Grossman meets kayani on NWA issue

[Safriz]

ISLAMABAD - A visiting American envoy held a crucial meeting with
Pakistan’s military chief in a low-key interaction that is said to have
largely focussed on the long contemplated full-scale military action in
North Waziristan Agency (NWA.) The meeting between Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez
Kayani and the United States Special Representative for Afghanistan
and Pakistan Marc Grossman was reportedly held at the General
Headquarters (GHQ) in the evening hours of Saturday. Earlier, the same day, Grossman denied he was in the country to get it
go for NWA operation. “No, I am here to continue the conversation we
have been having with Pakistani leaders over the past several
months,” he said in a talk show on the state-run PTV. Hesitant to share pertinent details, the security officials sounded
dismissive on discussions regarding NWA military offensive during the
Kayani-Grossman meeting while diplomatic circles confirmed that the
proposed military offensive in NWA was high on the agenda of the
two big shots. “Matters of mutual interest and peace and stability in Afghanistan
were discussed during the meeting,” the officials said. Upon inquiring,
an army brigadier said, the NWA operation “may have been discussed
in the meeting but it is a routine matter.” But, a former US diplomat now serving in an international organisation
here said the American envoy had communicated to the Pakistan’s
military chief that the US wanted an immediate launch of NWA
operation. “I guess there’s a growing feeling in Washington that Islamabad delays
the NWA military action thinking ‘there would be a change of guards
in Washington next month, so, let’s wait’,” he said, referring to the
presidential election in the US scheduled for November 6. “After the presidential poll, you know, a new administrative
arrangement would come into affect that does not necessarily have to
be the present one. So the pressure on Islamabad and all that would
lessen quite a bit after the Americans go into choosing their president,”
he said. “‘This is the right time for NWA action. The public sentiment in
Pakistan is against Taliban. Let’s not wait for this to change’, that’s what many in Washington believe,” he added. The ruling coalition in Pakistan was to move a resolution in the
National Assembly on Tuesday supporting the launch of the military
operation in North Waziristan but following intense opposition from
Pakistan Muslim league-Nawaz (PML-N), a major opposition force, the
said resolution could not be moved. Credible reports suggest that the government might introduce the said
resolution after the Eid, falling on October 27. The arrival of Grossman
and his unannounced meeting with Pakistan’s army chief appear to
have given credence to the reports of NWA offensive’s launch in the
coming days. But Grossman who, who arrived in Islamabad Saturday for talks with
political and military leaders, insisted in his TV talk, “That (launching of
NWA operation) is the decision for the Government of Pakistan and
solely for the Government of Pakistan.” The al-Qaeda-linked Haqqani network in North Waziristan, blamed for
some of the deadliest attacks in Afghanistan, is one of the thorniest
issues in relations between Islamabad and Washington. Washington
has long demanded that Pakistan take action against the Haqqanis,
whom the US also accused of attacking the US embassy in Kabul last
year and acting like a “veritable arm” of Pakistani intelligence. When asked, Grossman declined to comment on the issue of US drone
strikes, saying “it is not a topic of conversation for me”. “What I would
like to say is that Pakistanis and Americans can stand up together and
declare the end of al-Qaeda in this region. That would be a great joint
strategic effort and that I hope will come soon.” US officials say the drone strikes are a key weapon in the fight against
militants but peace campaigners condemn them as a breach of
international law. Pakistanis call them a violation of sovereignty that
breeds extremism, and politicians have accused the government of
complicity in killing its own people. Islamabad and Washington have been seeking to patch up their
fractious relationship in recent months, with Pakistan allowing the
reopening of the Nato supply route to Afghanistan, after a series of
crises in 2011 saw ties between the “war on terror” allies plunge. But
the attacks by unmanned US aircraft remain contentious and are
deeply unpopular in Pakistan. The US diplomat said the relationship between the two countries was
“certainly back on track if you compare it with last year”. “What draws
our countries together in this multi-faceted relationship is the fact that
we are both victims of terrorism”, which is a scourge and “let us fight it
together”. Grossman on Saturday also held talks with Foreign Minister Hina
Rabbani Khar which focused on a “wide range of issues of mutual
interest particularly Pakistan-US relations and the regional situation”,
according to an official statement. At the meeting held at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs “they also
expressed the commitment to continue to work together in support of
Afghan-owned and Afghan-led peace and reconciliation process and
for progress and stability in the country”. The statement said the foreign minister underlined the importance of a
broad-based relationship between Pakistan and the US marked by
deeper and wider cooperation in diverse fields, while the US envoy
highlighted his country’s commitment to a long-term relationship with
Pakistan based on mutual interest and mutual respect. They both expressed satisfaction on the progress made by the
Working Group on Law Enforcement and Counter Terrorism which
recently met in Washington DC under the bilateral Strategic Dialogue
framework. They expressed the hope that Working Groups on
Economy and Finance and Energy and Water would meet soon, the
statement said. This news was published in print paper. Access complete paper of

 

[tarrar]

As long as Pakistan is going to part of US plans, Pakistan will always continue to suffocate & struggle. Pakistan needs to free itself by cutting all ties with the US. This will end almost all the problems for Pakistan that Pakistan is facing today thanks to US.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Why do we even entertain them on this subject. This is our internal matter. If they find any one from Pakistan crossing border into afghansitan, they can deal with them as they like, and vice versa..

 

[somebozo]

Seal the border first. NWA tribes who want to migrate to Afghanistan are more welcome to do so.
We will have less Talibaboon mess to handle.

 

[laiqs@mi]

 

[CENTCOM]

As long as Pakistan is going to part of US plans, Pakistan will always continue to suffocate & struggle. Pakistan needs to free itself by cutting all ties with the US. This will end almost all the problems for Pakistan that Pakistan is facing today thanks to US.

Dear Tarrar,

These recent meetings between our government officials show that both nations clearly value each other’s cooperation. It is imperative for us to be on the same page in regards to our common goals in the region. These meetings aim to improve the level of cooperation and coordination between our nations. We are fighting the same terrorists, and it only makes sense to for us to work together to negate the threat posed by our common enemies. We restate what the U.S. Special Envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Marc Grossman, said: “What draws our countries together in this multi-faceted relationship is the fact that we are both victims of terrorism”, which is a scourge and “let us fight it together”.

LTC Taylor,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

 

[somebozo]

As long as Pakistan is going to part of US plans, Pakistan will always continue to suffocate & struggle. Pakistan needs to free itself by cutting all ties with the US. This will end almost all the problems for Pakistan that Pakistan is facing today thanks to US.

For last 60 years our millitary, intelligence and botched up governments have turned us into slaves of Iran, Gulf and Amreeka. A pet dog cannot break away into freedom..this is the situation of Pakistan today. These talibaboon are savages who only understand the languages of brutality. It is important to teach them a same less as it was taught to Russian by them. Reckless and indiscriminate bombing of any cave hiding militant. These people have got their brains damaged beyond repair, to expect sanity and rehab from them would be a foolish move.

 

[somebozo]

Dear Tarrar,

These recent meetings between our government officials show that both nations clearly value each other’s cooperation. It is imperative for us to be on the same page in regards to our common goals in the region. These meetings aim to improve the level of cooperation and coordination between our nations. We are fighting the same terrorists, and it only makes sense to for us to work together to negate the threat posed by our common enemies. We restate what the U.S. Special Envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Marc Grossman, said: “What draws our countries together in this multi-faceted relationship is the fact that we are both victims of terrorism”, which is a scourge and “let us fight it together”.

LTC Taylor,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

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The CIA again asks the NSA for part of the transcripts of calls between Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and al-Qaeda’s operations center in Yemen. The NSA has been intercepting the calls for some time (see Between May and December 1996), but refuses to share the intelligence with Alec Station, the CIA’s bin Laden unit, in usable form (see December 1996). During the calls, the al-Qaeda operatives talk in a simplistic code, but the NSA apparently does not decrypt the conversations, and only gives Alec Station meaningless summaries of the calls (see February 1996-May 1998). Without the transcripts, Alec Station cannot crack the code and figure out what the operatives are really talking about. As a result, the CIA built a duplicate ground station in the Indian Ocean, and is replicating half of the NSA’s intelligence take on the calls (see After December 1996). However, it cannot obtain the other end of the calls without a satellite. Alec Station chief Michael Scheuer will say, “We would collect it [one end of the calls], translate it, send it to NSA, and ask them for the other half of it, so we could better understand it, but we never got it.” Author James Bamford will comment: “And so the CIA, Mike Scheuer, went back to NSA and said look,… we’re able to get… half the conversations here, but we still need the other half, and NSA still wouldn’t give them the other half. I mean this is absurd, but this is what was going on.”

 

[BATMAN]

ISLAMABAD - A visiting American envoy held a crucial meeting with
Pakistan’s military chief in a low-key interaction that is said to have
largely focussed on the long contemplated full-scale military action in
North Waziristan Agency (NWA.) The meeting between Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez
Kayani and the United States Special Representative for Afghanistan
and Pakistan Marc Grossman was reportedly held at the General
Headquarters (GHQ) in the evening hours of Saturday. Earlier, the same day, Grossman denied he was in the country to get it
go for NWA operation. “No, I am here to continue the conversation we
have been having with Pakistani leaders over the past several
months,” he said in a talk show on the state-run PTV. Hesitant to share pertinent details, the security officials sounded
dismissive on discussions regarding NWA military offensive during the
Kayani-Grossman meeting while diplomatic circles confirmed that the
proposed military offensive in NWA was high on the agenda of the
two big shots. “Matters of mutual interest and peace and stability in Afghanistan
were discussed during the meeting,” the officials said. Upon inquiring,
an army brigadier said, the NWA operation “may have been discussed
in the meeting but it is a routine matter.” But, a former US diplomat now serving in an international organisation
here said the American envoy had communicated to the Pakistan’s
military chief that the US wanted an immediate launch of NWA
operation. “I guess there’s a growing feeling in Washington that Islamabad delays
the NWA military action thinking ‘there would be a change of guards
in Washington next month, so, let’s wait’,” he said, referring to the
presidential election in the US scheduled for November 6. “After the presidential poll, you know, a new administrative
arrangement would come into affect that does not necessarily have to
be the present one. So the pressure on Islamabad and all that would
lessen quite a bit after the Americans go into choosing their president,”
he said. “‘This is the right time for NWA action. The public sentiment in
Pakistan is against Taliban. Let’s not wait for this to change’, that’s what many in Washington believe,” he added. The ruling coalition in Pakistan was to move a resolution in the
National Assembly on Tuesday supporting the launch of the military
operation in North Waziristan but following intense opposition from
Pakistan Muslim league-Nawaz (PML-N), a major opposition force, the
said resolution could not be moved. Credible reports suggest that the government might introduce the said
resolution after the Eid, falling on October 27. The arrival of Grossman
and his unannounced meeting with Pakistan’s army chief appear to
have given credence to the reports of NWA offensive’s launch in the
coming days. But Grossman who, who arrived in Islamabad Saturday for talks with
political and military leaders, insisted in his TV talk, “That (launching of
NWA operation) is the decision for the Government of Pakistan and
solely for the Government of Pakistan.” The al-Qaeda-linked Haqqani network in North Waziristan, blamed for
some of the deadliest attacks in Afghanistan, is one of the thorniest
issues in relations between Islamabad and Washington. Washington
has long demanded that Pakistan take action against the Haqqanis,
whom the US also accused of attacking the US embassy in Kabul last
year and acting like a “veritable arm” of Pakistani intelligence. When asked, Grossman declined to comment on the issue of US drone
strikes, saying “it is not a topic of conversation for me”. “What I would
like to say is that Pakistanis and Americans can stand up together and
declare the end of al-Qaeda in this region. That would be a great joint
strategic effort and that I hope will come soon.” US officials say the drone strikes are a key weapon in the fight against
militants but peace campaigners condemn them as a breach of
international law. Pakistanis call them a violation of sovereignty that
breeds extremism, and politicians have accused the government of
complicity in killing its own people. Islamabad and Washington have been seeking to patch up their
fractious relationship in recent months, with Pakistan allowing the
reopening of the Nato supply route to Afghanistan, after a series of
crises in 2011 saw ties between the “war on terror” allies plunge. But
the attacks by unmanned US aircraft remain contentious and are
deeply unpopular in Pakistan. The US diplomat said the relationship between the two countries was
“certainly back on track if you compare it with last year”. “What draws
our countries together in this multi-faceted relationship is the fact that
we are both victims of terrorism”, which is a scourge and “let us fight it
together”. Grossman on Saturday also held talks with Foreign Minister Hina
Rabbani Khar which focused on a “wide range of issues of mutual
interest particularly Pakistan-US relations and the regional situation”,
according to an official statement. At the meeting held at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs “they also
expressed the commitment to continue to work together in support of
Afghan-owned and Afghan-led peace and reconciliation process and
for progress and stability in the country”. The statement said the foreign minister underlined the importance of a
broad-based relationship between Pakistan and the US marked by
deeper and wider cooperation in diverse fields, while the US envoy
highlighted his country’s commitment to a long-term relationship with
Pakistan based on mutual interest and mutual respect. They both expressed satisfaction on the progress made by the
Working Group on Law Enforcement and Counter Terrorism which
recently met in Washington DC under the bilateral Strategic Dialogue
framework. They expressed the hope that Working Groups on
Economy and Finance and Energy and Water would meet soon, the
statement said. This news was published in print paper. Access complete paper of

How do you get so much of this inside information?

 

[Safriz]

Dear Tarrar,

These recent meetings between our government officials show that both nations clearly value each other’s cooperation. It is imperative for us to be on the same page in regards to our common goals in the region. These meetings aim to improve the level of cooperation and coordination between our nations. We are fighting the same terrorists, and it only makes sense to for us to work together to negate the threat posed by our common enemies. We restate what the U.S. Special Envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Marc Grossman, said: “What draws our countries together in this multi-faceted relationship is the fact that we are both victims of terrorism”, which is a scourge and “let us fight it together”.

LTC Taylor,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

Dear sir,
If American forces agree to seal off their side of the borderwith a visible presence..Pakistan army wont have problems in Launching any operation in wazirstan..
What has been happening is that ISAF evacuates border posts as soon as PA starts an offensive in the tribal areas...
The militants simply walk across the border and take refuge there...
And keep coming back to attack pakistan army..
There is no point in launching an operation until this issue is resolved between Pakistan and ISAF of Afghanistan.

 

[BATMAN]

Pakistan army need to aquire attack helis and drones before embarking on any new troops movement.

Partners of WOT shall seriously think of supplying attack helis to Pakistan army, which can be agreed to be returned, after the completion of operation!

 

[Abingdonboy]

I thought it was the guy off Tropic thunder!!

 

[hunter_hunted]

Dear Tarrar,

These recent meetings between our government officials show that both nations clearly value each other’s cooperation. It is imperative for us to be on the same page in regards to our common goals in the region. These meetings aim to improve the level of cooperation and coordination between our nations. We are fighting the same terrorists, and it only makes sense to for us to work together to negate the threat posed by our common enemies. We restate what the U.S. Special Envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Marc Grossman, said: “What draws our countries together in this multi-faceted relationship is the fact that we are both victims of terrorism”, which is a scourge and “let us fight it together”.

LTC Taylor,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

Oh no not u again i. U r the Victims of Terrorism . U pathetic *** u are killing innocent citizens everday in drone strikes. Remember Raymond Davis ur govt promised that he will be dealt will american law what happened to him. He is roaming FREE. Remember SALALA attack. And u DEMAND us to be on same Page How PATHETIC u and ur govt are.

80% killed in these drone strikes are innocent citizens who have nothing to do with these terrorists. Y in the blue u dont strike Fazllulah and his accomplices residing in Afghanistan. And y the hell Hyrbyair Marri Khair Bakhsh Marri[Brahamdagh Khan Bugti and his BLA is not labeled Terrorists.

Do u know that we lost 40000+ souls in ur war and ruin our economy and this pathetic world dont even give us the credit we deserve and demand to do more. I wish our forefathers never had went to USA. Go back to country and defend ur constitution which obama and next President Romney are using as a toilet paper.

This is not our war dumbass. U are 7,678 miles away from Afghanistan and we are next door.

 

[Safriz]

^^^^ chill pill my friend...

 

[airmarshal]

Which Taliban. The ones fighting a foreign army or the tailor made Taliban who attack the locals for no reason?

Why should Pakistan go after Taliban in NWA when they are not fighting us? US wants to talk peace with them and wants us to fight them. The operation should be against the fake Taliban who have been created to create trouble for Pakistan inside its borders. They are hiding in Afghanistan. So US must first take actions against those fake Taliban before it ask us to do so.