internationally promoting only Hindi and its cow belt Hindu culture etc

That is a laughable statement. Tamils themselves have contributed to Tamil language and culture than any western messiah. As is the norm ALL OVER THE WORLD.

It is your pathetic white worship that makes your ascribe them virtues while the rest of the world showers scorn on them for violating Tamil culture.

The west and christians destroyed tamil education in TN and made your uneducated louts, it was only in free Indian that TN became educated. And here you go worshiping them. Disgusting.

I said and gave a few e.gs of how prominent Muslims and Europeans assimilated with locals and contributed to the development of Tamil language. This isnt the case with the alien Hindi from cow belt India who refuse to assimilate with Tamil while living off Tamils and demanding Tamils to speak Hindi and adopt their culture to make these Hindi aliens feel at home in Tamilnadu

LOL. Nice story.