Greek media: we're now dead, Turks have mastered Rafale secrets

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The Greek media is crying. Greece procured 2nd hand Rafales coupled with new ones to have an air superiority over the TurAF! But, the Turks have preempted with the Qatar AF's Rafales!!! Now, the Turks have the electronic signatures and secrets of Rafales. Moreover, a number of Qatar AF's Rafales will be permanently staioned in Turkey...

Turkey is now adding the countermeasures into the libraries of their battle proven land, air and sea based EW & AD systems like KORAL, CAFRAD, S-400, HISAR, HAVA-SOJ etc....

*I am pretty sure the IAF Rafales are quite different beasts for the Hindutva have got brains

 

[alphapak]

They will cry even more when this bad boy is ready.

 

[Moon]

Well that was awfully quick..... Expected them to boast about it for 2 decades like our neighbors.

 

[Foinikas]

The Greek media is crying.

First of all the newspaper headline is ridiculous. It says "How Turkey is copying the fighters we are buying
They are stealing the Rafale's secrets". That's just one newspaper.

Greece procured 2nd hand Rafales coupled with new ones

Let me remind you they are not second hand cars or something. They are slightly used and well-maintained fighter jets,brought to F3R standard.

But, the Turks have preempted with the Qatar AF's Rafales!!! Now, the Turks have the electronic signatures and secrets of Rafales.

We've had the F-16 as a common aircraft for some 30 years. Did that give any advantage over us? No. Don't rush to reply,think about it. No,it didn't.

Moreover, a number of Qatar AF's Rafales will be permanently staioned in Turkey...

That is not for certain. And if the Qataris interfere in a conflict with us,the UAE and Saudi Arabia will go on the offensive. Yes,we too have signed a defence agreement,but with the UAE.

*I am pretty sure the IAF Rafales are quite different beasts for the Hindutva have got brains

Wait wait wait....are you actually saying the Hindus are better pilots than the HAF? Seriously? Like...for real?

They will cry even more when this bad boy is ready.
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When that bad boy is ready,we'll probably have all 84 F-16Vs,a full squadron of Rafales and maybe even some F-35s. When....

 

[Maula Jatt]

I loved the headline

 

[Foinikas]

I loved the headline

The op has a big imagination,the newspaper in the text-to-voice narrated video,says nothing like that. You know mainstream reporters trying to write on military issues,often fail Like you watch the news and somebody calls an APC a "tank" and you laugh because you know the difference.

 

[GumNaam]

The Greek media is crying. Greece procured 2nd hand Rafales coupled with new ones to have an air superiority over the TurAF! But, the Turks have preempted with the Qatar AF's Rafales!!! Now, the Turks have the electronic signatures and secrets of Rafales. Moreover, a number of Qatar AF's Rafales will be permanently staioned in Turkey...

Turkey is now adding the countermeasures into the libraries their battle proven land, air and sea based EW & AD systems like KORAL, CAFRAD, S-400, HISAR, HAVA-SOJ etc....

*I am pretty sure the IAF Rafales are quite different beasts for the Hindutva have got brains

Thank you Qatar!

 

[Cash GK]

Look war machines don't matter big time. It is man who matters. Forget to talk about big expensive machines. Look at guys from Afghanistan with slippers n AK 47 won the war against history's best military machine. First people need to study this.
Second come. matter between Greek n turkey. I belive turkey has historical edge on Greek. Third turkey has done quite well in 4 recent wars which they participated Syria Iraq Azerbaijan Libya. Look you can attack with big machines but on ground you need people who can fight n who are ready to give their life. Here again turkey will have edge on Greek. People will come from Afghanistan n central Asia Africa to fight for turkey. No offense to Greece I think Greece has no chance because young generation from Europe is useless when it comes to give their life for bigger case.

 

[Foinikas]

Look war machines don't matter big time. It is man who matters.

Yes and I could argue that many times,the few greeks or Armenians or Hungarians or Croats,fought back and won against the Ottomans. But let's not go there.

I belive turkey has historical edge on Greek.

Are you going to mention 1453,1922 and 1974 again? They all do. A gazillion wars and it all boils down to these three.

Third turkey has done quite well in 4 recent wars which they participated Syria Iraq Azerbaijan Libya.

They fought in Syria against rebels with no air force and few heavy artillery. And,I respect the dead soldiers,but they still lost,how many tanks? 10 Leopard 2A4s and how many M60s? Armored vehicles? And how many men lost when the Russians intervened in Idlib?
In Libya they saved the GNA from collapse,but they only had time because the LNA were waiting for days and days,trying to broker some kind of deal. In the end,when the LNA's allies intervened by air,they caused serious damage. But again,the Egyptians didn't end up getting in Libya.
NKR war? They did help Aliyev very well and that was a triumph for them. But then again...Armenia? With Pashinyan actually hintering reinforcements and weapons to Artsakh? But they do get bragging rights there.
It was an triumph of Azerbaijan and their brother,Turkey.

Look you can attack with big machines but on ground you need people who can fight n who are ready to give their life. Here again turkey will have edge on Greek. People will come from Afghanistan n central Asia Africa to fight for turkey.

But that's what you don't understand: There are many people who are willing to sacrifice their lives for their country. Many brave people and this have been proven throughout our history since anqtiquity.
Who will come from Asia and Africa to fight for Turkey? Maybe some hundreds of volunteers,but the others will be mercenaries.What will Somalis,Syrians,Libyans,Afghans do? They will have the role of light infantry. Bashi-bazuks. Maybe even cannon fodder.

No offense to Greece I think Greece has no chance because young generation from Europe is useless when it comes to give their life for bigger case.

Ok this....hmmm. You're not entirely wrong here. It's a good thing that in the Balkans the people are more conservative. Yes,there are a lot of communists,a lot of leftists and a lot of people who will say "I'm leaving the country",but thank God there are still so many who will fight for their homes and motherland.
But I get your point. Yes,the Western world has become very "soft" with all the political correctness,SJW stuff,the modern culture and LGBT movements...it's like they try to spread this thing to the entire world.

 

[Cash GK]

Yes and I could argue that many times,the few greeks or Armenians or Hungarians or Croats,fought back and won against the Ottomans. But let's not go there.

Are you going to mention 1453,1922 and 1974 again? They all do. A gazillion wars and it all boils down to these three.

They fought in Syria against rebels with no air force and few heavy artillery. And,I respect the dead soldiers,but they still lost,how many tanks? 10 Leopard 2A4s and how many M60s? Armored vehicles? And how many men lost when the Russians intervened in Idlib?
In Libya they saved the GNA from collapse,but they only had time because the LNA were waiting for days and days,trying to broker some kind of deal. In the end,when the LNA's allies intervened by air,they caused serious damage. But again,the Egyptians didn't end up getting in Libya.
NKR war? They did help Aliyev very well and that was a triumph for them. But then again...Armenia? With Pashinyan actually hintering reinforcements and weapons to Artsakh? But they do get bragging rights there.
It was an triumph of Azerbaijan and their brother,Turkey.


But that's what you don't understand: There are many people who are willing to sacrifice their lives for their country. Many brave people and this have been proven throughout our history since anqtiquity.
Who will come from Asia and Africa to fight for Turkey? Maybe some hundreds of volunteers,but the others will be mercenaries.What will Somalis,Syrians,Libyans,Afghans do? They will have the role of light infantry. Bashi-bazuks. Maybe even cannon fodder.


Ok this....hmmm. You're not entirely wrong here. It's a good thing that in the Balkans the people are more conservative. Yes,there are a lot of communists,a lot of leftists and a lot of people who will say "I'm leaving the country",but thank God there are still so many who will fight for their homes and motherland.
But I get your point. Yes,the Western world has become very "soft" with all the political correctness,SJW stuff,the modern culture and LGBT movements...it's like they try to spread this thing to the entire world.

Simple answer to all of your points brother. I have lived my half life in Europe n half in Muslim world Europen generations is busy doing parties using drugs. I have studied both generations. With big machines you can attack but you need to maintain them for that you need money. Tell me if you have enough economy as I know Greek n eu economic condition. second. Don't trust your young generation. USA lost only 3200 soldiers. We heard their screeming on skies. Muslims lost around 4 millions in last 20 years for these wars but they hardly complain about the life of human because they know wars do take life.. end result USA lost big time Syria Iraq. Both countries are under Iran. Look at Yamin. You don't have money and weapons as much as Saudi have. Saudi lost the war again against poor villagers.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Simple answer to all of your points brother. I have lived my half life in Europe n half in Muslim world Europen generations is busy doing parties using drugs. I have studied both generations. With big machines you can attack but you need to maintain them for that you need money. Tell me if your economy can do second. Don't trust your young generation. USA lost only 3200 soldiers. We heard their screeming on skies. Muslims lost around 4 millions in last 20 years for these wars but they hardly complain about the life of human because they know wars do take life.. end result USA lost big time Syria Iraq. Both countries are under Iran. Look at Yamin. You don't have money and weapons as much Saudi have. Saudi lost the war again against poor villagers.

Any nation fighting for thier nation on it's soil

Will fight like true Patriots, just human spirit

Both French or Omanis will fight like mad men if war comes to thier soil

 

[Cash GK]

No

Any nation fighting for thier nation on it's soil

Will fight like true Patriots, just human spirit

Both French or Omanis will fight like mad men if war comes to thier soil

No they will face heavy loses in early stages of war because if your young generation is not ready for war n if they doing parties n drugs. Early stages of war will bring misery for defending country.

 

[Foinikas]

Simple answer to all of your points brother. I have lived my half life in Europe n half in Muslim world Europen generations is busy doing parties using drugs. I have studied both generations. With big machines you can attack but you need to maintain them for that you need money. Tell me if you have enough economy as I know Greek n eu economic condition. second. Don't trust your young generation. USA lost only 3200 soldiers. We heard their screeming on skies. Muslims lost around 4 millions in last 20 years for these wars but they hardly complain about the life of human because they know wars do take life.. end result USA lost big time Syria Iraq. Both countries are under Iran. Look at Yamin. You don't have money and weapons as much as Saudi have. Saudi lost the war again against poor villagers.

I understand what you're saying about the younger generations in Europe. But you say they lost in Iraq and Syria. The thing is that they didn't lose. They pulverized Iraq in both wars and you know it. They smashed Gadaffi's already mediocre army in Libya,the Saudis bombed a lot of Yemen back and with their allies,pushed the Houthis back in a lot of fronts.
About our economy though,yes it's very fragile and still trying to get back to normal. However,the Turkish economy right now is at a point where it could break Turkish society in two: Pro-Erdoganists and anti-Erdoganists. Because the Turkish Lira has hit rock bottom and prices have been going up so much the last year,that people are angry at how expensive vegetables,fruits,bread and common food has become.
And yet Erdogan keeps building more palaces and villas and announces grand projects to them. Like opening a canal in the Bosporus or bulding a nuclear plant,promising them flying cars and going to the moon by 2025.

No

No they will face heavy loses in early stages of war because if your young generation is not ready for war n if they doing parties n drugs. Early stages of war will bring misery for defending country.

And again you have to realize that all this is just theoretical. You don't know how much of a society is battle-ready. How many will actually show up and fight or how many will "wake up" and do their duty.

 

[Attila the Hun]

it could break Turkish society in two: Pro-Erdoganists and anti-Erdoganists.

Won't happen. I still woudn't swap Turkey for anywhere else.

And yet Erdogan keeps building more palaces

How many palaces did he build?

promising them flying cars

He did?? Maybe he meant Syria?

 

[Foinikas]

Won't happen. I still woudn't swap Turkey for anywhere else.

But if he kept pushing the economy to the breaking point,the anti-AKP and anti-CHP masses could revolt. I could say "the Kemalists vs the Islamists",but that's not exactly correct. It's more like AKP followers vs everyone against it. Kemalists,communists,Republicans etc.

How many palaces did he build?

Well there's the Cumhurbaskanligi Kulliyesi in Ankara,his summer palace in Marmaris and I know he built something in Istanbul,but I don't remember if it was the Cengelkoy Pavillion or some other building. And he's even building a presidential pavillion in Lake Van!

He did?? Maybe he meant Syria?

That made me laugh out loud But no,seriously he did say it! It's in his speeches,you could find it. I'll have to dig in a bit to search it,but you could find it easily I guess. He also promised that Turks would go to the moon by 2025