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Alaxander the great also went on a road trip from Greece and still Pakistan was intact and remained in his empire as well

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So technically speaking regions we call Pakistan were at one point part of Persian Empire then Alexander's Greek Empire (which obviously was short lived after his death)

Some people claim that the Kalash people are some of the remenants of Soldiers that came with Alexander the great and they were left over and later just forgot to go back
One of tribes in Pakistan
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Member of Pakistan's ancient tribes perhaps who may be connected to the soldiers / forces that came with Mecedonian Alexander the great. In old times when a region was won, the Victor Commander would leave his subordinate incharge of region and then either return home or continue journey to next city after a resting period

The bigger point I wanted to make is that Pakistan/Iran/Iraq/Syria/Egypt/Palestine/Turkey all have shared universal borders with multiple empires in past so it was common they were all citizen of same empire (same passport etc)
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I loved to know the old history specially if it belong to Pakistan. Now it's quite understandable to me that almost whole territory of Pakistan was governed by Persians Empire (550 BC). Persians humbly allowed other religions and mostly modest Muslims to grow in Pakistan/Afghanistan territory, Jewish 10th forgotten tribe also traveled in Pakistan/Afghanistan and accepted Islam in our territory. After that Alexander the Great invaded Persia & Persian Empire was collapsed, Alexander also captured Indian Land But latter gifted to Ambhi (vedantist) but under Alexander rule. after the death of Alexander many nation formed newly territories including Afghanistan and India formed the newly territories but India was merged with Pakistan (part of Persian Empire) and this region was called Indus Civilization. because Alexander Gifted to vedantist so Raja Dahir (663 – 712 AD) Hindu ruled on majority Persian land (Pakistan Majority of Persian then vedantist) along with their own Indian Land (Baharat). after that Arab Leader Mohammad Bin Qasim conquered from Sindh (711 AD) and finally got victory within a year. and we Pakistani are being taught about Mohammad Bin Qasim era but not the whole history.

We should teach the whole history about our land so that we can understand our territory better.

here i got three points.

1. Our ancestor have been living in our territory (Pakistan) Since Indus Civilization was formed which mainly contain Afghanistan-Pakistan-India. but the part of Persian Empire Afghanistan & Pakistan majority accepted the Islam.

2. we mainly/mostly belong to almost all phenotype and genotype except few African and Chinese (all form). we had upper cast Ancestors although we dont believe on cast system according to Islam there should not be a upper or lower casts.

3. A person who lived near Indus valley (mostly Muslims) Geographically was started to call Indians/Hindu due to Raja Dahir Government which was actual Pakistan on the other side it was Baharat the actual Land for vedantist.

But it got me confuse here that why Indians linked Hindu name with Religion. because Hindu means a person who live near Indus valley which is Pakistan now, and Pakistan Root was Persia not baharat. so India should be called Vedantist rather then Hindu, Can you highlight some your opinion regarding my this confusion ?
 
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Major point is people in region (Turkey/Iraq/Syria/Iraq/Iran/Pakistan) all have shared universal country or empire multiple times

  • Persian Empire
  • Greek Empire (Alexander Era)
  • Ummayad (Mohammad Bin Qasim Era)

We did not came on a Ship with Mohammad Bin Qasim it starts on Page 1 of Pakistan Studies Books

Qasim introduced an idealogy which was later adopted by locals over time however it does not changes the past connection to ancient civilization that have left some form of imprint in form of culture or food or music


While we can certainly say we are Muslims etc in modern times and that is our identity however , we also have to acknowledge connection to other civilizations which may have impacted the people living in region , we are talking of period between 2500-3000 years here

By looking at Ancient maps you can certainly say or claim , well Iraqi / Syrian/ Egyptians / Persians / Palestinians were our fellow citizens at one point in time (Once upon a time)
 
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Major point is people in region (Turkey/Iraq/Syria/Iraq/Iran/Pakistan) all have shared universal country or empire multiple times

  • Persian Empire
  • Greek Empire (Alexander Era)
  • Ummayad (Mohammad Bin Qasim Era)

We did not came on a Ship with Mohammad Bin Qasim it starts on Page 1 of Pakistan Studies Books

Qasim introduced an idealogy which was later adopted by locals over time however it does not changes the past connection to ancient civilization that have left some form of imprint in form of culture or food or music
yes you are right. but i am emphasizing that our ancestor was influenced with Persian empire & then Mr.Qasim not with vedantist historically/Geographically (that's why we are muslims), and we are the Real owner of Indus civilization (even after accepting Islam). Secondly i think Hindu is Wrong word, they should be called themselves vedantist religiously. Indian or Hindu means a person who live near indus river. it has nothing to do with any religion.
 
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Borders do routinely change across history and it is part how things work

Quite safe to say we picked up influence from various sources which puts us in a unique spot we can relate to Persians , we can relate to Arabs

And looking at old maps shows we did shared borders with various other countries in past
 
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But it got me confuse here that why Indians linked Hindu name with Religion. because Hindu means a person who live near Indus valley which is Pakistan now, and Pakistan Root was Persia not baharat. so India should be called Vedantist rather then Hindu, Can you highlight some your opinion regarding my this confusing ?

The term "Ind/Hind" has been stolen by Dravidians. It has absolutely nothing to do with them.
 
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My ancestors arrived in multan back in 13th century A.D. Later on settled in the mountains of Kashmir. Mirgrating from modern day Iran and Iraq. Our family origins are in median city.
 
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This below is the region over which Alexander the Macedonian ruled (Pakistan was the easternmost limit) and before him was part of the Persian Empire.

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Around 2,400 years ago we were using Kharosti Script which is derived from Aramaic in the Middle East and was brought to the Indus region by Persians. This script was dominant over all of Middle East starting from Palestine, Judea, Syria over to Persia etc

Ganga India used Brahmi script. In historical terms the best way to look at it simple. There were two forces at play. One was Indus and the other the junglee Ganga. Today Pak is manifestation of Indus and Ganga of India even if they have ended up with the name derived from Indus. But this name confusion happens often. Today yo have West Indians, Indians, Indonesian, Indo-Chinese when non have anything to do with Indus. Similarly Romania is a country in Europe but the original home of the Roman empire today is called Italy.


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/ancient-pakistan-kharosthi-script.508511/#post-9697649
 
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My guess is they evolved from single cell mechanism water based to Neanderthals and then homo sapiens.

Rest of it is a matter of which racist you believe the most. Or which racist provides you the best cover story.
 
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