HAL LUH| Updates and Discussions

[fockewulf190]

Seems like it do not have an ids like dhruv

 

[bananarepublic]

I am gonna praise India on its Helicopter Manufacturing Capabilities. It has significantly advanced I just wanted to know that is all of HAL and LUH components being manufactured in India.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Seems like it do not have an ids like dhruv

It is not in operational service right now so naturaly no IDS, when it enters service such things will be added- it is a simple enough process to do so.

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Engine Groun Run (EGR) has taken place then but the first flight is 5 months behind schedule and counting.



She does look pretty though

 

[mkb95]

LUH ground test vehicle

The vehicle is used to assess the helicopter’s subsystems and the structural integrity and whirl characteristics of the rotors, blades and drive train before the flight tests begin.

The non-flying Ground Test Vehicle undergoes rigorous testing of the rotor blades, transmission, engines and all subsystems while anchored to the ground.

The LUH is slated to take to the skies in the coming weeks

 

[fsayed]

LUH ground test vehicle

The vehicle is used to assess the helicopter’s subsystems and the structural integrity and whirl characteristics of the rotors, blades and drive train before the flight tests begin.

The non-flying Ground Test Vehicle undergoes rigorous testing of the rotor blades, transmission, engines and all subsystems while anchored to the ground.

The LUH is slated to take to the skies in the coming weeks

Very good news jai hind

 

[Guynextdoor2]

LUH ground test vehicle

The vehicle is used to assess the helicopter’s subsystems and the structural integrity and whirl characteristics of the rotors, blades and drive train before the flight tests begin.

The non-flying Ground Test Vehicle undergoes rigorous testing of the rotor blades, transmission, engines and all subsystems while anchored to the ground.

The LUH is slated to take to the skies in the coming weeks

You sure it's 'weeks'? I feel like this phase alone might require months of tests no?

It is not in operational service right now so naturaly no IDS, when it enters service such things will be added- it is a simple enough process to do so.



Engine Groun Run (EGR) has taken place then but the first flight is 5 months behind schedule and counting.



She does look pretty though

This is 'only' 5 montsh behind schedule, unlike ALH which was originally several years behind schedule. ANd the story will be the same, once she flies they'll order by the hundreds. I think lot more private sector involvement is needed here, else the pipeline will be choked for decades.

 

[Abingdonboy]

This is 'only' 5 montsh behind schedule, unlike ALH which was originally several years behind schedule. ANd the story will be the same, once she flies they'll order by the hundreds. I think lot more private sector involvement is needed here, else the pipeline will be choked for decades.

HAL is actually already building a dedicated LUH production facility that is to be able to churn 60 LUH/year which isn't bad at all. But yes, I would seriosuly like to see a private company get more of these full-system production contracts- not just sub-assemblies. This is why I was really pi$$ed about the GoI selecting the KA-226T AND allowing HAL to build them. As @Nilgiri said, this GoI seems like it wants to keep all sides "happy".

That said, to adress what you said above sir, I am pretty certain the KA-226T will be the casualty, it is already running stupidly behind schedule as far as getting into Indian service. And it looks like it could, at most, beat the HAL LUH into service by a matter of months (and not years as was orginally going to be the case) and thus the HAL LUH is going to come out on top in the long term. The one thing the KA-226T had going for it was that it was a matured design and could be put into service ASAP, take this advantadge away and there is almost nothing going in its favour and I think the biggest issue for the KA-226T vis a vis the HAL LUH is that it has 2 engines to the LUH's 1. That's double the required spares, maintainence, replacements etc- over a fleet of 200+ this is a HUGE addtional cost that the LUH just won't have. The IA/IAF never wanted a twin engined design- they won't be operating over the water (like the IN) and have been operating the single engined Cheetah/Cheetak just fine over the years.

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[Guynextdoor2]

HAL is actually already building a dedicated LUH production facility that is to be able to churn 60 LUH/year which isn't bad at all. But yes, I would seriosuly like to see a private company get more of these full-system production contracts- not just sub-assemblies. This is why I was really pi$$ed about the GoI selecting the KA-226T AND allowing HAL to build them. As @Nilgiri said, this GoI seems like it wants to keep all sides "happy".

Thar said, to adress what you said above sir, I am pretty certain the KA-226T will be the casualty, it is already running stupidly behind schedule as far as getting into Indian service. And it looks like it could, at most, beat the HAL LUH into service by a matter of months (and not years as was orginally going to be the case) and thus the HAL LUH is going to come out on top in the long term. The one thing the KA-226T had going for it was that it was a matured design and could be put into service ASAP, take this advantadge away and there is almost nothing going in its favour and I think the biggest issue for the KA-226T vis a vis the HAL LUH is that it has 2 engines to the LUH's 1. That's double the required spares, maintainence, replacements etc- over a fleet of 200+ this is a HUGE addtional cost that the LUH just won't have. The IA/IAF never wanted a twin engined design- they won't be operating over the water (like the IN) and have been operating the single engined Cheetah/Cheetak just fine over the years.

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Or maybe while in the same class, the uses of the KT might be different? Form what I gather a coaxial rotor config give more powerful vertical lift, so maybe the reason it is still in the fray is because of some specialized role people are considering it for?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Or maybe while in the same class, the uses of the KT might be different? Form what I gather a coaxial rotor config give more powerful vertical lift, so maybe the reason it is still in the fray is because of some specialized role people are considering it for?

Perhaps and I've had a few discussions on this issue and the only credible explanation I have heard is that the Ka-226Ts will be devouted mostly to the North and NE but crucially not for military roles so much as for supporting the BRO in the creation of strategic infrastruture as well as supporting other critical infrastruture devlopment of these under-devloped areas. Now this would explain the govt-govt nature of this deal however I still find it hard to beleive that almost 200 (197) helos could be put to use for this role. If that is the case though, it is a rather brillant move by the GoI and a true indication that the country has started getting its act together.

+ something interesting I have heard though is that the total IA/IAF requirement for LUHs by 2027 is around 600 which means there is the scope for a 100% repeat order for either product (HAL LUH or Ka-226T) with both being comitted to a 200 unit order (aprox) intially. The HAL LUH would be the front runner to secure that order as it stands IMHO.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Perhaps and I've had a few discussions on this issue and the only credible explanation I have heard is that the Ka-226Ts will be devouted mostly to the North and NE but crucially not for military roles so much as for supporting the BRO in the creation of strategic infrastruture as well as supporting other critical infrastruture devlopment of these under-devloped areas. Now this would explain the govt-govt nature of this deal however I still find it hard to beleive that almost 200 (197) helos could be put to use for this role. If that is the case though, it is a rather brillant move by the GoI and a true indication that the country has started getting its act together.

+ something interesting I have heard though is that the total IA/IAF requirement for LUHs by 2027 is around 600 which means there is the scope for a 100% repeat order for either product (HAL LUH or Ka-226T) with both being comitted to a 200 unit order (aprox) intially. The HAL LUH would be the front runner to secure that order as it stands IMHO.

Might be. But the reason why more private participation is needed is because HAL by itself never invests for anything beyond capacities for government contracts. To them 'export' is like....you know...something. Private players, when they see a good product will go ahead and put a lot of pressure and their own money to build export pipeline.

 

[kalibr]

i was desperately waiting for this, you can observe the finish, smooth........

 

[Abingdonboy]

Might be. But the reason why more private participation is needed is because HAL by itself never invests for anything beyond capacities for government contracts. To them 'export' is like....you know...something. Private players, when they see a good product will go ahead and put a lot of pressure and their own money to build export pipeline.

Oh for sure sir. I know it is a case of apples and oranges, but the kind of widespread marketing TATA induldges in across multiple markets (literally too many to list) puts DPSUs to shame.

I would like to think this insular culture is changing now though, HAL has apparently breifed many potential users on the LCH and LUH and some have even gone to India to get a closer look and the LCA seems to have gotten a renewed (and surprising) export push from both the GoI but also ADA/HAL.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

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Isnt she so pretty..?

I heard this an old pic from the ground test trials.

 

[kalibr]

any video guys

 

[kṣamā]

Guys a noob question, (even if I am sure this will get me booted outs) How different this is from existing Druvs that we have ?? Explanation need not be layman's version.