Greece, France sign 2.3 billion-euro fighter jet deal

[KurtisBrian]

Turkey won't give up anything S-400 and doesn't need anything in return. While they never asked for anything cause they have everything they need. All this is mancfactured repeated irrelevant stuff in truth and I have already explain to you simple why it is irrelevant. It is non-topic altogether

Just produce the engine without a license. Take care of Turkey first.

 

[Deino]

This is a pipe-dream and an unfounded by definition is flawed. I will explain this to you?

I think it's simply YOU, who's wrong and I'm amazed by such a stubbornness!

1. Lets assume someone invented condoms but another company made another condom just with different brand? Will there be any right issues? the answer is no. Turkey doesn't need F110 and never did. It was studying engine building for decades by now even studied on different platforms making one is not a chellenge for the worlds best defense industry currently and yes I said with conviction.

What??? It's not a different brand, Turkey wants to use the regular GE F110. That's a fact and as such Turkey do in fact badly need the F110. No F110 means no operational F-16 anymore and even on top NO TFX, Or please tell me what engine will be used for the TFX-prototypes!??

So calm down and explain why Turkey doesn't need F110 and never did?

2. No one can have rights on engines individually produced as long it is not on your brand ( If your logic was to be applied it means the US has rights to all engines in the world since they were the first to build an engine which is a redundant logic and irrelevant)

Wrong, totally wrong exactly since any F110 regardless if built in the USA or Turkey are de facto US items - like you said, they are "their brand" - and no other country is allowed - if not specified in certain terms of conditions - to take them out and use in another design. I really don't know how you could claim such a BS, it is as if you would claim the earth is flat. I never said the USA can control any engine "in the world", but this particular model known as GE F110.


3. Have you seen Turkey asking the US for parts regarding the TAI-TFX the answer is no. They were not invited, not asked of anything or of any assistance in the program but it is just you guys trying to fit into every little cave. The Only country Turkey has invited is Malaysia and the UK's rolls royce wants join the program
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First of all, why so insulting again: I made a statement, I gave reasonable explanations and if you don't agree, then it's fine, but in no way a reason to insult others. But again, then please explain again: What engine will be used in the TFX prototypes?

And if the answer is the F110, then the USA have any right to have the final saying in the use of their engines. Period.

 

[Titanium100]

I think it's simply YOU, who's wrong and I'm amazed by such a stubbornness!



What??? It's not a different brand, Turkey wants to use the regular GE F110. That's a fact and as such Turkey do in fact badly need the F110. No F110 means no operational F-16 anymore and even on top NO TFX, Or please tell me what engine will be used for the TFX-prototypes!??

So calm down and explain why Turkey doesn't need F110 and never did?



Wrong, totally wrong exactly since any F110 regardless if built in the USA or Turkey are de facto US items - like you said, they are "their brand" - and no other country is allowed - if not specified in certain terms of conditions - to take them out and use in another design. I really don't know how you could claim such a BS, it is as if you would claim the earth is flat. I never said the USA can control any engine "in the world", but this particular model known as GE F110.


3. Have you seen Turkey asking the US for parts regarding the TAI-TFX the answer is no. They were not invited, not asked of anything or of any assistance in the program but it is just you guys trying to fit into every little cave. The Only country Turkey has invited is Malaysia and the UK's rolls royce wants join the program

You are throwing empty words into a barren desert my friend. The F-16 is purchased which has the GE F110 but the TAI-TX engine has nothing to do with F-110 as I have said it is just you guys trying to fit into the wrong cave forcefully once again

 

[Deino]

Just produce the engine without a license. Take care of Turkey first.

So you suggest Turkey should break all licence agreements and common terms of condition, copy the F110 regardless what GE or the USA say and that's fine??

You are throwing empty words into a barren desert my friend. The F-16 is purchased which has the GE F110 but the TAI-TX engine has nothing to do with F-110 as I have said it is just you guys trying to fit into the wrong cave forcefully once again.

Turkey has never mentioned anything about F110 in regards to TAI-TX it is just another empty concoction entirely. This is an irrelevant narrative assumption and that is even an understatement

AGAIN: What kind of engine will power the TFX prototype? Please give me just a simple answer to this simple question.

I'm here to lean and in fact I would be happy to be wrong and to get an answer since all I know is - including by all most credible Turkish members in this section - the TFX-prototype will use F110 engines since nothing else is available.

 

[Titanium100]

So you suggest Turkey should break all licence agreements and common terms of condition, copy the F110 regardless what GE or the USA say and that's fine??



AGAIN: What kind of engine will power the TFX prototype? Please give me just a simple answer to this simple question.

I'm here to lean and in fact I would be happy to be wrong and to get an answer since all I know is - including by all most credible Turkish members in this section - the TFX-prototype will use F110 engines since nothing else is available.

Yes I agree in regards to the prototype but TFX main engine is an entirely locally produced engine and you know this much yourself so I fail to understand your whole narrative and goal

 

[Deino]

Yes I agree in regards to the prototype but TFX main engine is an entirely locally produced engine and you know this much yourself so I fail to understand your whole narrative and goal

Is this really so difficult? No F110 in the TFX prototypes means no maiden flight as claimed in 2023... so in order to reach this anyway overambitious goal to roll out the prototype already next year and to fly it 2023 Turkey desperately needs the F110.

Don't get me wrong; this whole discussion back and forth between us both is a prime example of this hot-topic. You were not even reading properly simply since you noticed "Deino = against the TFX" ---> So I MUST Bash him!

Why is it so difficult to take a calm a careful look to another member's question, take a deep breath regardless any first "I would like to kill him" reflexes and reply in a civilised manner? The whole last page is useless since in the end you agreed, the FTX uses F110 engines for the first test phase! Did I say anything else?

 

[Titanium100]

Is this really so difficult? No F110 in the TFX prototypes means no maiden flight as claimed in 2023... so in order to reach this anyway overambitious goal to roll out the prototype already next year and to fly it 2023 Turkey desperately needs the F110.

Don't get me wrong; this whole discussion back and forth between us both is a prime example of this hot-topic. You were not even reading properly simply since you noticed "Deino = against the TFX" ---> So I MUST Bash him!

Why is it so difficult to take a calm a careful look to another member's question, take a deep breath regardless any first "I would like to kill him" reflexes and reply in a civilised manner? The whole last page is useless since in the end you agreed, the FTX uses F110 engines for the first test phase! Did I say anything else?

You claimed they can't use this or that as if it was going to be it's end product engine. Claiming blatantly that the end date in 2022-2023 can't be meet. Which gives me the hint that you care to much about this project don't you think so yourself. Which means imo you are in partial in this and bias probably also little bit jealous but I don't blame you for that. The prediction that it can't meet it's end date is just a pipe-dream.

Anything can be used in testing since it's not end goal or end product. I was mainly speaking about it's end product which will not be F110.

I think I get it. Someone has outdone Ze-Germans so now they are butthurt that is how I understand this

 

[Deino]

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I think I get it. Someone has outdone Ze-Germans so now they are butthurt that is how I understand this

Funny, why am I always rated by my nationality and often - too often - I hear you are not allowed to say anything since you are a German, Germans are Nazis, they are always against Turkey and so on ...

I think in fact I'm a rather untypical German, one who's admiring China, is very much interested in Pakistan and its AF, who has a broad interest in anything foreign, does not feel typically proud of being German nor for its most shameful history, but does this mean I'm not allowed to have an opinion, even a critical rationale one and ask questions?

 

[armandinho]

Sure must make anybody who is honest and productive angry to see those broke ***, do nothing retarded Greek pigeon men being given advanced new weapons. Even Athens is a decrepit sh*t hole.

your hate for Greece leads you to act like retarded

(if you are a real canadian , i am an alien)

 

[KurtisBrian]

So you suggest Turkey should break all licence agreements and common terms of condition, copy the F110 regardless what GE or the USA say and that's fine??

Fine? I don't know. What do you do if you are in a fight or there is a fight coming and your supposed ally stabs you in the back? Do you play by their rules and watch your people die?

 

[armandinho]

Greece $ 5.6/2 billion vs Indian $ 8.7 billion for Rafales.

it's a special price because of a long standing special relationship with France.



the same happens also with US which occasionally gifts us army weapon .
the latest one had been 1,200 M1117

The National Interest: Blog

nationalinterest.org

and 350 Bradley IFVs
https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/06/13/350-american-armoured-vehicles-to-be-sent-to-greece/


Many haters will try to mock and refer to the crisis , " haha Greece is poor "etc...
i may disappoint you but has nothing to do with this.

Yes during 2010-15 we faced a hard hit, but since 2016, year by year has been better.

Actually in 2019 before covid ,we had come back to pre-crisis levels with a record €18 bil tourism earnings , unemployment decline, real estate price rise , and record low gvt bond interest.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Greece / India Rafale vs Pakistan / turkey alliance...

Interesting!

Egypt and Syria are allied with Greece against Turkey.

 

[KurtisBrian]

Egypt and Syria are allied with Greece against Turkey.

So really it is Egypt, Syria, France (warships sent), Italy (2019 sent warship) , USA (sanctions), Germany (Turkish ship searched), Saudi Arabia (jets sent), India (weapons), Canada (sanctions) (thus probably NATO) allied with Greece against Turkey.

 

[waz]

What a waste of money, which could have been spent better elsewhere.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

So really it is Egypt, Syria, France (warships sent), Italy (2019 sent warship) , USA (sanctions), Germany (Turkish ship searched), Saudi Arabia (jets sent), India (weapons), Canada (sanctions) (thus probably NATO) allied with Greece against Turkey.

Turkey can thank Erdogan and his Ottoman expansionism for this.