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Would it be a fair assessment to claim that KSA is pulling its support on Kashmir due to US insistence? The US is after all the main sponsor of Hindustan and has a lot of influence over KSA. The Saudi kingdom is essentially relying for its existence on US support. Has the US used its leverage to pressure Pakistan behind the scene and shore up its lackey India?

It is clear as daylight that KSA has favored India over Pakistan in the Kashmir conflict. Pakistan had to repay the 1 billion Saudi loan after Pakistan began insisting that Saudi Arabia play its role to garner support from the Islamic world on the Kashmir issue. As we know the loan was part of a wider package offered initially when the PTI government came into power. Our foreign reserves were dwindling and the trade deficit was in an unhealthy shape. It is also true that in May this year the Saudis suspended the oil credit facility which was also part of a wider package. Pakistan had to repay the loan in full. Tensions were already visible and building up.

Saudi and Pak relations deteriorated rapidly, starting in February when Saudis blatantly turned down a request by Pakistan to hold a meeting of Foreign Ministers of the OIC. Pakistan did not back down and kept insisting to use the OIC platform to pressure India on the Kashmir issue. Very important to note, it was at this crucial moment that Saudi Arabia decided to call in the loan.

It is no secret to KSA how Kashmir is at the core of Pakistan India conflict. The Kashmir conflict far outweighs any other issue on Pak agenda. Both Pakistan and India have fought multiple wars over Kashmir. Yet, the Saudis have ignored to pay any heed to such sensitivity. Shah Mahmood Qureshi, has continued to openly demand that KSA convene an OIC council meeting. Such a blatant move on Pakistan's part is too unprecedented. Pakistan usually has a habit of keeping a lid on things. By calling out KSA in such an open manner, Pakistan has defied their silenced modus operandi. Recently in a TV interview, Qureshi went as far as demanding an OIC meeting. Failure to do so would result in a meeting between like-minded countries such as Iran and Turkey who stand with Pakistan on the Kashmir conflict.

Where does this leave the 20 billion MoU signed earlier between KSA and Pakistan? This includes the 10 billion oil refinery deal at Gwadar. Can we assume that KSA and Pak relations have now become hostage to Indian and US meddling? Is KSA unwilling to take Pakistan's side in the Kashmir conflict? Let alone the wider conflict between Pak and China versus Hindustan. Was the Saudi assistance package a carrot from the beginning to kowtow US and Saudi demands?

As mentioned earlier, Saudi Arabia is dependent on the US, which is also applying covert pressure on Saudi Arabia to stay away from Chinese initiatives. Has KSA chosen a side by taking such a bold stance? After all picking a side in the Kashmir conflict is something that won't be forgotten that easily. I am a sceptic, but would it be fair to conclude that economic ties between the Saudis and India are also a driving factor in change of heart towards Pakistan?

Whatever the experts say, KSA has been less forthcoming to extend support to Pakistan's stance on Kashmir. KSA has traditionally supported Pakistan primarily due to Pakistan's close proximity with rival Iran. Pakistan is also home to world's largest Shiite minority outside of Iran. Surely KSA has taken all these factors into account, yet chosen the Indian side. Should Pakistan change its stance even if KSA decided to placate Pakistan's demands in other less meaningful ways? We know that the Saudis will come back because papa America will play its behind-the-scenes dubious role. Papa America cannot live with or without Pakistan.

How should Pakistan navigate these troubled waters? Should it apply a similar unconventional response by going through with a meeting between like-minded countries? After all, there should be zero compromise on Kashmir. Is it time for Pakistan to leave OIC? Some might argue that this will leave a void for India to fill. Yet, the grouping of like-minded countries is not a terrible idea in these uncertain times. In a day and age where new grand alliances are order of the day, such a move would be rewarding in the longer term?
 
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Bro SA,UAE Egypt and other gulf states are all US puppets. Their sole survival to their fiefdoms is because of the West. Gone are days of late King Faisal, its time to stick to our true friends China and Turkey.

Most certainly. Although, KSA has taken an extremely bold and risky move to undermine Pakistan on the Kashmir issue. When we say that Kashmir is the jugular vein of Pakistan we don't merely shout this as a slogan. We mean every letter from the bottom of our heart. The Saudis aren't drunk. They clearly chose a side and didn't regret or look back. We don't expect much from MBS, but this is unprecedented to say the least.

I think time has come for Pakistan to be unapologetic and blatant on certain issues. Being reserved and balanced on every single issue is translated as weakness.

Pakistan should continue what it started. Absolutely and unequivocally stand shoulder to shoulder with China. Continue to invest all efforts into making CPEC a grand success. Tackle obstacles like BLA, Sindhudesh and PTM with brute force. No cowering or apologies to Western propaganda. Confront those that provide safehavens and refuge to PTM and BLA terrorists. Confront the bad apples domestically. Be it libtards in universities, judges in supreme courts or opposition in asemblies. We haven't done any of this. It has been appeasment from the get go. Appease a little here and appease a little there to keep everyone happy. Not everyone can be kept happy. Neither should everyone be kept happy.

Most importantly, Pakistan needs to call out its core policies on the world stage unapologetically. The state has lacked severely in projecting core interests and narrative where other nations have exploited our indeterminate and often undecided stance on issues. I applaud the PTI government for calling a spade a spade. Saudis and their partners in crime needed to be told in no uncertain terms how Pakistan views the Kashmir conflict. There is no ambiguity.
 
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Would it be a fair assessment to claim that KSA is pulling its support on Kashmir due to US insistence? The US is after all the main sponsor of Hindustan and has a lot of influence over KSA. The Saudi kingdom is essentially relying for its existence on US support. Has the US used its leverage to pressure Pakistan behind the scene and support its lackey India?

It is clear as daylight that KSA has favored India over Pakistan in the Kashmir conflict. Pakistan had to repay the 1 billion Saudi loan after Pakistan began insisting that Saudi Arabia play its role to garner support from the Islamic world on the Kashmir issue. As we know the loan was part of a wider package offered initially when the PTI government came into power. Our foreign reserves were dwindling and the trade deficit was in an unhealthy shape. It is also true that in May this year the Saudis suspended the oil credit facility which was also part of a wider package. Pakistan had to repay the loan in full. Tensions were already visible and building up.

Saudi and Pak relations deteriorated rapidly, starting in February when Saudis blatantly turned down a request by Pakistan to hold a meeting of Foreign Ministers of the OIC. Pakistan did not back down and kept insisting to use the OIC to pressure India on the Kashmir issue. Very important to note, it was at this crucial moment that Saudi Arabia decided to call in the loan.

It is no secret to KSA how Kashmir is at the core of Pakistan India conflict. The Kashmir conflict far outweighs any other issue on Pak agenda. Both Pakistan and India have fought multiple wars over Kashmir. Yet, the Saudis have ignored to pay any heed to such sensitivity. Shah Mahmood Qureshi, has continued to openly demand that KSA convene an OIC council meeting. Such a blatant move on Pakistan's part is too unprecedented. Pakistan usually has a habit of keeping a lid on things. By calling out KSA in such an open manner, Pakistan has defied their silenced modus operandi. Recently in a TV interview, Qureshi went as far as demanding an OIC meeting. Failure to do so would result in a meeting between like-minded countries such as Iran and Turkey who stand with Pakistan on the Kashmir conflict.

Where does this leave the 20 billion MoU signed earlier between KSA and Pakistan? This includes the 10 billion oil refinery deal at Gwadar. Can we assume that KSA and Pak relations have now become hostage to Indian and US meddling? Is KSA unwilling to take Pakistan's side in the Kashmir conflict? Let alone the wider conflict between Pak and China versus Hindustan. Was the Saudi assistance package a carrot from the beginning to kowtow US and Saudi demands?

As mentioned earlier, Saudi Arabia is dependent on the US, which is also applying covert pressure on Saudi Arabia to stay away from Chinese initiatives. Has KSA chosen a side by taking such a bold stance? After all picking a side in the Kashmir conflict is something that won't be forgotten that easily. I am a sceptic, but would it be fair to conclude that economic ties between the Saudis and India are also a driving factor in change of heart towards Pakistan?

Whatever the experts say, KSA has been less forthcoming to extend support to Pakistan's stance on Kashmir. KSA has traditionally supported Pakistan primarily due to Pakistan's close proximity with rival Iran. Pakistan is also home to world's largest Shiite minority outside of Iran. Surely KSA has taken all these factors into account, yet chosen the Indian side. Should Pakistan change its stance even if KSA decided to placate Pakistan's demands in other less meaningful ways? We know that the Saudis will come back because papa America will play its behind-the-scenes dubious role. Papa America cannot live with or without Pakistan.

How should Pakistan navigate these troubled waters? Should it apply a similar unconventional response by going through with a meeting between like-minded countries? After all, there should be zero compromise on Kashmir. Is it time for Pakistan to leave OIC? Some might argue that this will leave a void for India to fill. Yet, the grouping of like-minded countries is not a terrible idea in these uncertain times. In a day and age where new grand alliances are order of the day, such a move would be rewarding in the longer term?
house of saud will be the first who pay tribute to dajjal than every other dollar economy will follow.
 
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house of saud will be the first who pay tribute to dajjal than every other dollar economy will follow.

We often blame Iran for siding with India. Yet, Iran was the country which ditched Hindustan without a second thought. Be it for their own interests.

The Saudis which we often claim as our dearest ally backstabbed us on Kashmir as hard as it could. No two ways about it. Iran loudly and unapologetically supports Pakistan's Kashmir stance. You have to be blind to not see the difference.

Let's be unapologetic about another very important thing. Iran, Turkey, Pakistan, China, CAS and all other friendly nations around the world need to join hands and declare a union. A military and trade union that is unapologetic in its goals and objectives. Announce the union and its agenda on a megaphone.
 
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Time to break free for Pak....

It's the time to go back to the roots...

When Sultan Ghori ordered his top commander Kutubeddin Aybek to conquer Hindustan did he ask any desert tribal leaders for permission? For the best of the Muslims from the Hijaz had already migrated out to spread the Din!! Or, when Fatih Sultan Mehmet Han decided to conquer Istanbul did he have anything to ask from the Arab leaders then?? For those Arabs were about to be conquered by the Catholics to be turned into the Catholics! Sultan Selim put a stop to the westward expeditions to secure the Muslim heartlands....
 
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Bro SA,UAE Egypt and other gulf states are all US puppets. Their sole survival to their fiefdoms is because of the West. Gone are days of late King Faisal, its time to stick to our true friends China and Turkey.
It's mostly MBZ and MBS' fear of Islamic democracy against their tyranny. That's why both UAE and Saudi Arabia were happy with Russian intervention in Syria, overthrew the Muslim Brotherhood and help a dictator rise to power in Libya once again and finance him massively to get an a$$ whooping by Turkey.
 
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I don't know if this is sarcasm or not. If it is, it's a good one.
I'm serious, those of the UAE think their leaders have developed their countries to what it is and without them they would be a poorer state like Bahrain. I was told this by my friends from UAE in Germany.
 
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I'm serious, those of the UAE think their leaders have developed their countries to what it is and without them they would be a poorer state like Bahrain. I was told this by my friends from UAE in Germany.
Of course the guy who doesn't live in UAE will say that.
 
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Time to break free for Pak....

It's the time to go back to the roots...

When Sultan Ghori asked his top commander Kutubeddin Aybek to conquer Hindustan did he ask any desert tribal leaders for permission? For the best of the Muslims from the Hijaz had already migrated out to spread the Din!! Or, when Fatih Sultan Mehmet Han decided to conquer Istanbul did he have anything to ask from the Arab leaders then?? For those Arabs were about to be conquered by the Catholics to be turned into the Catholics! Sultan Selim put a stop to the westward expeditions to secure the Muslim heartlands....

Absolutely. The core.
 
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Time to break free for Pak....

It's the time to go back to the roots...

When Sultan Ghori ordered his top commander Kutubeddin Aybek to conquer Hindustan did he ask any desert tribal leaders for permission? For the best of the Muslims from the Hijaz had already migrated out to spread the Din!! Or, when Fatih Sultan Mehmet Han decided to conquer Istanbul did he have anything to ask from the Arab leaders then?? For those Arabs were about to be conquered by the Catholics to be turned into the Catholics! Sultan Selim put a stop to the westward expeditions to secure the Muslim heartlands....

The same Saudi Arabia has also prevented Pakistan from holding meetings between like-minded nations. Saudi Arabia has also demanded Pakistan to repatriate Nawaz Sharif to the kingdom. You wonder if this relationship is even detrimental for Pakistan.
 
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