High speed railways

[war&peace]

@beijingwalker @Hamartia Antidote

 

[beijingwalker]

@beijingwalker @Hamartia Antidote

That's BS, a propaganda piece against China. First you build roads and HSR and then you have emerging cities springing up along the route, not the other way around. China also has the world's longest subways, biggest airports and ports, highways, they are part of the infrastructure designed to serve China's future, not the past.

In the US and the west their infrastructures are very rundown and falling apart, they are neither willing nor have the means to rebuilt them, so smearing China for her glittering super class infrastructure seems to be the only option they have to put China in a bad light and make themselves look not really that bad.

 

[艹艹艹]

We will continue to build more railways in xinjiang and Tibet

 

[beijingwalker]

We will continue to build more railways in xinjiang and Tibet

Xinjing Urumqi's subway is a thousand times better than any subways in US.

 

[艹艹艹]

Xinjing Urumqi's subway is a thousand times better than any subways in US.

U r right, it is very beautiful

 

[war&peace]

That's BS, a propaganda piece against China. First you build roads and HSR and then you have emerging cities springing up along the route, not the other way around. China also has the world's longest subways, biggest airports and ports, highways, they are part of the infrastructure designed to serve China's future, not the past.

In the US and the west their infrastructures are very rundown and falling apart, they are neither willing nor have the means to rebuilt them, so smearing China for her glittering super class infrastructure seems to be the only option they have to put China in a bad light and make themselves look not really that bad.

I think it is pretty positive video and he has been factual. Definitely not a propaganda otherwise I won't share or at least not tag you. So if there is something that is not per as your official then learn to take it in a positive manner because you won't find too many sycophants in the outside world.

 

[jhungary]

@beijingwalker @Hamartia Antidote

The question is not whether or not China build good High Speed Rail. The Question is why the rest of the world need to build High Speed Rail, the video begin from saying "If you travel from DC to Dallas in 9 hours or Perth to Adelaide for 9 hours. In reality, I did travel from Perth to Adelaide and I wouldn't choose train to begin with, I would just fly Virgin Australia and get there in 2 and a half hour.

Train in Western world are a novelty, while I do have a choice between countrylink if I go from my home in Sydney to Melbourne or Brisbane, but unless I "Really" enjoy railway trip, I would just book a flight, and in Australia, a flight is a lot more cheaper than train journey (I pay $89 for the Jetstar flight when I went to Melbourne last week, and I would pay around 150 if I want to get there by Countrylink.)

China has recently developed, which mean they can do a lot of city planning and have a lot of stuff written on it, in city like Sydney or DC, that is all but impossible, imagine how much and how long it wil ltake to build a railway line (Not a HSR line) in DC and Sydney? It take 9 months to extend North Shore line to include another 7 stops off Macquarie University. And the Line itself built for 10 years. It just does not worth paying that much in the US and Australia to build a dedicated line for pleasure.

On the other hand, one need to ask this, what would happened to these railway line when China have developed a matured Regional Aviation infrastructure like the west? That answer would probably shock you.

 

[war&peace]

Train in Western world are a novelty

Then exclude Europe.. here people use trains as much as possible.

 

[jhungary]

Then exclude Europe.. here people use trains as much as possible.

Use train and use High Speed Train are two different concept.

I use train a lot, for communing, but would I goes to a long journey on a train that is completely different.

Also, depending on which part of Europe you are in, and how close to your regional hubs, I use long haul train a lot when I was in Stuttgart, because it is convenience, but I virtually have not use train at all when I was in Malmo. Because there are virtually not going anywhere with train in that part of Sweden.

On the other hand, if you want to go from Western Europe to Eastern Europe, then flight may not be a possibility (but getting more convenience as there are more low cost airline flying over Eastern European destination)

But in all, most long travel between City is done by regional airline, not train. If your compare Eurostat on Regional Airline in Europe and Eurostar passenger number, you will see the different. In 2015-2016, there are 973 millions EU traveller by Regional Airline according to Eurostat, and Eurostar have a 20 millions ridership in 2015.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I think it is pretty positive video and he has been factual. Definitely not a propaganda otherwise I won't share or at least not tag you. So if there is something that is not per as your official then learn to take it in a positive manner because you won't find too many sycophants in the outside world.

There are a whole bunch of reasons as to why trains are not popular.

One reason is simply because unlike China private citizens own land in the US and they aren't all poor and pushovers (imagine the lawsuit you'd file if the government wanted to knockdown YOUR house). The ONLY way to build extensive rail networks is to Eminent Domain large swaths of property from private citizens. This was done for the Highway systems in the 1950's. The only reason that was successful was due to Cold War fears of not being able to mobilize. While the main backbone roads were successful using Eminent Domain some of the secondary failed to win court approval. Also many were built along or OVER established train routes. It would be a hard sell for high speed rail to be seen as so necessary that you can take people's land away for it.

Another reason is simply because the US has been a leader in aviation. When commercial aviation became cheap enough for the average person in the 1950's trains were seen as yesterday's tech (commercial transcontinental trains had been around since the 1870's..80 years). Everybody wants the latest smartphone these days..not a dumbphone for a poor person. Trains were seen as the dumbphone and got tossed in the bin.

So with the rise of airlines and the auto industry in the 1950's trains lost their draw.

 

[jhungary]

There are a whole bunch of reasons as to why trains are not popular.

One reason is simply because unlike China private citizens own land in the US and they aren't all poor and pushovers. The ONLY way to build extensive rail networks is to Eminent Domain large swaths of property from private citizens. This was done for the Highway systems in the 1950's. The only reason that was successful was due to Cold War fears of not being able to mobilize. While the main backbone roads were successful using Eminent Domain some of the secondary failed to win court approval. Also many were built along or OVER established train routes. It would be a hard sell for high speed rail to be seen as so necessary that you can take people's land away for it.

Another reason is simply because the US has been a leader in aviation. When commercial aviation became cheap enough for the average person in the 1950's trains were seen as yesterday's tech (commercial transcontinental trains had been around since the 1870's..80 years). Everybody wants the latest smartphone these days..not a dumbphone for a poor person. Trains were seen as the dumbphone and got tossed in the bin.

Similar things in Sydney.

Back in the 1920-30s, when they were trying to build the railway line over Sydney Harbor, they simply take the land and move those home and resettle it somewhere else, and the whole block at Glebe point was basically taken away from the land owner and resettle them in five dock, you can't do that today, if you want to take land on Glebe point, you gotta pay for it, and for that street alone, you are looking at tens of millions of dollars just to build something over it.

Train are a novelty in most part of the world, people these day flies a lot as it was way faster and cheaper than train. Same way we don't see people go around with horses no more

 

[beijingwalker]

China is also taking over US as the world largest aviation market , the country now is already the country with longest highways and subways. Next time US will have other reports explaining why traveling by air , highways and subways are not people's choice in US and they prefer walking cause that's good for the health.

 

[moweike]

China is also taking over US as the world largest aviation market , the country now is already the country with longest highways and subways. Next time US will have other reports explaining why traveling by air , highways and subways are not people's choice in US and they prefer walking caust that's good for the health.

 

[nature is]

I think it is pretty positive video and he has been factual. Definitely not a propaganda otherwise I won't share or at least not tag you. So if there is something that is not per as your official then learn to take it in a positive manner because you won't find too many sycophants in the outside world.

Subliminal message, that's how good propaganda works. In praising China capability of building HSR, it embeds a narrative of suppression in Xinjiang, Tibet, and even Hong Kong lol. That China is using HSR to serve its political purpose.

Building infrastructure, improve people's lives is exerting political control, just as OBOR/CPEC is a debt trap.


When China recently opens the world's largest sea bridge, this is how BBC reports it.