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Has pakistan made a mistake by retaliating?

So, basically the position is that Pakistan should have shown complicity in an internal reelection bid of current Indian regime. If Pakistan had not retaliated to an overt attack even for the consumption of Indian audiences and without any loss of life it still creates/created a new paradigm between the two countries in escalating the conflict. Besides, complicity from Pakistan would have been an overt and tacit aid to incumbent prime minister of india in his reelection bid while showing a disastrous weakness in defenses(mind you for a nuclear state) and maintaining posture and retaliating in kind(which merely is an equalizer and not one upmanship). There is no way that any of the above premise holds water except it's comic value.
 
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No..I genuinely feel Pakistan should not have done what it has done in its own interest...

A lot of Pakistani posters have responded to your OP comment in this thread; but it appears that you are not satisfied with most of those responses; since you are sticking to your original view. OK. Let me try.

I respect your feeling; but naturally the decision of the retaliation was taken collectively by our political and military leadership, with full consensus of virtually all the sections of state and society. There was and has been hardly any dissenting voice, in Pakistan, against the retaliation, before or after it. Pakistan has never seen such a national consensus, in the recent past, on any issue, as this one.

Pak was unable to reign terror groups like jaish e mohammad which were behind pulwama...Modi didnt have a choice but to do something to placate the indians before elections.

No. You are absolutely wrong that Modi didn't have any other choice. He had many, but he chose the one, which suited him and political interests of his party, the most. He, in fact, deliberately created the atmosphere and necessary hue and cry, by using the Indian media, to produce requisite justification for the strike.

If I follow your logic, then it would mean that if a terrorist attack occurs in Pakistan and Pakistan thinks that it has been carried out by backing of Indian agencies; then it has all the right to carry out an air or missile strike inside India. Think over it; it is a very dangerous and disastrous proposition.

To placate the Indians, on the cost of Pakistan's sovereignty and honor, is obviously not acceptable to Pakistan; as it would, of course, not be to you. Your this proposition is also very naive, to say the least.

..he saw to it there wasnt any loss of life on your side so that things dont get escalated.

Are you implying that the Balakot strike was a deliberate miss and no loss of lives was intended, to start with? It may be your personal imagination; since your government doesn't say so.

In any case, the retaliatory response was also measured and proportional and no loss of lives, or infrastructure, was intended, as has been clearly expressed, by our DG(ISPR).

..Pakistan retaliated out of public pressure.

Of course public pressure was one of the many factors. But there is one difference. In India, after Pulwama incidence, a public pressure was deliberately created by extensive use of jingoistic propaganda; whereas in Pakistan it was spontaneous. Rather government tried its best to pacify it.

Other factors, which lead to the retaliatory action, have been given by many posters, which you would have read.

.but they shouldnt have shot the plane.

Shooting down of the plane(s) was neither part of the planned retaliatory action, nor was intended at all. Here, again, most of the people are thinking in terms of one aggressive action by India and consequent retaliatory response, by Pakistan. My take is different: India committed two aggressive actions and, consequently, Pakistan retaliated twice:

Indian Aggression # 1: Balakot strike (Feb 26)
Pakistan Retaliation # 1: Air strike on ground targets in IOK (Feb 27)
Indian Aggression # 2: Second violation of LOC and Pakistan air space by IAF aircraft (Feb 27)
Pakistan Retaliation # 2: Shooting down of IAF plane(s) (Feb 27)

Had IAF planes not violated the Pakistan air space, again on Feb 27 and remained within their own air space; no shooting down of plane(s) would have occurred.

...sometimes it's better not to corner the enemy to a point where there is no escape.

A very wise advice, no doubt; except that you have misdirected it. This precious piece of advice should be given to Indian policy makers and public, at large. As far as I know, most, of course not all, of the Pakistanis are aware of sanity and appropriateness of this statement.

..this was a great humiliation to Indian govt led by a hindutwa party and the military in general.

Once, one is bent upon humiliating and insulting others; he should be ready, for his own, as well. It is quite a common occurrence.

"Ab udaas phirtay ho, sardiyon ki shaamon main
Iss tarha tau hota hae, iss tarah kay kaamon main"

..besides your DG ISPR is rubbing salt to the wounds with his press conferences..

First thing is that the DG(ISPR) press briefings are not more than the similar briefings, held by the authorized official Indian representatives, in this respect. You may count them. In any case, the is part of his job. Don't forget that India and Pakistan are still in a state of a hybrid war, which has not yet ended.
 
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Has Pakistan made a mistake by retaliating and downing an Indian fighter jet and parading and humiliating the pilot in front of the whole world? Can they afford a wounded and a humiliated enemy who is 7 times their size snd especially at a time when pakistan is going through such a severe economic crisis?
Indian govt wanted to calm the people down after the pulwama attack and they sketched a plan wherein there wont be any loss of life on pakistani side but would make people here in india believe that they had taken revenge on terrorists.
I heard Imran khan later saying on TV that he told the chief of army that they were not going to retaliate as there was no loss of life...what had changed suddenly for him to give his consent for an attack?
I personally believe Pakistan made a mistake by humiliating India in such a way at this moment given what it is going through...they should have simply denied any attack happening and taken the media to the spot and shown the reality...Thinking indians and the world would have any bought the real story.

do indian have anyother thing to do in life or simply they have no life.
we clear the msg you the red line we break your neck simple is that .. and then we will tell the world "this is how we do it". so you better keep your nose in your limits you are 3 or 10 times bigger when you cross the limits you know what and how will we reply.
agar bayzatee mahsoos hoti hai to ulti harkatain na karo.
 
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You tend to miss the details when you deliberately miss the facts. It was not a 2nd or 3rd gen, heavily upgraded Bison which led to India standing down but rather the fall of the mighty titan, the SU-30MKI which was shot down so easily and from far far away that jolted your Military into a shocking freeze and eventual backing off.

no proof of downing the Su-30 MKI. If you are going to believe
that then you'll also have to accept the Indian claim of downing the F-16.
 
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Ok...I got it..but pakistanis came...bombed near military installations in broad day light..thats victory...they should have simply gone back...they have created a serious enmity by downing the jet and the show of the pilot that followed.


He said on the day pilot was caught while addressing the nation and telling the reason behind the attack.
Downing a jet or jets...:police:
 
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It was a catch-22 situation; if a retaliation wasn’t done India could justify that it had actually done some huge service against “terrorism” and be emboldened for future strikes.

By doing it we shook the confidence of their leadership in their air power and their army as well; to the extent that they only saw their cruise & ballistic missiles as the only thing we could not stop and were even thinking of doing a limited nuclear strike on us.

However, by striking and using some of our tactics we showed part of our hand and have now given them the need to learn more counter tactics against us.

Knowing the vengeful Indian.. they are already planning their comeback

Nuclear strike - seriously dude, what are you smoking? You don’t have to threaten with nuke when you have all the big powers on your side.

Conventional missile strike threat - most likely.

The visible results post Balakot drama: Pak cannot as much as sneeze anymore on cross border militancy without the threat of FATF blacklisting and similar punishment. India will ensure relentless pressure till Pak falls in line.

Militancy in Kashmir will die a slow death without material support from across the border. Modi if he comes back to power is never going to agree for talks on Kashmir.

Most important: Pulwama achieved something even Jinnah could not. India and Pak living as two distinctly separate countries without unwanted emotional hangover. We are now just neighbors no different to India and Iran.
 
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I personally believe Pakistan made a mistake by humiliating India in such a way at this moment given what it is going through...they should have simply denied any attack happening and taken the media to the spot and shown the reality...Thinking indians and the world would have any bought the real story.
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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no proof of downing the Su-30 MKI. If you are going to believe
that then you'll also have to accept the Indian claim of downing the F-16.

Indian claim was debunked with the official count of F-16 strength. However, the AIM-120C-5 that was displayed by Indian Military, had taken down something and that was the SU-30MKI which was also corroborated by eye witnesses of 2 planes going down, one on this side of the LoC (Mig-21) and one on the other side (SU-30MKI).
 
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Indian claim was debunked with the official count of F-16 strength. However, the AIM-120C-5 that was displayed by Indian Military, had taken down something and that was the SU-30MKI which was also corroborated by eye witnesses of 2 planes going down, one on this side of the LoC (Mig-21) and one on the other side (SU-30MKI).

F-16 count has not been proven yet. No official confirmation of this. A news report not even showing the names of the officials who made that claim is not proof of anything. US government has officially stated that they are not aware of any such count having taken place.

The 2nd plane was the Pakistani F 16 as proven by the initial Pakistani claims of capturing two pilots confirmed by Pakistanis on the ground who claimed having caught another pilot on the ground besides Abhinandan but who they though was an Indian.

The AIM-120C-5 was just a debris of the missile that was fired by the F16. It only hit the ground. Nothing else.
 
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