Haqqani Network enjoys sanctuary in Pakistan, claims US commander

[padamchen]

Exactly, on the surface you may think the same features and all. But smaller nuances; mannerisms and behaviour helps identify it clearly .

That IS fascinating. Coz unlike the IB between India and Pakistan, the borders on the Afghanistan and Bangladesh sides have been traditionally extremely porous with unfettered free movement of people for decades. One would think all that you mentioned would have over time gotten more "homogenised".

 

[SQ8]

That IS fascinating. Coz unlike the IB between India and Pakistan, the borders on the Afghanistan and Bangladesh sides have been traditionally extremely porous with unfettered free movement of people for decades. One would think all that you mentioned would have over time gotten more "homogenised".

Not exactly. The exposure of the rest of India on IB and the same in Pakistan creates a sub culture that is distinguishable. In addition, the attitude of the people themselves gets more nationalistic(state orientated) rather than purely ethnic.

 

[padamchen]

Not exactly. The exposure of the rest of India on IB and the same in Pakistan creates a sub culture that is distinguishable. In addition, the attitude of the people themselves gets more nationalistic(state orientated) rather than purely ethnic.

That is actually what I meant in a way. That the "mainland" would exert cultural and nationalistic influence on border lying portioned populaces. And that in the case of Punjabi and Sindhi populaces along the India Pakistan IB it would lead to the development of new sub populaces distinct from the other side of the I-B, where 70 years earlier they were not and indistinguishable. Such might not be the case on the Afghanistan and Bangladesh IBs because the populaces on either side have been less cloistered thanks to way more porous borders and easier (though illegal) movement of people. And with people you have some movement of cultural influences as well. Hence given enough time (and volume), homogenisation. Hope that explains further.

 

[SQ8]

That is actually what I meant in a way. That the "mainland" would exert cultural and nationalistic influence on border lying portioned populaces. And that in the case of Punjabi and Sindhi populaces along the India Pakistan IB it would lead to the development of new sub populaces distinct from the other side of the I-B, where 70 years earlier they were not and indistinguishable. Such might not be the case on the Afghanistan and Bangladesh IBs because the populaces on either side have been less cloistered thanks to way more porous borders and easier (though illegal) movement of people. And with people you have some movement of cultural influences as well. Hence given enough time (and volume), homogenisation. Hope that explains further.

Actually, with the AFG border ; despite its porousness , it is easier to head towards the Punjab rather than the other way around. Then , the period of Ranjit Singh's rule also had an impact.

 

[Pakistanisage]

US , India and Afghanistan are giving sanctuary to TTP. Even if Pakistan does provide sanctuary to " Haqaanis " (which is highly dubious and doubtful), this could be " quid pro quo " from Pakistan's perspective.

 

[padamchen]

Actually, with the AFG border ; despite its porousness , it is easier to head towards the Punjab rather than the other way around. Then , the period of Ranjit Singh's rule also had an impact.

Actually a comment from @lastofthepatriots got me thinking.

He seems to be a Punjabi and says that now (after 70 years) he cannot understand what Punjabis from our side are speaking. I think he calls it "sanskritized" Punjabi. Which is funny because Sanskrit is a dead tongue. Not to mention that Punjabi like most other Indo-Aryan tongues comes from Sanskrit.

I think what you are referring to is movement of Pashtuns within Pakistan (?) when you refer to movement towards Punjab vs in the opposite direction, whereas I was speaking more of the movement of people of similar ethnicity across the (relatively) new borders.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

US , India and Afghanistan are giving sanctuary to TTP. Even if Pakistan does provide sanctuary to " Haqaanis " (which is highly dubious and doubtful), this could be " quid pro quo " from Pakistan's perspective.

Are You claiming that TTP is based in the areas under Afghan government control.
One would think it is more natural if TTP which is really not much different from the Taliban
Haqqani etc, would be based in areas outside government control, and thus not given sanctuary.

 

[LeGenD]

The policy of blame-game and tit-for-tat should be replaced with that of true cooperation in the battlefield. I hope that the incoming Trump administration would do something constructive about it.

 

[Indus Falcon]

So does Mullah Fazlullah in Afghanistan...

Our impotent govt never highlights this particular issue. Why?

 

[Pakistanisage]

Are You claiming that TTP is based in the areas under Afghan government control. One would think it is more natural if TTP which is really not much different from the Taliban
Haqqani etc, would be based in areas outside government control, and thus not given sanctuary.

Let us be honest. Where do you think TTP gets its financing from ? From India funneled through Afghan intelligence, most likely. Haqqanis, who are natives of Afghanistan use the drug money to finance their activities, but TTP is not native to Afghanistan. They have to be propped up by foreign funds.

The whole TTP operation is managed and run by Afghan Intelligence ( fully supported by India and to some extent the good ole US of A ). We know this through the confessions of the captured TTP.

 

[maximuswarrior]

So what else is new. The Haqqani group has sympathisers within the population as a large section of rural west Pakistan believes them to be freedom fighters. One cannot eliminate people who move in and out of Afghan refugee camps just like that, which is why the Afghanis have to go. With no Afghan left in Pakistan, there will be greater places where groups such as the Haqqanis will start standing out among the population.

Exactly. General John Nicholson is going to facilitate the repatriation of millions of Afghans inside Pakistan. That's if he is genuinely serious about resolving the Haqqani problem.

Other than that, General John Nicholson ought to know that Afghanistan is of no importance to Pakistan. We will build a fence, repatriate Afghans and secure our land from this cancer. An opium infested land that only knows how to export AK-47s and instability to Pakistan. Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Let us be honest. Where do you think TTP gets its financing from ? From India funneled through Afghan intelligence, most likely. Haqqanis, who are natives of Afghanistan use the drug money to finance their activities, but TTP is not native to Afghanistan. They have to be propped up by foreign funds.

The whole TTP operation is managed and run by Afghan Intelligence ( fully supported by India and to some extent the good ole US of A ). We know this through the confessions of the captured TTP.

After Torture?
Could be money from Pakistan to Talibans which is funneled to TTP as well.