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KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — The head of the Russian private army Wagner says his force lost more than 20,000 fighters in the drawn-out battle for Bakhmut, with about 20% of the 50,000 Russian convicts he recruited to fight in the 15-month war dying in the eastern Ukrainian city.

The figure was in stark contrast with widely disputed claims from Moscow that it lost just over 6,000 troops in the war, and is higher than the official estimate of the Soviet losses in the Afghanistan war of 15,000 troops between 1979-89. Ukraine hasn’t said how many of its soldiers have died since Russia’s full-scale invasion in February 2022.

Analysts believe the nine-month fight for Bakhmut alone has cost the lives of tens of thousands of soldiers, among them convicts who reportedly received little training before being sent to the front.

Russia’s invasion goal of “demilitarizing” Ukraine has backfired because Kyiv’s military has become stronger with the supply of weapons and training by its Western allies, Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin said in an interview published late Tuesday with Konstantin Dolgov, a pro-Kremlin political strategist.


Prigozhin also said the Kremlin’s forces have killed civilians during the war, something Moscow has repeatedly and vehemently denied.

Prigozhin, a wealthy businessman with longtime links to Russian President Vladimir Putin, is known for his bluster — often spiced with obscenities — and has previously made unverifiable claims, some of which he later backtracked on.

Earlier this month, his spokespeople published a video of him shouting, swearing and pointing at about 30 uniformed bodies lying on the ground, saying they were Wagner fighters who died in a single day. He claimed the Russian Defense Ministry had starved his men of ammunition and threatened to give up the fight for Bakhmut.

He also said in Tuesday’s interview it was possible that Kyiv’s anticipated counteroffensive in coming weeks, given continued Western support, might push Russian forces out of southern and eastern Ukraine as well as annexed Crimea.

“A pessimistic scenario: the Ukrainians are given missiles, they prepare troops, of course they will continue their offensive, try to counterattack,” he said. “They will attack Crimea, they will try to blow up the Crimean bridge (to the Russian mainland), cut off (our) supply lines. Therefore, we need to prepare for a hard war.”

The Ukrainian General Staff said Wednesday that “heavy fighting” is continuing inside Bakhmut, days after Russia said that it completely captured the devastated city.

Bakhmut lies in Donetsk province, one of four provinces Russia illegally annexed last fall and only partially controls.


While many were laughing about the figures given by Ukraine and the West, Prigozhin admitted losing 20K men + 20K wounded in the battle for Bakhmut alone, real figures probably even higher not even taking into account those of the Russian armed forces.
 
Cherry-picking reporting. Russian source also gave this summary:

Prigozhin: We fought in Bakhmut against superior forces, destroyed about 50,000 Ukrainian Armed Forces and wounded up to 70,000
▪️ PMC "Wagner" had 3.2 times fewer dead than the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and about 2 times fewer wounded.
▪️ The PMC in Artyomovsk had 50,000 people at its best, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine - 82,000, and the ratio for the assault should be 3 to 1 for the attackers.
▪️During the operation, I chose 50,000 prisoners, 20% of them died, another 20% were injured.
▪️The goal of Artemovsk was not Artemovsk itself, but the Bakhmut Meat Grinder. And in Artemovsk, we destroyed everyone we were supposed to destroy, we completed the task.
▪️The task was completed due to the highest level of organization.
▪️We have our own: planes, helicopters, air defense, artillery, MLRS, reconnaissance and even our own satellite reconnaissance.
 
Cherry-picking reporting. Russian source also gave this summary:
Fact is Prigozhin only knows how many casualties the russian side had.
I wouldnt trust any russian claim of satellite reconnaissance.
 
Fact is Prigozhin only knows how many casualties the russian side had.
I wouldnt trust any russian claim of satellite reconnaissance.
Casualty numbers from neither side is trustworthy. But from your attitude, you simply believe Ukrainian claims. Oh, by the way, not long ago, US sanctioned a Chinese company for providing satellite images to Wagner.
 
Casualty numbers from neither side is trustworthy. But from your attitude, you simply believe Ukrainian claims. Oh, by the way, not long ago, US sanctioned a Chinese company for providing satellite images to Wagner.
Wagner may very well try to buy access to satellite data from China. It just shows Russia doesnt have the capability.
I didnt say anything about numbers. I simply stated that Prigozhin only knows the number of russian casualties at the Bakhmut front. The rest is just hyperbole.
 
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KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — The head of the Russian private army Wagner says his force lost more than 20,000 fighters in the drawn-out battle for Bakhmut, with about 20% of the 50,000 Russian convicts he recruited to fight in the 15-month war dying in the eastern Ukrainian city.

The figure was in stark contrast with widely disputed claims from Moscow that it lost just over 6,000 troops in the war, and is higher than the official estimate of the Soviet losses in the Afghanistan war of 15,000 troops between 1979-89. Ukraine hasn’t said how many of its soldiers have died since Russia’s full-scale invasion in February 2022.

Analysts believe the nine-month fight for Bakhmut alone has cost the lives of tens of thousands of soldiers, among them convicts who reportedly received little training before being sent to the front.

Russia’s invasion goal of “demilitarizing” Ukraine has backfired because Kyiv’s military has become stronger with the supply of weapons and training by its Western allies, Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin said in an interview published late Tuesday with Konstantin Dolgov, a pro-Kremlin political strategist.


Prigozhin also said the Kremlin’s forces have killed civilians during the war, something Moscow has repeatedly and vehemently denied.

Prigozhin, a wealthy businessman with longtime links to Russian President Vladimir Putin, is known for his bluster — often spiced with obscenities — and has previously made unverifiable claims, some of which he later backtracked on.

Earlier this month, his spokespeople published a video of him shouting, swearing and pointing at about 30 uniformed bodies lying on the ground, saying they were Wagner fighters who died in a single day. He claimed the Russian Defense Ministry had starved his men of ammunition and threatened to give up the fight for Bakhmut.

He also said in Tuesday’s interview it was possible that Kyiv’s anticipated counteroffensive in coming weeks, given continued Western support, might push Russian forces out of southern and eastern Ukraine as well as annexed Crimea.

“A pessimistic scenario: the Ukrainians are given missiles, they prepare troops, of course they will continue their offensive, try to counterattack,” he said. “They will attack Crimea, they will try to blow up the Crimean bridge (to the Russian mainland), cut off (our) supply lines. Therefore, we need to prepare for a hard war.”

The Ukrainian General Staff said Wednesday that “heavy fighting” is continuing inside Bakhmut, days after Russia said that it completely captured the devastated city.

Bakhmut lies in Donetsk province, one of four provinces Russia illegally annexed last fall and only partially controls.


While many were laughing about the figures given by Ukraine and the West, Prigozhin admitted losing 20K men + 20K wounded in the battle for Bakhmut alone, real figures probably even higher not even taking into account those of the Russian armed forces.


Go Russia! kick thier butts....
 
Wagner may very well try to buy access to satellite data from China. It just shows Russia doesnt have the capability.
I didnt say anything about numbers. I simply stated that Prigozhin only knows the number of russian casualties at the Bakhmut front. The rest is just hyperbole.
Yes he knows the Russian casualities but his word about it is also a hyperbole. You need to distinguish between someone knowing the truth and he telling the truth.
 
Yes he knows the Russian casualities but his word about it is also a hyperbole. You need to distinguish between someone knowing the truth and he telling the truth.
I think Wagner is completely exhausted and that Wagner casualties in this entire campaign are even higher. They had some success, but succeeding using waves of infantry assaults against fortified positions doesnt come cheap.
 
I think Wagner is completely exhausted and that Wagner casualties in this entire campaign are even higher. They had some success, but succeeding using waves of infantry assaults against fortified positions doesnt come cheap.
That is the story Ukrainian side has been spinning for ages. They don't want to tell you that they have been hammed by artillery long before Wagner infantry assault. You surely have known how Prigozhin was pissed off when he couldn't get enough shells.
 
That is the story Ukrainian side has been spinning for ages. They don't want to tell you that they have been hammed by artillery long before Wagner infantry assault. You surely have known how Prigozhin was pissed off when he couldn't get enough shells.
Every pro russian blogger has been reporting endless russian assaults every single day for +6 months along a frontline basically been stationary. Im not using ukrainian sources leading me to conclude the russian loses have been massive.
 
I think Wagner is completely exhausted and that Wagner casualties in this entire campaign are even higher. They had some success, but succeeding using waves of infantry assaults against fortified positions doesnt come cheap.

Wagner recruited 400,000 prisoners from criminals on death row, Russia has huge prison population

it was costing Russia millions to hold these criminals in prisons and now those prisons are empty and the criminals are dead saving Russia lots of money

Russia is losing its worst people

Ukraine on the other hand lost a History Professor turned soldier in Bakhmut

a black belt Karate champion who won Olympics Gold medal was killed aged 23 in bakhmut

Ukraine is losing it best, its very best

So this is a big Win Win for Russia and a catastrophic loss for Ukraine

the Devil or Great Satan the US which represents the Anti-Christ is just laughing at the Ukrainian dead, and that is just so terribly sad
 
Wagner recruited 400,000 prisoners from criminals on death row, Russia has huge prison population

it was costing Russia millions to hold these criminals in prisons and now those prisons are empty and the criminals are dead saving Russia lots of money

Russia is losing its worst people

Ukraine on the other hand lost a History Professor turned soldier in Bakhmut

a black belt Karate champion who won Olympics Gold medal was killed aged 23 in bakhmut

Ukraine is losing it best, its very best

So this is a big Win Win for Russia and a catastrophic loss for Ukraine

the Devil or Great Satan the US which represents the Anti-Christ is just laughing at the Ukrainian dead, and that is just so terribly sad
So now its 400.000 recruited from death row.. Must be walking knees deep in bodies around Bakhmut.
Im no fan of Wagner, but they represent the only success for Russia in this war. Mainly because they are not an integral part of the russian armed forced in the hands of incompetend yes men loyal to the Zar, where initiative is punished. The best thing happening for Ukraine was Wagners decimation and retreat.
 
So now its 400.000 recruited from death row.. Must be walking knees deep in bodies around Bakhmut.
Im no fan of Wagner, but they represent the only success for Russia in this war. Mainly because they are not an integral part of the russian armed forced in the hands of incompetend yes men loyal to the Zar, where initiative is punished. The best thing happening for Ukraine was Wagners decimation and retreat.

Western Newspapers keep typing politicians keep talking

proof of the podding is in the eating

20% of Ukraine is under Russian control

18 month later and whatever weapons US + NATO have sent = nothing

End of story
 
Western Newspapers keep typing politicians keep talking

proof of the podding is in the eating

20% of Ukraine is under Russian control

18 month later and whatever weapons US + NATO have sent = nothing

End of story

"nothing"

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