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Has Imran Khan been pushed into a blind alley?

What is fair election? Did we had fair election in every single NA seat in past?
Hence I said Pakistanis dont even know a thing about it? So dont you think raising awareness should be supported?
Who will decide whether overall election was fair or not? The one who lose in election? IK?
Well no how about the many people who claimed that they voted for him or the many foreigners who didnt have the ability to vote? How about all the people who agree and all the testimonies to videos of people being shown to be throwing in more than 1 vote? How about all that surfaced slowly over a period of months?

Why PPP , PML(Q) are not crying about rigging as much as IK?
Are you asking me about people who dont even know the meaning of HAQ and dusroun ka haq khanay mein shouk rakhtay hain? PPP tou bhar mein jai! Seriously that party should be ashamed of even calling itself anything related to Pakistan after what it has done to Pakistan over the course of many years!

IK dont have problem with election where he won the seats.Let assume for argument sake that its first time in history rigging took place in Punjab(leave sindh/karachi/KPK/Baluchistan aside) and IK was the first political leader who suffered because of rigging

You guys should read the article and should respond according to it instead of writing emotional speeches. Writer talking about plans and approach of IK that he seem confuse about his plans and objective and about how he want to achieve them.
Half the stories newspapers are publishing are questioning him nothing wrong with that...but I am not going emotional when I am answering

Can you tell us about how he will bring change in election procedures with these jalsa and Dharna?
Maybe by the very fact that he did these Jalsas and explained what happened to the votes of the people and telling them it is their right if they wish to question it or argue on it! That is democracy my friend! Your rights are yours why be afraid to use them?

OK PML(N) is corrupt government so how IK will overthrow their government in constitutional way ? What are his future plans/options because it seem he is not happy with election commission/chief justice and whoever dont agree with him ?
Are you happy with any of them?
Do he or his supporters come on street with no plans or objectives in their minds? I will ask you guys to read the article again instead of assuming it anti-Imran

DUBAI: Political analysts within and outside the country are confused over the decision of PTI chief Imran Khan to go for what he calls the “final blow” to the Nawaz Sharif government on August 14 because there is apparently no legal or constitutional way to do so, except through extra-constitutional means.
I believe you have your answer right here!
And if Khan is gathering one million angry people before parliament just to announce that he may be quitting the big House or dissolving his own desperately-needed political and administrative base in Peshawar, it still does not achieve his objective of ousting Nawaz.
Likewise, if he wants to sit before the Presidency and parliament until Nawaz quits, that also may not happen, if the Sharif brothers do not panic and follow the cool like cucumber Asif Zardari, who endured Tahir Qadri’s long march and sit-in for many icy cold days while sitting in his Bilawal Fort in Karachi.
Nawaz also has a similar hideout in Raiwind and he has re-established contact with Mr Zardari for advice.
Really asking a crook for advice...is that what it is reduced to?

So what is up Khan’s sleeve as in recent TV interviews his tone and language have become harsher and aggravated but he has not divulged anything that may make sense to his followers or those watching him everywhere.
There is, of course, one conspiracy theory, which if it has any substance at all, could be the key to the success of the million man march of PTI. That theory is a big question: Has Imran reached a secret understanding with the Establishment and will it act if the streets of Punjab and Islamabad go out of control?
What sort of a question is that? Conspiracy theory indeed!
There is just about zero chance that Khan has received any such assurance or understanding.And if he drives the situation to a shootout, which spins out of the control of civilians, then there is a chance that the army may be called in “in aid of the civilian authority”, but that does not help Khan in any way. So what is his plan?
Seriously making this another Lahore case? Is that the best news you could find?
Obviously, someone has pushed the PTI leader into a blind alley. If the objective is to overthrow Nawaz Sharif by street agitation and force, then a coalition of PTI and Dr Qadri and all other victims of the PML-N may gang up. But that would only be for someone else’s benefit.
Err whose?
As whispers in the drawing rooms of Islamabad continue, a Plan-B is already in place if the politicians fail and indulge in a do or die battle.
Who talked about such a battle in the first place?
That Plan-B would, of course, not include any politician and may depend on technocrats and experts and self-servers who are always ready to join extra-constitutional set-ups.
But this Plan-B will go against what Imran Khan has been repeatedly saying; that he does not want to derail democracy.For Nawaz the political options are many. He can defuse the situation by ordering a recounting of ballots in a few constituencies and if there is evidence of rigging, to cancel the polls in these constituencies and order by-elections. All this would be within the Constitution and will not provide any excuse to the Plan-B supporters to move in.
So what is stopping NS from recounts if he is soo sure he didnt rig anything?

Imran may then demand mid-term polls and that could be avoided through many ways. But a million man march on August 14, or more deadlines given on that date would only annoy the PTI followers and also make the big Khan look like an amateur as it is now becoming a routine that he gathers people and when the balloon gets big to explode, he gets cold feet.
Hmmm...media feeding people second thoughts is really sad..

Of course, the result of Zarb-e-Azb would play a key role in the politics of deadlines and street shows. If the army is able to clean up the NWA and the IDPs start returning, as was done in Swat, the Establishment may feel a bit easier and allow the politics of instability. But if things get worse, when and if the TTP blowback comes hard on cities and urban centres, again the civilian government will come under pressure.
Really?
By that logic more intervention of the Khakis may be needed in civilian matters and this creeping coup, although it is constitutional and invited by the civilians, may finally end up in a rough deal for all.
So the Khan has to decide how and through which way he will deliver the final blow on August 14, the day Pakistan was born. The roadmap is not there yet but it is pretty hard for him to get out of this corner that he has pushed himself in.And by the way, going for million man marches again and again and failing to give a clear direction will not play well with the exhausted PTI workers and supporters.
Has Imran Khan been pushed into a blind alley? - thenews.com.pk
Not sure what this article was about ...was it soo hard for the journalist to say ...we dont have clue what the march is about coz no one has leaked it out yet?

In any "democracy" if a certain number of people are not satisfied, some form of adjustment is made ...how hard is that to understand? Oh wait people shouldnt voice out is Pakistani politic's theme!
 
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Hence I said Pakistanis dont even know a thing about it? So dont you think raising awareness should be supported?
Well no how about the many people who claimed that they voted for him or the many foreigners who didnt have the ability to vote? How about all the people who agree and all the testimonies to videos of people being shown to be throwing in more than 1 vote? How about all that surfaced slowly over a period of months?

Are you asking me about people who dont even know the meaning of HAQ and dusroun ka haq khanay mein shouk rakhtay hain? PPP tou bhar mein jai! Seriously that party should be ashamed of even calling itself anything related to Pakistan after what it has done to Pakistan over the course of many years!

Half the stories newspapers are publishing are questioning him nothing wrong with that...but I am not going emotional when I am answering

Maybe by the very fact that he did these Jalsas and explained what happened to the votes of the people and telling them it is their right if they wish to question it or argue on it! That is democracy my friend! Your rights are yours why be afraid to use them?

Are you happy with any of them?


14 Ausgust Jalsa is just there for awareness of public and shedding tear for IK? so what next after awareness? How wrong things will change towards right direction for IK and his supporters ? any vision/plans/idea? He is repeating same thing agaisn and again in every single jalsa since last year after losing the election and people still need awareness. There is enough awareness if we try to open any tv channel and watch news and speeches/debate of IK and PTI leaders with leaders of opposite political parties and there is no need to attend jalsa or dhrana in every city to block roads and waste money and time and then achieve nothing in the end. Proper platform is in assembly or where legislation are being made.
 
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14 Ausgust Jalsa is just there for awareness of public and shedding tear for IK? so what next after awareness?
Not that Jalsa but his endless jalsay that you were questioning was raising awareness and updating on the progress of what has or had happened!

How wrong things will change towards right direction for IK and his supporters ? any vision/plans/idea? He is repeating same thing agaisn and again in every singel jalsa since last year after losing election and people still need awareness.
Yes! People need to be waken up! They need to hear it that it is their right to vote, it is their right to question the system, it is their right to choose a politician who will bring them to good!

There is enough awareness if we try to open any tv channel and watch news and speeches/debate of IK and PTI leaders with leaders of opposite political parties and there is no need to attend jalsa or dhrana in every city to block roads and waste money and time and then achieve nothing in the end. Proper platform is in assembly or where legislation are being made.
Yes, how many have tv...what about load shedding? What about differentiating the mirch masalah in the news? I clearly rememebr then thread on the Karachi airport attacks...the Indian were blamed for their weapons...the Factor 8 the "reliable media" showed was a cancer medicine and in their written news they wrote the word vaccine! How much of that news tells us anything for awareness?
 
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14 Ausgust Jalsa is just there for awareness of public and shedding tear for IK? so what next after awareness? How wrong things will change towards right direction for IK and his supporters ? any vision/plans/idea? He is repeating same thing agaisn and again in every single jalsa since last year after losing the election and people still need awareness. There is enough awareness if we try to open any tv channel and watch news and speeches/debate of IK and PTI leaders with leaders of opposite political parties and there is no need to attend jalsa or dhrana in every city to block roads and waste money and time and then achieve nothing in the end. Proper platform is in assembly or where legislation are being made.
Papu!
Its not a jalsa!
It s the begening of the end of damocrazy, noora cray?
& maybe the begening of the real democracy in pakistan!
 
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What is fair election?


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Trust me, all noora league's gullu butts will wonder about this their whole life. Because the term "fair elections" is something alien to them and will always remain so. I should have stopped reading your crap right after this sentence.


What a sheer nonsense. Your entire argument is based on whether we ever had fair election at any single NA seat in past or not. Lets say we didn't. Now what? You want to stay same and keep doing the same mistake endless times for so many years to come? Good luck with that. No wonders you guys want to stay slaves of Sharif Family for all years of your miserable lives. Keep supporting Ganjas, then their kids, and then their grand kids as your leaders.
 
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:rofl:

Trust me, all noora league's gullu butts will wonder about this their whole life. Because the term "fair elections" is something alien to them and will always remain so. I should have stopped reading your crap right after this sentence.


What a sheer nonsense. Your entire argument is based on whether we ever had fair election at any single NA seat in past or not. Lets say we didn't. Now what? You want to stay same and keep doing the same mistake endless times for so many years to come? Good luck with that. No wonders you guys want to stay slaves of Sharif Family for all years of your miserable lives. Keep supporting Ganjas, then their kids, and then their grand kids as your leaders.
You wont understand friend, noora grand kids have promissed to give thier slaves samsung note, 3 with gear? Lolzz
 
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You wont understand friend, noora grand kids have promissed to give thier slaves samsung note, 3 with gear? Lolzz


That will be too much for them, they will happily give their next three generations in Sharif family's slavery for Galaxy note 3 that too with gear.

Last I checked, they were offering slavery for just one qeemay wala naan and a darshan of Maryam Nawaz. :lol:
 
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are you an MQM member?



He is a Punjabi Pathan from my biradari :)
No.

But PTI ans make fun of every politcal party, noon, mqm with funny pics, O decided to use immi or mock him time to time. He's no saint.

I hate all parties.
 
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Papu!
Its not a jalsa!
It s the begening of the end of damocrazy, noora cray?
& maybe the begening of the real democracy in pakistan!
end of damocrazy ? how he is going to end this democrazy? thats what i wanted to know and thats what op is all about but it seem ptians are also confused just like their leader and has no clue ..keep dreaming

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Trust me, all noora league's gullu butts will wonder about this their whole life. Because the term "fair elections" is something alien to them and will always remain so.
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I know your definition of " fair election". Any election that lead to victory of Ik would be fair election .Most independent observers including those from Europe concluded that elections were by and large representative. I am sure some irregularities and minor rigging went on as happens in all developing countries but the overall election results would largely be the same. It is a fact that all independent international surveys (IRI, Gallup and Economist) foretasted PML-N victory in May 2013 elections so it was not a surprise even though IK is still in shock. If PTI loses next elections even after reforms then they will demand more reforms that suit their needs. Imrans agenda for progress, development and betterment of the party for the next five years: weeping :D
 
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end of damocrazy ? how he is going to end this democrazy? thats what i wanted to know and thats what op is all about but it seem ptians are also confused just like their leader and has no clue ..keep dreaming


I know your definition of " fair election". Any election that lead to victory of Ik would be fair election .Most independent observers including those from Europe concluded that elections were by and large representative. I am sure some irregularities and minor rigging went on as happens in all developing countries but the overall election results would largely be the same. It is a fact that all independent international surveys (IRI, Gallup and Economist) foretasted PML-N victory in May 2013 elections so it was not a surprise even though IK is still in shock. If PTI loses next elections even after reforms then they will demand more reforms that suit their needs. Imrans agenda for progress, development and betterment of the party for the next five years: weeping :D


Go check votes verifications of NA-118 Lahore, 50,000 unidentified votes, 40,000 without stamps, 25,000 fake votes. Is this called by and large representative elections?

And quit your anti IK mantra in every post, I can drag your masters (Sharif family) in every post too, but I am not gonna do that because I don't give a fock about them. PTI has lots a lot of seats, but they are demanding votes verification in only 4 constituencies. PTI also lost on two seats vacated by Imran Khan in by-election, but PTI accepted the defeat. That means, PTI is only alleging of rigging where they are sure about it. PTI even published a white paper of 22,000 papers about rigging with solid proofs. If you Nutt-League are so sure that elections were by and large fair then what is stopping you guys from opening up these 4 constituencies. Oh, I think one needs to have some balls to take such decisions, but no your eunuch like masters don't have those in their assets.

Now either grow up and update yourself with facts or keep fooling around.
 
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Go check votes verifications of NA-118 Lahore, 50,000 unidentified votes, 40,000 without stamps, 25,000 fake votes. Is this called by and large representative elections?

And quit your anti IK mantra in every post, I can drag your masters (Sharif family) in every post too, but I am not gonna do that because I don't give a fock about them. PTI has lots a lot of seats, but they are demanding votes verification in only 4 constituencies. PTI also lost on two seats vacated by Imran Khan in by-election, but PTI accepted the defeat. That means, PTI is only alleging of rigging where they are sure about it. PTI even published a white paper of 22,000 papers about rigging with solid proofs. If you Nutt-League are so sure that elections were by and large fair then what is stopping you guys from opening up these 4 constituencies. Oh, I think one needs to have some balls to take such decisions, but no your eunuch like masters don't have those in their assets.

Now either grow up and update yourself with facts or keep fooling around.
Stop weeping. I know it hurt you when people criticise the naive approach of your master IK but they cannot shut their mouth just for aqeedat you feel for IK/PTI. Its free world and not everyone has same blind aqeedat for Ik. 14 august is not far and we will see what change he will bring and how ?
 
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Stop weeping. I know it hurt you when people criticise the naive approach of your master IK but they cannot shut their mouth just for aqeedat you feel for IK/PTI. Its free world and not everyone has same blind aqeedat for Ik. 14 august is not far and we will see what change he will bring and how ?


Diverting from the topic and resorting to personal attacks as always, how cute.. :rofl:
 
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Diverting from the topic and resorting to personal attacks as always, how cute.. :rofl:
Now dont be a cry baby. you started it by calling nawaz as my master because of criticising childish IK..why complain when get taste of your own medicine?
 
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Imran khan is on political suicidal mission, let us see when he embraces "political shahdat"
 
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