Greece worries about Turkish defence program

[MMM-E]

I do not think that Turkey can develop a competitive engine for TF-X even in the 2030s. They will still be reliant on UK or US for the engine.

TRMOTOR will develop Turbofan engine for TF-X in 10-12 years
and TEI Turboshaft engine for Helicopters will be ready in 2023

 

[UKBengali]

TRMOTOR will develop Turbofan engine for TF-X in 10-12 years
and TEI Turboshaft engine for Helicopters will be ready in 2023

Much as I want Turkey to succeed, this is impossible
as Turkey has not even made a single engine for a fighter plane yet.
Turkey is making a start on jet engines but will need many many decades till it even catches up with Russia in this field.

 

[MMM-E]

Do what ever you want with it.
Just to show you none of you is really superior to each other.

Stupid S.Arabian pilots can not uses even Fighters to bomb targets in Yemen
S.Arabia is nothing but a big joke .... Turkish Armed Forces can kick MBS's butt in Riyhad and MBZ's butt in Dubai


and We dont care about Israel or Egypt or Iran or S.Arabia ,,, They have no big military projects ( Israel buys 50 F35 and nothing else ,, Iran is joke ,, S.Arabia and Egypt can not develops even anti Tank Missile

everybody will see Turkish Power again when over 600 military projects and new weapons will be in service until 2030 and 10 years no big time for history

-- 1000,1500,2500 km BORA Ballistic Missiles
-- 800/1400km GEZGIN land and naval based Cruise Missiles
-- 500+ km SOM-ER air launched Cruise Missile
-- RAMJET powered supersonic anti ship Missile

-- 280 km SOM-J network enabled stealth Cruise Missile ... ( land attack/anti ship capability )
-- 220+ km ATMACA Naval Missile ... ( land attack/anti ship capability )
-- 25 km GOKDOGAN air to air Missile
-- 65 km BOZDOGAN air to air Missile
-- AKBABA Anti radiation Missile

-- KORKUT and OERLIKON 35mm SPAAGs ( airbust amunition ) and HISAR-A Air Defense System to intercept Cruise Missiles
-- HISAR-O and land based BOZDOGAN Air Defense Systems to intercept Cruise Missiles and Fighter Jets
-- HISAR-C RAM ( similar to Israeli Iron Dome )
-- S400 high altitude Air Defense System to intercept Fighter Jets
-- SIPER high altitude Air Defense System to intercept Fighter Jets and Balistic Missiles

-- 100 F-35A stealth Fighter Jets
-- TAI TF-X stealth Fighter Jet to replace F-16s
-- MIUS stealth UCAV
-- AKINCI UCAVs ( 1300kg payload for SATCOM , AESA Radar even 280km SOM Cruise Missile ( land attack / anti ship )
-- Hundreds of BAYRAKTAR TB-2 and ANKA-S UCAVs
-- TAI HURJET close air support and ligh attack Fighter Jets
-- 91 TAI T-129 Attack Helicopter
-- TAI ATAK-II heavy Attack Helicopter with Turkish turboshaft Engine
-- TAI T-625 Helicopter to replace 150+ Bell UH-1 Helicopters
-- TAI 10 ton class Utility Helicopter
-- 109 new Sikorsky S70 Black Hawk Helicopters ( also 100 Black Hawk Helicopters are in service )
-- 46 Eurocopter AS-532 Cougar Helicopters
-- 10 Boeing CH-47F Chinook Helicopters
-- 36 Sikorsky S70 Seahawk ASW Helicopters

-- 4 Boeing E-7T AEWC
-- 4 Airborne stand off Jammer Aircrafts
-- 10 Airbus A400M Strategic Transport Aircrafts
-- 7 Boeing KC135 Tankers
-- 6 CASA CN235 ASW Aircrafts
-- 6 ATR-72 ASW Aircrafts

-- OMTAS anti Tank Missile ....( top attack capability )
-- KARAOK anti Tank Missile ...( similar to American JAVELIN )
-- ALTAY Tank with AKKOR Active Protection System
-- T-155 Storm-II 155mm Howitzer with 50+ km smart ammunition
-- YAVUZ truck mounted 155mm Howitzer
-- 40 km TRG-122 guided MLRS
-- 120 km TRG-300 guided MLRS
-- 150 km J600T Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 280 km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missile

-- KORAL Radar Electronic Warfare System
-- MEHPOD Jamming Pod
-- 600 and 1500 km Early Warning AESA Radars

-- 4 ADA class stealth Corvettes
-- 4 MILGEM-I class stealth Frigates ( 64 x ESSM air defense missiles and 16 x ATMACA anti ship missiles )
-- 6 Type214TN class AIP Submarines
-- MILDEN class AIP Submarine to replace Type209 class Submarines
-- 2 BAYRAKTAR class LST ( each LSTcan carry 20 Tanks and 450 soldiers )
-- 2 Amphibious Assault Ships ( TCG ANADOLU and TCG TRAKYA ) each LHD can carry 12-16 F-35B Fighter Jets


and 8 TF-2000/TF4500 class Frigates ( what a great fire power ... Nobody can match with this power in the region )

32 or 48 cells VLS x 8 Frigates = 256 or 384 cells VLS for 512 or 1024 HISAR-O medium altitude air Defense Missiles and 128 SIPER high altitude air Defense Missiles and 128 ATMACA anti ship Missiles


of course Turkish Military Bases in N.Cyprus , Iraq , Syria , Qatar , Somali , Sudan and many more in future

 

[MMM-E]

Much as I want Turkey to succeed, this is impossible
as Turkey has not even made a single engine for a fighter plane yet.
Turkey is making a start on jet engines but will need many many decades till it even catches up with Russia in this field.

blisk-spool manufacturing technology as one of the most advanced technologies in the aviation industry

and TEI has blisk-spool technologies for turbofan engines ( only the US,Russia,The UK,France,Turkey and China )
TEI and KALE AERO have learned many technologies for turbofan engines from GE Aviation and Pratt&Witney
( under license production GE Turbofan Engines of F-16 and production critical parts for F-135 Engine of F-35 )

so TRMOTOR can develop turbofan engine for TF-X in 10-12 years ,, max 15 years

I remind You that Turkey also has not even made a single turboshaft engine since 2017
but TEI has tested TS1400 turboshaft gas turbine engine in 2018 and will be in service by 2023 ( only the US,The UK,France,Russia,Turkey and China over 1600shp turboshaft engine ..... and Japan and Ukraine 1000shp turboshaft engine )




3 weeks ago Indigenous Turbofan Engine development frame deal have been signed with TRMOTOR
and ISMAIL DEMIR ( Undersecretary for Defence Industries ) said that Turbofan Engine development project will be done in 10 years

 

[UKBengali]

blisk-spool manufacturing technology as one of the most advanced technologies in the aviation industry

and TEI has blisk-spool technologies for turbofan engines ( only the US,Russia,The UK,France,Turkey and China )
TEI and KALE AERO have learned many technologies for turbofan engines from GE Aviation and Pratt&Witney
( under license production GE Turbofan Engines of F-16 and production critical parts for F-135 Engine of F-35 )

so TRMOTOR can develop turbofan engine for TF-X in 10-12 years ,, max 15 years

I remind You that Turkey also has not even made a single turboshaft engine since 2017
but TEI has tested TS1400 turboshaft gas turbine engine in 2018 and will be in service by 2023 ( only the US,The UK,France,Russia,Turkey and China over 1600shp turboshaft engine ..... and Japan and Ukraine 1000shp turboshaft engine )




3 weeks ago Indigenous Turbofan Engine development frame deal have been signed with TRMOTOR
and ISMAIL DEMIR ( Undersecretary for Defence Industries ) said that Turbofan Engine development project will be done in 10 years

Wish Turkey well - nearly the whole of the Muslim world wants Turkey to succeed.

 

[Oublious]

No problem about money, Sisi sells another island to Saudis or whoever pays

Ther is no island left. Maybe he can give the Pyramids, they have enough for the tourists.

Do what ever you want with it.
Just to show you none of you is really superior to each other.

Stupid video, our fighters are 200 block50+, and calling F4 2020 poor is stupid. Shows us the maker of that video don't understand much about defence. F4 is capable to deliver every cruise missile in the Turkish inventory. Faster and more range then the F16, F4 is air to ground purpose.


Calling our F4 poor and old junk Tornado capable? Fak that guy in that video.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Ther is no island left. Maybe he can give the Pyramids, they have enough for the tourists.



Stupid video, our fighters are 200 block50+, and calling F4 2020 poor is stupid. Shows us the maker of that video don't understand much about defence. F4 is capable to deliver every cruise missile in the Turkish inventory. Faster and more range then the F16, F4 is air to ground purpose.


Calling our F4 poor and old junk Tornado capable? Fak that guy in that video.

The F4 is a poor air to air fighter in todays standards, he called it capable when it comes to ground strikes. Same about the Tornado

 

[Timur]

saudi vs turkey is stupid to faar away and comparing saudi skills with turkish skills man saudis have even americans on board to help them /guide them against yemen and then comparing it with turkey..

arabs all together vs tiny israel was a failure and they think just SA vs Turkey would be a match?

 

[Beny Karachun]

saudi vs turkey is stupid to faar away and comparing saudi skills with turkish skills man saudis have even americans on board to help them /guide them against yemen and then comparing it with turkey..

arabs all together vs tiny israel was a failure and they think just SA vs Turkey would be a match?

Don't think you could do any better, no offense.

 

[Nein]

Don't think you could do any better, no offense.

Saudis would not fare any better to be honest.

They even called on the USA to protect their asses against a weakened Iraq.

 

[Hell NO]

Well we have enough submarine to terrorize your coast, and ther is nothing egypt can do about that. Navy is nothing and you don't have nothing against to counter that. Your fighters in Greec will be in the range of our cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. We will get F35 and it is game over for Egypt. Regional Titans more like thugs to steal.


about the money you should thank Gulfies, and aid from america like the latest apaches.

1-would be true if Egypt had no anti submarines capabilities.
2-fair point but it will depend on how good your missiles are and how bad the air defense is?
3-no, again I question you
Military knowledge. f35 alone isn't gonna win you a war just like jets didn't turn the tide of war for the Nazis.

4-you know what's more shameful than getting aid in weapons and cash without giving anything in return having foreign bases in our country.

 

[T-Rex]

Much as I want Turkey to succeed, this is impossible
as Turkey has not even made a single engine for a fighter plane yet.
Turkey is making a start on jet engines but will need many many decades till it even catches up with Russia in this field.

Just because other Muslim states can't does not mean Turkey can't. You are underestimating Turkey and inshallah in ten years from now they will prove it to you.

Military knowledge. f35 alone isn't gonna win you a war just like jets didn't turn the tide of war for the Nazis.

Had it been invented two years earlier it would have turned the tide of war and D-Day would never happen.

4-you know what's more shameful than getting aid in weapons and cash without giving anything in return having foreign bases in our country.

It is even more shameful when your entire state is a foreign base for the Zionists.

 

[Hell NO]

1 - You have no aircraft carrier. Your Mistrals are a sitting duck and first to go.
2 - If we go on war, we won't rely on allies like Arabs.
3 - Greece is in range of Turkish missiles.
4 - Turkey has better navy, airforce and land forces.
5 - Turkey's weapons are local.



No problem about money, Sisi sells another island to Saudis or whoever pays

1- my point still stand expensive ships that we had no problems buying (Russian wouldn't buy a sitting duck). Let's talk about it when it enters service with its ka52k+Kh-35 and the ship's escort.

2-you wouldn't rely on allies because you don't have any to rely on. Even The US rely on allies

3-turkey is in range of greek/Egyptian missiles(if we choose) in Greece.

4- I explained how your navy is irrelevant, no you airforce is weaker even with (6 f35 although I doubt the us will deliver), 1125 m1a1 tanks how are you better again?

5- cool more targets.

Atleast we don't have foreign bases.

 

[MMM-E]

1- my point still stand expensive ships that we had no problems buying (Russian wouldn't buy a sitting duck). Let's talk about it when it enters service with its ka52k+Kh-35 and the ship's escort.

Egypt and Greece have no power to match with the Turkish Armed Forces in the Eastern Mediterranean
open your eyes and stop dreaming

very funny , Egypt is dreaming about attacking on Turkey with 2 LHDs KA-52 Attack Helicopters with a few KH-35 Missiles

Egyptian Navy is weak only 1 FREMM Frigate , 4 OHP class Frigates and 2 GOWIND class Corvettes and 2 Type209 class Submarines


Turkish Navy has 8 OHP class Frigates , 8 MEKO-200 class Frigates , 4 ADA class stealth Corvettes and 12 Type209 class Submarines armed with superior systems , weapons and advanced electronic warfare systems




1 ) 220+km Turkish ATMACA Anti ship Missile is in mass production now ... land based ATMACA Anti ship Missiles can block half of the Eastern Mediterranean against the Egyptian Navy

Egyptian Navy can not reach to even Cyprus or will be destroyed by Turkish ATMACA Anti ship Missiles



2 ) 300 km Turkish SOM Cruise Missile is in service
and Turkish Airforce 163 CCIP modernized F-16C/D ( Block52 standart ) can be armed with 326 of SOM Cruise Missiles ( land attack/anti ship capability ) to destroy Egyptian and Greek Navies combined

30 F-16C/D block50+ Fighter Jets armed with 60 AGM-88 HARM anti radiation Missiles ( range of 150km ) easly can destroy 2 Egyptian LHDs

48 modernized F-4 TERMINATOR Fighter Jets armed with 96 SOM Cruise Missiles ( land attack/anti ship capability ) to destroy Egyptian Navy




3 ) Turkish Navy 16 Frigates armed with over 900 of SM-1 and ESSM air Defense Missiles can block Cyprus

and by 2019-2020 Turkey will have 192 of 250km S400 Air Defense Missiles to block half of air space over the Eastern Mediternean ...... GAME OVER !

Egyptian Airforce can not reach even to Cyprus
btw 200 Egyptian F-16s are joke ( no AIM-120 long range air to air missiles , no electronic warfare system , no advanced Radar )

Turkish Airforce 163 CCIP modernized F-16C/D ( Block52 standart ) and 30 F-16C/D block50+ Fighter Jets have AIM-120 long range air to air missiles , superior Radar , JHCMS + AIM-9x sidewinder air to air missiles and SPEWS-II electronic warfare system easly can destroy Egyptian Airforce including MIG-29s and Rafales

even Egyptian Rafales armed with only 60 km MICA air to air Missiles
Turkish F-16s armed with 100+ km AIM-120C7 air to air Missiles

3-turkey is in range of greek/Egyptian missiles(if we choose) in Greece.

Greece and Egypt have no missiles to hit every target in Turkey

Greece has only 50 of 250km STORM SHADOW Cruise Missiles and a few of 165 km ATACMS Tactical Ballistic Missiles .... nothing else

Egypt is nothing but begging STORM SHADOW Cruise Missiles from France



on the other hand Turkey has developed its own Missiles to hit targets in Greece , Greek Islands and Egypt

-- 120km TRG-300 guided MLRS
-- 150 km J600T Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 280 km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 220+ km ATMACA Missile .. ( land attack/anti ship capability )
-- 300 km SOM Cruise Missile .. ( land attack/anti ship capability )
-- 1.000+ km BORA Ballistic Missile

also 800km GEZGIN land and naval based Cruise Missile is under development
also Turkish Army has 120 of 165 km ATACMS Tactical Ballistic Missiles to hit targets in Greek Islands
also Turkish Airforce has hundreds of 110km KGK smart Bombs
also Turkish Airforce has hundreds of 77km POPEYE Cruise Missiles
also Turkish Airforce has 50 of 130km AGM-154 JSOW glide Bombs
also Turkish Airforce has 50 of 280km AGM-84 SLAM-ER Cruise Missiles

1125 m1a1 tanks how are you better again?

old M1A1s Tanks will be destroyed by the latest technology Turkish OMTAS anti Tank Missiles ..
also Turkish KARAOK anti Tank Missile is on the way ( similar to American JAVELIN )
also 91 T-129 Attack Helicopters armed with 8km Turkish MIZRAK anti Tank Missiles
also hundreds of Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 , ANKA-S and AKINCI UCAVs can be armed with 8km MAM-L laser guided munition

also Turkish Airforce has 880+ MAVERIC Missiles to destroy enemy Tanks
also Turkish Army has 40.000+ TOW , MILAN , ERYX , KONKURS and KORNET anti Tank Missiles


keep dreaming with your 2 LHDs and M1A1 Tanks ......

 

[Damir877]

Not something to worry about.War between Turkey and Greece is highly unlikely,since US will immediately put a stop to it and EU will support Greece only verbally,won't do anything meaningful but bark at Turkey as usual.Much like in 1996 crisis.