Has the ' Zing' gone ?

[third eye]

I had been following this forum for some time before I chose to become a member. The reason I joined was that I found the discussions here to be intellectually stimulating and responses by members to be positive & at times ( understandabily) belligerent.

Over the months I find that most of us here have slipped into a style of response that could be described as " I am right- you are wrong ", " You all are bad / this way only", " I / we are better than you".. and so on making this forum at par with those some of us have chosen not to join.

While it is OK to be patriotic but some where we must take advantage of our education & rationality.

Just by us writing that ' India was / is wrong" or " Pk is at fault" does not imply that the policies of our nations will change or the LC will become an IB.

The kind of one liners one gets to read indicates our juvenile minds.

Wonder what we can do to get this forum back to where it once was - a place for healthy discussion & exchange of views.

 

[Patriot]

After Mumbai attacks the forum was flooded by Indian members and since then it has not recovered.

 

[third eye]

After Mumbai attacks the forum was flooded by Indian members and since then it has not recovered.

Not necessarily ... its both ways.

 

[Patriot]

I know..There are a lot of Zaid Hamid fanboys here too who spoil the fun of forums.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

I have been a member for quite a while now and have been observing posts since Adux, Bull and Flintlock (all Indian) were regular contributors and things have changed little with many of the Indians trying to obstruct debate. This is something that Indians would not allow on their own forums such as IDF or Bharat Rakshak. I was banned from IDF from raising difficult questions and I cannot even become a member of Bharat Rhakshak because they have banned my email addresses even before I could become a member.

I also agree that the Zaid Hamid fans can be as fanatical as the Indians and also spoil debate with their lunatic conspiracy theories.

 

[forcetrip]

Those are democratic sites .. They mustve voted to a resolution as to only hear their own trumpet ..

 

[Spring Onion]

Its 10 Indians Vs 1 Pakistani member here still now.

If you guys are regular contributers you will notice its 70 Indians vs 30 Pakistani members online.

Many Indians are coming back with other Ids again and again. Some are with fake Ids too.

The Indians members are the one who always derail the thread not us.

The irony is that when Indians posts BS its all ok when we try to post the same we are blamed for flairing up the things.

I can point out many posts from your countrymen which although offensive and amount to a ban were very patiently countred and absorbed by the mods and admins just to give them a fair chance.

Anyway enjoy the stay. The board is still good.

@Munshi

Sir i have seen only Indian members posting one liner or two liners calling Zaid sahab as moroon and what not. They failed to argue with logics viz viz Zaid hamid.

There are no hard and fast rules to call anything conspiracy theory.
If someone does not like or agree with any analysis he/she should either voide or argue why they do not buy that argument. But calling everything conspiracy that hits you hard or with which you do not agree is nothing but an acceptance that one is short of argument.

 

[ahmeddsid]

Yes, it has somehow lost some Zing thirdeye. Its got something to do with the members not willing to read the replies carefully, nor do some bit of (googling) for themselves, or bring in trash sources to support their tall claims.

I dont have much experience running forums as Webmaster or the others have, But I feel a Clean up drive would solve 90% of the problems. By clean up, I mean Hard Deletions of Useless One liners, Flame Baits, Off topic posts in both old and new threads.

Then, the Senior Members/Think Tanks/MPs must take up an active role in Guiding a Thread from inception, and not allow petty posts make it go haywire. For Eg: A Thread about an Indian Aircraft Carrier, can turn into a Statistical Survey of Indias Poverty Problem Since 1947!!!!

For this to be avoided, the senior members et al got to bring in a serious approach. I feel its the First 5 Posts of a thread that makes it either go sensible, or make it senseless!!

Just my thought! God Speed.

 

[Righteous_Fire]

Over the months I find that most of us here have slipped into a style of response that could be described as " I am right- you are wrong ", " You all are bad / this way only", " I / we are better than you".. and so on making this forum at par with those some of us have chosen not to join.

Hmm, Yeah! it seems that is near the truth, I would like to confess I've fallen into that naivety as well !! For my part I'll try not to be a shallow hypocrite blind to others, but the limbo like situation is that, not all the people here are open to other views. Our sub-continent / desi bhais are not good listeners nor have they the patience to listen the other side out. Whereas I am used to Western Gorays who do good sane discussions. I think my desi bhais have changed me for the bad

 

[ahmeddsid]

Its 10 Indians Vs 1 Pakistani member here still now.

If you guys are regular contributers you will notice its 70 Indians vs 30 Pakistani members online.

Many Indians are coming back with other Ids again and again. Some are with fake Ids too.

The Indians members are the one who always derail the thread not us.

The irony is that when Indians posts BS its all ok when we try to post the same we are blamed for flairing up the things.

I can point out many posts from your countrymen which although offensive and amount to a ban were very patiently countred and absorbed by the mods and admins just to give them a fair chance.

Anyway enjoy the stay. The board is still good.

@Munshi

Sir i have seen only Indian members posting one liner or two liners calling Zaid sahab as moroon and what not. They failed to argue with logics viz viz Zaid hamid.

There are no hard and fast rules to call anything conspiracy theory.
If someone does not like or agree with any analysis he/she should either voide or argue why they do not buy that argument. But calling everything conspiracy that hits you hard or with which you do not agree is nothing but an acceptance that one is short of argument.

Janaji, one thing you got to admit is that, Without Indians, this forum would loose its Identity as a whole. It will be like any other Forum out there! There are some really knowledgable Indian members here and there are trolls too, and its normal. Remember, its an Indian who brought to notice that he sensed a loss of "zing" in this forum, and Its because He cares for this forum. Its got nothing to do with 30 Vs 70 After all 300 Spartans took on a million persians and that got made into a movie hehehe Its not in the Numbers, Its in the Quality

About Zaid Hamid, the less said the better. I would advice his followers/fans to exercise restraint towards critiscisms and argue with logic, not rants, because that is a sense of greatness, and not a bad trait!

 

[Spring Onion]

Janaji, one thing you got to admit is that, Without Indians, this forum would loose its Identity as a whole. It will be like any other Forum out there! There are some really knowledgable Indian members here and there are trolls too, and its normal. Remember, its an Indian who brought to notice that he sensed a loss of "zing" in this forum, and Its because He cares for this forum. Its got nothing to do with 30 Vs 70 After all 300 Spartans took on a million persians and that got made into a movie hehehe Its not in the Numbers, Its in the Quality

About Zaid Hamid, the less said the better. I would advice his followers/fans to exercise restraint towards critiscisms and argue with logic, not rants, because that is a sense of greatness, and not a bad trait!

Welcome

Now as far as the identity of this forum well when it was started and grew in front of me Indians were not there at that time.

I would say its identity is not captive to Indians' presence but to a strong argued difference of opinion which is the basis for healthy discussion everywhere. And BTW who told you we are against presence of Indian members here ? I am only against the trolls who are in large numbers

Again you had also shown bit unfair attitude when you said the Zaid hamid fans and followers should show this and that on other hand you forgot to advice Indians who usualy are the ones who resort to rants viz viz any thread about Zaid hamid.
Again you came up for rescue of India when you have talked about linking a thread on aircraft with poverty in India but you failed to mention that how Indian members derail the thread by linking FATA, NWFP, Balochistan with Kashmir issue and so on.

Anyway its another discussion.

And hey i am also talking about the trolls from your side not about the good knowledgeable Indian members. And when i mentioned 70 Vs 30 ratio i meant that you will see more Indian juvenile members registering and resorting to mere trolling.

Hardly few argue decently.

And honestly Indian members get away with even bad posts most of the times because they misuse the freedom of expression they got here which even in centuries they wont give us on their own forums.

 

[ahmeddsid]

Welcome

Now as far as the identity of this forum well when it was started and grew in front of me Indians were not there at that time.

I would say its identity is not captive to Indians' presence but to a strong argued difference of opinion which is the basis for healthy discussion everywhere. And BTW who told you we are against presence of Indian members here ? I am only against the trolls who are in large numbers

Again you had also shown bit unfair attitude when you said the Zaid hamid fans and followers should show this and that on other hand you forgot to advice Indians who usualy are the ones who resort to rants viz viz any thread about Zaid hamid.
Again you came up for rescue of India when you have talked about linking a thread on aircraft with poverty in India but you failed to mention that how Indian members derail the thread by linking FATA, NWFP, Balochistan with Kashmir issue and so on.

Anyway its another discussion.

And hey i am also talking about the trolls from your side not about the good knowledgeable Indian members. And when i mentioned 70 Vs 30 ratio i meant that you will see more Indian juvenile members registering and resorting to mere trolling.

Hardly few argue decently.

And honestly Indian members get away with even bad posts most of the times because they misuse the freedom of expression they got here which even in centuries they wont give us on their own forums.

I think you kind of mistook my post. I know this forum is popular because its a meeting place of divergent Ideas and thoughts.

About Zaid hamid threads, well I expect the Zaid fans to be a class above the Indian trolls! The Indian trolls wont listen to anyone and they come to distrupt, so why should the Zaid Hamid followers/fans stoop to their level???? Isnt it a valid thought?

When I gave the Indian aircraft carried thread as an Example, I wanted it to also apply to the FATA situation etc. I thought it was implied, but you didnt get it!

If you take the quality of Indian members and Pakistani members, well it will be equal. There are an equal number of knowledgable members. And If you take in the Trolls, yes, Maybe there a bit more Indian trolls, but then they dont last long here do they???? A Max of 10 posts and they go!!! So need not worry about them

I dont believe Indian members get away with anything, you are trying to sensationalise the issue at hand! An example for this is me I am a living example! heheheh The Mods do as good a job they can, and I havent seen them dole out favours to Indian members... Yet!!

Lets not bring in other forums, it will dilute the issue at hand, which is much more important!

 

[Spring Onion]

I think you kind of mistook my post. I know this forum is popular because its a meeting place of divergent Ideas and thoughts.

About Zaid hamid threads, well I expect the Zaid fans to be a class above the Indian trolls! The Indian trolls wont listen to anyone and they come to distrupt, so why should the Zaid Hamid followers/fans stoop to their level???? Isnt it a valid thought?

If you read those threads well my dear we did show some patience except few new comers from our side, the senior ones have argued well whereas from your side i have seen even the most senior ones trolling on that thread atleast. But anyway let go this issue its an individual one not a collective one.

When I gave the Indian aircraft carried thread as Example, I wanted it to also apply to the FATA situation etc. I thought it was implied, but you didnt get it!

Ahhh come on accept it that i gocha there. "wanted to and did" there is a big difference bewteen the two. You should have applied it instead of presenting only Indian case.

If you take the quality of Indian members and Pakistani members, well it will be equal. There are an equal number of knowledgable members. And If you take in the Trolls, yes, Maybe there a bit more Indian trolls, but then they dont last long here do they???? A Max of 10 posts and they go!!! So need not worry about them

Agreed on quality of posts from both sides. Agreed on your comment about the trolls. But again their short stay spoils the mood and forum. Still i love it

I dont believe Indian members get away with anything, you are trying to sensationalise the issue at hand! An example for this is me I am a living example! heheheh The Mods do as good a job they can, and I havent seen them dole out favours to Indian members... Yet!!

Lets not bring in other forums, it will dilute the issue at hand, which is much more important!

I said it what i felt over the years recently may be i am wrong. And BTW i am also a living exmaple of what i said. So yes leave it here i would not like to discuss the admin decisions here.

 

[hj786]

Hi. I just wanted to add that, even though I do sometimes post my thoughts, I don't enjoy doing so because of the scumbags who enjoy posting crap here. Every time I see their posts I think why aren't they banned? Why are they still here? Just because they make a mix of acceptable and BS posts, doesn't mean they should be allowed to post here, why isn't action being taken against them?

I always very much enjoyed reading the posts by the PAF/PA/PN insiders, those with contacts inside the forces and inside knowledge. I only signed up so I could see pictures.

I hate the trolls very much and sincerely wish the moderators would take a harder line. Not just against the Indian ones, but also the Pakistani ones - I don't want any double standards here. I agree very much with Jana's posts above. Basically, I wish this place was more like PakDef but with lots of Indian members too (I know that in some rare posts some PakDef posters use offensive names for Indians, that should be stopped). I dislike PDF.com for obvious reasons, although I read there also because of some members with inside contacts and much knowledge. I wish their attitudes towards Indians were different to the attitude towards Pakistanis on certain Indian boards. I hate to think that PDF.com is the Pakistani equivalent of BRF or IDF, but it kinda is.

Some of my thoughts on the issue.

EDIT
Perhaps I shouldn't be doing this, but I feel the following post I just came across illustrates my point.

Who are you to question India aid to Afghanistan?

If you cant contribute... don't question others contribution...
India may be doing anything...but at least we are not living off....donations...so we have all the right in the world to put pour money wherever we want.....whenever we want....

Don't worry we will take care of Indians....no lessons needed from Pakistan..who is busy bombing its own land ....when Millions go homeless and take refuge in camps....

Now this guy KNOWS Pakistan is fighting a Taliban insurgency responsible for much suffering and death. He knows the economic problems of the country are no fault of the people of Pakistan, but due to politicians and their ilk. But he also knows he is allowed to make comments like that and have it displayed on a Pakistani board for the world to see, so he does so. Perhaps it is a good thing, it shows to the internet that there is a group of Pakistanis who are willing to take this crap on their own "territory"; that makes me proud of the guys who run this place. But it doesn't change the way I despise those kinds of comments being present here.

Sorry, can't resist. Couple more examples.

I thought that this would be obvious to someone of average intellect, but considering your earlier comments on how muslims are supposedly discriminated in the Indian Army because they can't grow their facial hair, I'm not too surprised at your most recent gem.

This... fellow's personal attack is referring to Jana, who if I recall correctly is a professional journalist as well as a senior member. Is he in a position to question her intelligence?

I doubt if the theory and practice of karma is going to be understandable to Pakistanis, otherwise they would never have found themselves in such mess.

Speaks for itself really.

 

[Patriot]

PDF is far better then BRF.Members there don't pray for destruction of Indians or INdia.