Has pakistan made a mistake by retaliating?

[PurAzamBaHadaf]

We know that Imran bhai. Pakistan will never stop its terror exporting factories. But that's not the debate here. The debate is what will happen once another terror attack happens in India claimed by Pakistani groups.

It's a 2 way street. You carry on with your funding of terrorism in Pakistan and it is reciprocated back to you. Simple enough no?

 

[Arsalan 345]

Ji koriboloi asile air force'e korile, tar pasot amar ghorot aahi bomb pelai goise. Aaru amar 56 inchi e election rally't tar mileage loi furise. Beya lage okol Maneswar Basumatary'r nisina juwan buror karone.

what is this language and who are you? and why blaming pakistan for assam? i think we did nothing with assam.this is crazy.lol strange appearance.

 

[war&peace]

Hello,

Their 250 years of rule dwarfs in comparison to the 7 centuries of uninterrupted rule by the Ahom kingdom.

Numerous unsuccessful forays into Assam over the centuries by the Mughals and the satellite kingdoms broadcasted their interests and intentions.

Nor did my ancestors ever seek to invade and rule any faraway land, we were able to ward off Mughal invasions and defend our territory against a much larger force.

What is of note though is that what the Mughals couldn't achieve by force the Sufi ascetics could. A lesson in it for all, you see?

Regards.


I speak of our forefathers in Assam, lesser known, but resisted the Mughals for centuries. Peace.

If you're so proud of Assam then why are you slaves of India now? Why don't you make an independent country?

 

[SQ8]

Mmm... air power may be. But army ? Nah. The army wasn't involved in any of this.

It was.. right after our strike. Heavy artillery

 

[Vikki]

Rather "Hamaari kyun maari"

No..I genuinely feel Pakistan should not have done what it has done in its own interest...Pak was unable to reign terror groups like jaish e mohammad which were behind pulwama...Modi didnt have a choice but to do something to placate the indians before elections...he saw to it there wasnt any loss of life on your side so that things dont get escalated...Pakistan retaliated out of public pressure..but they shouldnt have shot the plane....sometimes it's better not to corner the enemy to a point where there is no escape...this was a great humiliation to Indian govt led by a hindutwa party and the military in general...besides your DG ISPR is rubbing salt to the wounds with his press conferences..

 

[Cygnus Black]

I think India will retaliate... but it will retaliate in a VERY COWARDLY MANNER that is characteristic of Indians. Remember the 1999 Atlantique incident few months after Kargil war? They shot down an UNARMED Pakistan military plane flying well inside Pakistani territory, supposedly because we shot down a couple of their migs during the war. Pakistan has cautiously kept its airspace shut for a few months now, because we cannot trust Indians not to shoot even our CIVILIAN planes. THAT'S how cowardly they are.

 

[That Guy]

If Pakistan did not retaliate, India would from then on have had free reign to violate Pakistan's sovereignty without consequence. Pakistan had no choice, as it was the only way to reset the status quo between the two military forces.

India has no one to blame but itself.

 

[Jackdaws]

I think India will retaliate... but it will retaliate in a VERY COWARDLY MANNER that is characteristic of Indians. Remember the 1999 Atlantique incident few months after Kargil war? They shot down an UNARMED Pakistan military plane flying well inside Pakistani territory, supposedly because we shot down a couple of their migs during the war. Pakistan has cautiously kept its airspace shut for a few months now, because we cannot trust Indians not to shoot even our CIVILIAN planes. THAT'S how cowardly they are.

Right. Except facts are exactly the opposite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarat_Beechcraft_incident

 

[Cygnus Black]

Right. Except facts are exactly the opposite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarat_Beechcraft_incident

Another "Look, how the tables have turned!" moment for Indians. F*ing cowards!

 

[Mav3rick]

You too killed man..it has been happening for ages....you claim you love kashmiris but fire and kill your so called kashmiri muslims on the borders in cross firing.

We NEVER target the population across the LoC; and therein lies our dilemma, as India pounds our civilians and all we can do is pound the Indian Military targets. That is the reason why you will come across reports of civilian casualties only on our side of the LoC.

 

[Clearly]

DO YOU REMEMBER INDIA’S ATTITUDE AT THE TIME. COS I DO.

One thing I learnt from this incident was India is a snake country. I don’t know how else to better describe it.

India is a mellow girlish name for this type of country. It should be Snakia.

 

[Mav3rick]

Nope. The fact that Indian Air Force crossed so far into Pakistani territory and bombed across the international border only to receive a half arsed response has emboldened the right wing in India. They, rightly or wrongly, take it as a calling of the Pakistani bluff of using nukes in case of an Indian attack across the IB. This will make things more dangerous in case of another terror attack from Pakistani based groups.

I don't know how you Indians can still speak of the stand-off after getting humiliated in front of the entire world, let alone to make bold claims when all you could do was STAND DOWN after you got owned. I guess the reality hit so hard that now the only things you Indians can actually do is talk bold.........ofcourse, 1 Billion Indians speaking bold and BS will drown any Pakistani victory, eventually!

 

[Mav3rick]

Defeat accepted in the skirmish.

That wasn't the point of the post though. It's about what could have happened if the pilot wasn't returned so quickly and what could happen next.

If you think this is over, it really isn't mate.

Perhaps you actually have NO idea what happened. An attack on Indian Paramilitary Force by a Kashmiri from IoK, trained in India and using explosives made in India, was blamed on Pakistan within minutes of it happening (as expected). Modi and BJP jumped on the opportunity and decided to carry out a 'surgical strike' against so called targets around 70 km's inside Azad Kashmir.

IAF was tasked with the mission which used stand off weapons from ranges close to the LoC, perhaps IAF digressed from the plan when chased by PAF or simply missed the targets and bombed open areas. However, the Indian Authorities claimed that 300 terrorists were killed in the Indian Airstrike and Indians rejoiced, BJP got a massive boost in their ratings.

Pakistanis were informed by the authorities that IAF had attempted to undertake a strike across LoC which was thwarted by PAF after which IAF scrambled out of Azad Kashmir deploying stand off weapons from the LoC, which too failed to hit the intended mark. The general public was fuming and was demanding action against India. Initially, the Military and Civilian leadership, it appeared, wanted to escalate the situation only diplomatically and gain sympathy from the world. However, the blowback from the population was so severe that the Government was left with no option but to strike back. And strike back we did, extremely professionally, in broad daylight, and after open challenge.

After our strikes, IAF for some reason decided to engage PAF with Bisons along with MKIs; result, a Bison and an MKI was shot down by the PAF. Fortunately for IAF, the MKI fell in IoK whereas the Bison fell within Azad Kashmir after which the IAF pilot was captured and treated professionally. As a goodwill gesture, Pakistan released the pilot within 2 days.

And so India, after failure of IAF, decided to use ballistic missiles instead and was duly notified that Pakistan would launch 3 Missiles for each Indian Missile launched. It was only when India substantiated the readiness and willingness by Pakistan to escalate each strike by a factor of 3, did India back down........bow down and resort to big talk.

Ofcourse, Modi and IAF have been crying since, missing the Rafales, which would have made a difference. But that also makes me wonder, what happened to the over-hyped MKIs and Phalcons? How did PAF get the better of IAF within IAF airspace? And will the arrival of Rafales resolve all those issues?? What happens when IAF has to square off against China's J-20s?? How about a 2-front war?

Perhaps it's time India made friends with her neighbors!

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

It was.. right after our strike. Heavy artillery

And, how did that shake the confidence of the government in the army ? It was pretty normal stuff that goes on. Regular stuff.

Perhaps you actually have NO idea what happened. An attack on Indian Paramilitary Force by a Kashmiri from IoK, trained in India and using explosives made in India, was blamed on Pakistan within minutes of it happening (as expected). Modi and BJP jumped on the opportunity and decided to carry out a 'surgical strike' against so called targets around 70 km's inside Azad Kashmir.

IAF was tasked with the mission which used stand off weapons from ranges close to the LoC, perhaps IAF digressed from the plan when chased by PAF or simply missed the targets and bombed open areas. However, the Indian Authorities claimed that 300 terrorists were killed in the Indian Airstrike and Indians rejoiced, BJP got a massive boost in their ratings.

Pakistanis were informed by the authorities that IAF had attempted to undertake a strike across LoC which was thwarted by PAF after which IAF scrambled out of Azad Kashmir deploying stand off weapons from the LoC, which too failed to hit the intended mark. The general public was fuming and was demanding action against India. Initially, the Military and Civilian leadership, it appeared, wanted to escalate the situation only diplomatically and gain sympathy from the world. However, the blowback from the population was so severe that the Government was left with no option but to strike back. And strike back we did, extremely professionally, in broad daylight, and after open challenge.

After our strikes, IAF for some reason decided to engage PAF with Bisons along with MKIs; result, a Bison and an MKI was shot down by the PAF. Fortunately for IAF, the MKI fell in IoK whereas the Bison fell within Azad Kashmir after which the IAF pilot was captured and treated professionally. As a goodwill gesture, Pakistan released the pilot within 2 days.

And so India, after failure of IAF, decided to use ballistic missiles instead and was duly notified that Pakistan would launch 3 Missiles for each Indian Missile launched. It was only when India substantiated the readiness and willingness by Pakistan to escalate each strike by a factor of 3, did India back down........bow down and resort to big talk.

Ofcourse, Modi and IAF have been crying since, missing the Rafales, which would have made a difference. But that also makes me wonder, what happened to the over-hyped MKIs and Phalcons? How did PAF get the better of IAF within IAF airspace? And will the arrival of Rafales resolve all those issues?? What happens when IAF has to square off against China's J-20s?? How about a 2-front war?

Perhaps it's time India made friends with her neighbors!

I am not reading all that. We all know the Pakistani and Indian version of events. i am gonna rely on the neutral version.

What happened was that India had to stand down because of the quick release of the pilot by Pakistan. It took away India moral right and justification to respond to 27th Feb. If you seriously think that losing one 2nd generation fighter jet will make India stand down against Pakistan, you are living in lala land.

You can take a cue from the past aggressions between India and Pakistan.

 

[Mav3rick]

I am not reading all that. We all know the Pakistani and Indian version of events. i am gonna rely on the neutral version.

What happened was that India had to stand down because of the quick release of the pilot by Pakistan. It took away India moral right and justification to respond to 27th Feb. If you seriously think that losing one 2nd generation fighter jet will make India stand down against Pakistan, you are living in lala land.

You can take a cue from the past aggressions between India and Pakistan.

You tend to miss the details when you deliberately miss the facts. It was not a 2nd or 3rd gen, heavily upgraded Bison which led to India standing down but rather the fall of the mighty titan, the SU-30MKI which was shot down so easily and from far far away that jolted your Military into a shocking freeze and eventual backing off.