Gripen E Walkaround at the Saab factory

[Liquidmetal]

Very interesting for Gripen fans:

 

[Trailer23]

One of the worst things about Pakistan Politics is that we failed to have good diplomatic relations with countries like Sweden - where Indian lobbying is been far superior.

Sure the Thunder-program has finally kicked off, but imagine the Gripen in the PAF inducted years ago.

On a lighter note, there is proposal for a Gripen EW: ‘Growler’ variant of the Gripen F.

 

[nomi007]

One of the worst things about Pakistan Politics is that we failed to have good diplomatic relations with countries like Sweden - where Indian lobbying is been far superior.

Sure the Thunder-program has finally kicked off, but imagine the Gripen in the PAF inducted years ago.

On a lighter note, there is proposal for a Gripen EW: ‘Growler’ variant of the Gripen F.

Please update ur self, we recently buy more Saab 2000 from Sweden, so diplomacy is not the problem but the money

 

[Trailer23]

Please update ur self, we recently buy more Saab 2000 from Sweden, so diplomacy is not the problem but the money

The conversation is about Gripen's...

Secondly, I was referring to years ago when Pervez Musharraf had gone to Sweden back in 2004.

“There is no question of selling them weapons or anything directly related to weapons,” Swedish Foreign Minister Laila Freivalds said after her talks with visiting Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf in Stockholm.

...and we haven't bought any new Saab's, but rather used ones (from Airlines).

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...ab-2000-aircraft.613850/page-11#post-11375220

Finally, this nonsense of 'money' has been our issue from Day 1. Whenever we're unable to get something we need, we use the 'money' card. It was the case in the past, its there today and will continue to go on.

The Saab Saab Eyrie is not a Gripen.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

The conversation is about Gripen's...

Secondly, I was referring to years ago when Pervez Musharraf had gone to Sweden back in 2004.

“There is no question of selling them weapons or anything directly related to weapons,” Swedish Foreign Minister Laila Freivalds said after her talks with visiting Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf in Stockholm.

...and we haven't bought any new Saab's, but rather used ones (from Airlines).

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...ab-2000-aircraft.613850/page-11#post-11375220

Finally, this nonsense of 'money' has been our issue from Day 1. Whenever we're unable to get something we need, we use the 'money' card. It was the case in the past, its there today and will continue to go on.

The Saab Saab Eyrie is not a Gripen.

Gripen use American engines. Do u think US would had allowed it? Some sources said US didnt wanted it to be exported to Pakistan

 

[Pandora]

One of the worst things about Pakistan Politics is that we failed to have good diplomatic relations with countries like Sweden - where Indian lobbying is been far superior.

Sure the Thunder-program has finally kicked off, but imagine the Gripen in the PAF inducted years ago.

On a lighter note, there is proposal for a Gripen EW: ‘Growler’ variant of the Gripen F.

It is not a failure but mere reality that they are a bigger market of over 1.5 billion people. Imagine you are a merchant and you are forced to make a choice between a market of 220 million and 1.5 billion people which will you choose. India is a bigger country in terms of population, land mass, resources and almost everything you cam comprehend. It is not a matter of failing diplomatically but bitter reality that we cant compete with them when it comes to being a consumer market for west.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Finally, this nonsense of 'money' has been our issue from Day 1. Whenever we're unable to get something we need, we use the 'money' card. It was the case in the past, its there today and will continue to go on.

So you are saying that we have money and we are not getting our F16s upgraded? AH 1Z is not the money issue?

 

[Haris Ali2140]

The conversation is about Gripen's...

Secondly, I was referring to years ago when Pervez Musharraf had gone to Sweden back in 2004.

“There is no question of selling them weapons or anything directly related to weapons,” Swedish Foreign Minister Laila Freivalds said after her talks with visiting Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf in Stockholm.

...and we haven't bought any new Saab's, but rather used ones (from Airlines).

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...ab-2000-aircraft.613850/page-11#post-11375220

Finally, this nonsense of 'money' has been our issue from Day 1. Whenever we're unable to get something we need, we use the 'money' card. It was the case in the past, its there today and will continue to go on.

The Saab Saab Eyrie is not a Gripen.

Would US let an F 16 customer go to gripen?

 

[Trailer23]

Gripen use American engines. Do u think US would had allowed it? Some sources said US didnt wanted it to be exported to Pakistan

The Gripen uses a Volvo RM12

 

[Haris Ali2140]

The Gripen uses a Volvo RM12

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Its basically F-404 of GE.

 

[Trailer23]

So you are saying that we have money and we are not getting our F16s upgraded? AH 1Z is not the money issue?

I'm saying the obvious that we've discussed a 100 Times in the past. In order to get F-16's and/or AH-1Z's, we gotta go through many channels. Congress being one, where there are people on both sides of the ailes that aren't too crazy about selling weapons to Pakistan. Even they were, who is to say that might back out.

Would US let an F 16 customer go to gripen?

If they aren't willing to sell us the F-16's, so what are we supposed to wait for the 'Rishta' even though its been rejected. Come on.

Pakistan: We want F-16's
US: No, you can't have 'em unless you give us, A, B, C, D, E,...
Pakistan: ...

Move on.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

The Gripen uses a Volvo RM12

View attachment 604127

Sorry my bad

 

[Trailer23]

Its basically F-404 of GE.

Okay, if that's the argument/narrative then the end result is: "You screw Thursday - You screw me Friday, its the same thing".

Americans are smart. They've got their imprint on pretty much everything. So, your options are China & Russia and put the rest to bed.

Because the US won't sell you their equipment. They won't let you buy any other (quality) equipment because there is a small bolt which has the label 'Made in USA' on it.

 

[UKBengali]

One of the worst things about Pakistan Politics is that we failed to have good diplomatic relations with countries like Sweden - where Indian lobbying is been far superior.

Sure the Thunder-program has finally kicked off, but imagine the Gripen in the PAF inducted years ago.

On a lighter note, there is proposal for a Gripen EW: ‘Growler’ variant of the Gripen F.

Why you want expensive and sanction prone Gripen E when Pakistan will soon be inducting similar capability JF-17 Block 3 at a fraction of the price?

 

[Liquidmetal]

If you want good relations with the west have good relations with Israel. That was the game changer for India and can be for PK too.