Hajj stampede beyond human control, 'destiny is inevitable', says top Saudi cleric

[Madali]

Habibi noor al-ayn, that's because you're just so happy to grab your ankles in front of the Americans and the British, that's just abnormal for Iranians. So they just don't trust you. I hope you can understand.... but I don't count on it.

I heard that accusation on the news. Iranians news then showed his passport and his visa on it to prove that KSA was full of lies like always.

 

[Hack-Hook]

As if we can't prove KSA lies.its mt rokn abadi passport

 

[Madali]

As if we can't prove KSA lies.its mt rokn abadi passport

It's such a useless lie. Why would he want to smuggle into Hajj? Hajj is based on quota, he could have gotten to go in a few years anyway. And if he didn't want to wait and was willing to smuggle himself in, wouldn't it have been easier to use his connections and get someone in government to help him out and give him a position on the hajj queue ahead of line?

Or think of it this way, how did he exactly smuggle into Hajj? Obviously, he didn't go by flight like normal people, since I'm sure the Saudi passport control would have stopped him (unless they are extremely incompetent and just let people randomly walk in). Now look at the map of Saudi, and tell me how did he find a route from Iran to Mecca in an illegal manner, without being detected, putting his life and his country's position at risk, so he can go to a place that is open to him in the first place?

 

[بلندر]

As if we can't prove KSA lies.its mt rokn abadi passport

and how someone like him can hide his identity !?
some KSA fans trying to cover the bitter truth about this massacre ...

 

[KTOOOOM]

It's such a useless lie. Why would he want to smuggle into Hajj? Hajj is based on quota, he could have gotten to go in a few years anyway. And if he didn't want to wait and was willing to smuggle himself in, wouldn't it have been easier to use his connections and get someone in government to help him out and give him a position on the hajj queue ahead of line?

Or think of it this way, how did he exactly smuggle into Hajj? Obviously, he didn't go by flight like normal people, since I'm sure the Saudi passport control would have stopped him (unless they are extremely incompetent and just let people randomly walk in). Now look at the map of Saudi, and tell me how did he find a route from Iran to Mecca in an illegal manner, without being detected, putting his life and his country's position at risk, so he can go to a place that is open to him in the first place?

can you show me the visa and the Saudi stamp is this a diplomatic passport

 

[FOX80]

This F**g Saudi is blaming everything is doing by God or Others..so I don't now all these rapping also who is doing..any blame for any body..Why world care this Country I don't know?

 

[Madali]

The patience of the rest of the Muslim world is also coming to an end.

Indonesia criticizes Saudi Arabia for hajj disaster response - Yahoo News

Authorities in the kingdom only granted Indonesian diplomats full access to the dead on Monday night, including forensic records like fingerprints, said Lalu Muhammad Iqbal, an official in Indonesia's Foreign Ministry. He said 46 Indonesian pilgrims died in the Mina crush, while 10 were injured and 90 remain missing.

Lukman Hakim Saifudin, Indonesia's religious affairs minister, said in a statement Monday that Indonesians did not have free access to hospitals to search for injured Indonesians.

"The Saudi Arabian government has its own regulation, tradition, culture and procedures in dealing with such cases," Saifuddin said from Mecca. "This has not allowed us enough freedom in our effort to identify" the victims.

 

[Serpentine]

can you show me the visa and the Saudi stamp is this a diplomatic passport

Saudis can not be fooling anyone around.

The former Iranian ambassador in Lebanon from 2010-2014 was one of the Iranian people who entered to Saudi fro Hajj this year. However, Saudi authorities didn't find his (real name) on the data base of Hajj visitors. He fabricated his name and I believe many other Iranians did. So how can we trust them? if an ambassador of their country broke the law then what can we expect from the rest of them?

It's not first time you people are caught lying. Embarrassing, isn't it?

 

[Madali]

Here is more from Indonesia. They mention that the security team were diverting their pilgrims from the scheduled route. It's becoming more & more obvious that the routes were closed just so that some royalty would come and do Hajj.

Indonesia questions detour preceding stampede | The Jakarta Post

Religious Affairs Minister Lukman Hakim Saifuddin said he had heard from one Indonesian survivor who had spoken to him in Saudi Arabia after the incident that a number of officials had made them go along Street 204 instead of their scheduled route of King Fahd Street, minutes before the incident took place.

“[The detour decision] is something that we are currently trying to ascertain,” Lukman said, as quoted by the Religious Affairs Ministry’s website on Saturday, as he visited survivors’ camps in Mina.

The minister said the government would formally deliver its concerns about Thursday’s lethal stampede, which is the worst haj-related disaster in the past 25 years, to the Saudi government in the expectation that it would shed light on the incident, as well as preventing such a crush from happening again in the future.

“This is fate for us and we have to accept it and learn lessons from it. We are deeply distressed by this incident, but we don’t want the same thing to recur in the future,” Lukman added.

The ministry’s inspector general, M. Jasin, said on Sunday that it would order an internal review of the haj program specifically to improve the safety of Indonesian pilgrims to Saudi Arabia following two deadly incidents during the haj this year.

- See more at: Indonesia questions detour preceding stampede | The Jakarta Post

 

[KTOOOOM]

Saudis can not be fooling anyone around.


It's not first time you people are caught lying. Embarrassing, isn't it?

1- where is the rest of the passport and Saudi stamp upon entry. you can get visa in Iran stamped too without even entering Saudi.
2- in the visa he fabricated his name. you can see for yourself he made his family name as one name (asshole trying to dodge police check oldest trick in the book how the hell this got pass the immigration office).

 

[Serpentine]

1- where is the rest of the passport and Saudi stamp upon entry. you can get visa in Iran stamped too without even entering Saudi.
2- in the visa he fabricated his name. you can see for yourself he made his family name as one name (asshole trying to dodge police check oldest trick in the book how the hell this got pass the immigration office).

You are embarrassing yourself. Just leave it.

 

[KTOOOOM]

You are embarrassing yourself. Just leave it.

your own pictures say it maybe it is lie too

 

[T-Rex]

According to the Bangladeshi hajis who were there two major roads were suddenly closed down because Prince Sulman had been there for throwing stones at Jamarah.

 

[alarabi]

According to the Bangladeshi hajis who were there two major roads were suddenly closed down because Prince Sulman had been there for throwing stones at Jamarah.

I cast doubt on it, because there is an under ground story of Jamart.... so there is no need to close any road for any person.

 

[T-Rex]

I cast doubt on it, because there is an under ground story of Jamart.... so there is no need to close any road for any person.

The logical thing is to go by what the eye witnesses have said, they were there while you speculate in order to cover up the truth.