Greece to Upgrade F-16 to Block V Configuration

[MICA]

The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Greece for an upgrade of F-16 aircraft to an F-16 Block V configuration. The estimated cost is $2.404 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on October 16, 2017.

The Government of Greece has requested a possible purchase of an upgrade of its existing F-16 fleet to an F-16 Block V configuration which includes up to one hundred twenty-five (125) APG-83 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radars (includes two (2) spares); one hundred twenty-three (123) Modular Mission Computers (MMCs); one hundred twenty-three (123) LINK-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System Joint Tactical Radio Systems (MIDS-JTRS) with TACAN and EHSI; one hundred twenty-three (123) LN260 Embedded Global Navigation Systems (EGI)/Inertial Navigation Systems (INS); and one hundred twenty-three (123) Improved Programmable Display Generators (iPDGs). Also included in the proposed sale are up to one hundred twenty-three (123) APX-126 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (AIFF) Combined Interrogator Transponders (CIT); one (1) Joint Mission Planning System (JMPS); one (1) F-16V Simulator; upgrade to two (2) existing simulators; one (1) Avionics Level Test Station; Secure Communications, cryptographic equipment and navigation equipment; upgrade and integration of the Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suite (ASPIS) I to ASPIS II on twenty-six (26) F-16s; Ground Support System, systems integration and test; spares and repair parts, support and test equipment; personnel training and training equipment; publications and technical documentation; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, logistical, and technical support services; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated program cost is $2.404 billion.

This proposed sale will contribute to U.S. foreign policy and national security objectives by helping to improve the security of a NATO ally which is an important partner for political stability and economic progress in Europe. The upgrade of F-16 aircraft to an F-16 Block V configuration will bolster the Hellenic Air Force’s ability to support NATO and remain interoperable with the U.S. and the NATO alliance. It will also help Greece sustain operations in the future, thereby reducing the threat the alliance’s enemies pose to the U.S. and the alliance.

The proposed sale will improve Greece’s capability to meet current and future security threats. Greece will use this capability as a deterrent to regional threats, strengthen its homeland defense, and execute counter-terrorism operations.

Greece currently employs a mix of F-16s in Block 30, Block 50, Block 52+, and Block 52+ Advanced configurations. Therefore, Greece will have no difficulty absorbing the upgrade of these aircraft from an operation and support standpoint.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The principal contractor will be Lockheed Martin of Fort Worth, TX. There are currently no known offsets. However, Greece typically requests offsets. Any offset agreement will be defined in negotiations between Greece and the contractor.

 

[Storm Force]

That greeks operate about 120 F16 block 30/40

at $2.4 billion that arounds $20 million per aircraft to upgrade

THAT IS CHEAP for such a effective upgrade

 

[Natan]

That greeks operate about 120 F16 block 30/40

at $2.4 billion that arounds $20 million per aircraft to upgrade

THAT IS CHEAP for such a effective upgrade

Peace Xenia I Greece 1989–1990 (40) 34 F-16C-30, 6 F-16D-30
Peace Xenia II Greece 1997–1998 (40) 32 F-16C-50, 8 F-16D-50
Peace Xenia III Greece 2002–2004 (60) 40 F-16C-52, 20 F-16D-52
Peace Xenia IV Greece 2009–2010 (30) 20 F-16C-52, 10 F-16D-52

So, it means that F-16C/D blk 50/52 will be upgraded to F-16V blk 70/72, and the older blk 30 eventually will be scrapped.

 

[MICA]

123 to be upgraded ..

 

[SurvivoR]

Can our MLUs be further upgraded to Block V?

 

[MICA]

Can our MLUs be further upgraded to Block V?

i don't think so , it has been working sicn the 80's it's life span should end soon

 

[Storm Force]

Peace Xenia I Greece 1989–1990 (40) 34 F-16C-30, 6 F-16D-30
Peace Xenia II Greece 1997–1998 (40) 32 F-16C-50, 8 F-16D-50
Peace Xenia III Greece 2002–2004 (60) 40 F-16C-52, 20 F-16D-52
Peace Xenia IV Greece 2009–2010 (30) 20 F-16C-52, 10 F-16D-52

So, it means that F-16C/D blk 50/52 will be upgraded to F-16V blk 70/72, and the older blk 30 eventually will be scrapped.

I'm sure if you scrap the f16 block 30 you will find some poor African or Asian country thst will look to buy them on the dirt cheap.

Some airforces love to buy second hand end of life f16 even in 2017 especially those with very very modest military budgets

 

[Zarvan]

Turkey is not going to like this news

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Peace Xenia I Greece 1989–1990 (40) 34 F-16C-30, 6 F-16D-30
Peace Xenia II Greece 1997–1998 (40) 32 F-16C-50, 8 F-16D-50
Peace Xenia III Greece 2002–2004 (60) 40 F-16C-52, 20 F-16D-52
Peace Xenia IV Greece 2009–2010 (30) 20 F-16C-52, 10 F-16D-52

So, it means that F-16C/D blk 50/52 will be upgraded to F-16V blk 70/72, and the older blk 30 eventually will be scrapped.

They are trying to sell off some F-16s to other countries.

 

[cabatli_53]

Turkey is not going to like this news

Bro, From the time of arm race years between Turks and Greeks over Aegean EEZ problems sponsored by West with a reason of stabilizing the strength of both countries to keep a likely conflict away, to the years of present, It passed around 8 years. During all those passed years, Greeks fall into a deep sleep against Turkish rival thanks to 2009 economic crises. Turkiye always have ambitious vision to be self sufficient on vital technologies and areas, While Greeks enjoy/proud "state of art" daddies' export variant assets so their economy is also collapsed so bad.

When they woke up to daylight, They realized that The Turkish industry has already reached the level that Western players can’t control the advancements of strategic projects with their hidden embargoes over Turkey against Greece.

In current scenario, Turkey plans to upgrade own F-16 fighter fleet with;
-Domestic GaN based AESA radar
-Mission computer called Ozgur
-New generation lighter touchscreen avionics
-Embedded electronic warfare systems
-Göktuğ Gokdoğan IIR short range AA missile
-Göktuğ Bozdoğan RF long range AA missile
-SOM family cruise missiles
-AselPod EO
-MehPod EW
-IFF Mod-5S


It is the end of so called arm race. Turks rule own technology and determining own limits. When a problem erupted, The systems whose secrets solely belongs to Turkish brains, will target the enemy until national ambitious became a reality over them.

TF-X MMU Stealth Fighter Program

-1,3 billion $ (TAI) - 160 million $ (BAE for 400 engineer/year)
-3-4 years for detail design engineering
-2023 first flight
-2029 first party delivery
-250 TF-X MMU for TurAF

HürJet Advanced Trainer/Light Attack Twin Engine Aircraft
-1.2Mach speed
-45000ft Altitude
-3 ton payload

HürKuş-C Light Attack TurboProp Aircraft
-356kts speed
-35500ft altitude
-1,5ton payload

Anka-B/S
-30000ft altitude
-24h duration
-250kg payload
-Single PD-170 domestic engine

Anka-II
-~40000ft altitude
-750kg payload
-Twin PD-170 domestic engine

 

[Natan]

They are trying to sell off some F-16s to other countries.

So do we.

 

[Oublious]

Turkey is not going to like this news

The only thing on that upgrade what is better is the radar. The upgrade is not that super if you ask me. They will upgrade 120 fighters, we have more then 200 block50+. That aside we will get F35 and we are starting our own fighter program. No worry about greec, we will still the dominant.