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Govt may cut down on defence budget: PM

NEW DELHI: India must strive to develop "comprehensive national power" to tackle the challenges posed by the shift in global strategic focus towards the Asia-Pacific region, marked by jostling between the US and China, as well as the intense competition among nations in the security arena despite growing inter-dependence triggered by globalization.

This, in short, was Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's message to the country's top military brass on Friday. But he also warned that India might have to trim its defence budget due to the economic slowdown over the last two years. The armed forces will have to exercise greater "prudence" and "cut our coat according to our cloth" in their defence acquisition plans.

"While we must take into account the capabilities of our adversaries, we have to plan our long-term acquisition on the assumption of limited resource availability. This is an exercise that has to be done with a high degree of priority and urgency," he said, addressing the combined commanders' conference.

But the major chunk of his speech, the last before his government completes its term, was devoted to the impending strategic challenges ahead. The PM said while globalization has induced growing and complex inter-dependencies among states and multinationals on the economic front, it has also nurtured "intense competition and rivalries" in the security domain.

"Managing this contradictory tenor, highlighted by the global surveillance mounted by the US National Security Agency, is also a policy imperative for us. Naturally, our objective must be to acquire tangible national capacity, or comprehensive national power. This is the amalgam of economic, technological and industrial prowess, buttressed by the appropriate military sinews," he said.

Just as the economic pendulum is shifting inexorably from the west to the east, so is the strategic focus. "This is exemplified by the increasing contestation in the seas to our east and the related 'pivot' or 'rebalancing' (of military forces) by the US in this area," he said.

"This, to my mind, is a development fraught with uncertainty. We don't yet know whether these economic and strategic transitions will be peaceful, but that is the challenge this audience must grapple with institutionally," he added.

Even as it ramps up strategic cooperation with Washington, New Delhi has already cold-shouldered the US move to anoint India as a "lynchpin" in its impending "pivot" towards the Asia-Pacific. It is keen to be seen as a neutral player in the geopolitical shadow-boxing between the US and China for supremacy in the region.

India also does not want any third-party intervention in the contentious South China Sea, where China is locked in disputes with countries like the Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Singapore over territorial claims. Defence minister A K Antony has held that it was "desirable" that the "parties concerned themselves should settle contentious matters in accordance with international laws".

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Govt-may-cut-down-on-defence-budget-PM/articleshow/26225794.cms

He hasn't mentioned categorically how much the cuts may be and which projects are likely to get affected, but my guess is big ticket capital expenditures might not be touched.
 
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There is a general election going to be held soon.Things are going to change radically depending upon the outcome.At this moment these words have little value.The PM just wanted to make a comment targeting a specific audience.The military top brass are probably laughing silently.
 
NEW DELHI: India must strive to develop "comprehensive national power" to tackle the challenges posed by the shift in global strategic focus towards the Asia-Pacific region, marked by jostling between the US and China, as well as the intense competition among nations in the security arena despite growing inter-dependence triggered by globalization.

Why is the Indian PM using the phrase "Comprehensive National Power"? :lol:

Comprehensive National Power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comprehensive National Power (CNP) (Chinese: 综合国力; pinyin: zōnghé guólì) is a putative measure, important in the contemporary political thought of the People's Republic of China, of the general power of a nation-state. CNP can be calculated numerically by combining various quantitative indices to create a single number held to measure the power of a nation-state.

CNP takes "soft power" into account as well.

China is ranked 6th on this index.
 
But my guess is big ticket capital expenditures might not be touched.

So what kind of things do you think might be cut?

Not big ticket capital expenditures, then what?

And why is the Indian government spending so much on FSB and NEGERA when they are already in so much debt and deficit?
 
So what kind of things do you think might be cut?

Not big ticket capital expenditures, then what?

And why is the Indian government spending so much on FSB NEGERA when they are already in so much debt and deficit?

Elections are around the corner. They hope to get more votes by such schemes. Even If they lose the elections, The next govt cant function optimally due to lack of money and they can sit in opposition and destroy the ruling party.
 
So what kind of things do you think might be cut?

Not big ticket capital expenditures, then what?

Sir,
you need to look into the budget in totality. I'll try to put some figures here

1. Revenue budget & Capital expenditure

This is data for last year. As we can see the running cost is huge for Army (Proportional to the army strength), other wings (due to lower pay-roll) have proportionately lower share.
As far as capital cost (new acquisitions) are concerned Navy and AF consume almost 2/3 rd of the allotted budget and that is natural as almost all big ticket purchases are being made by them (MMRCA, FGFA cost, Basic Trainers, LCA, new destroyers, submarines etc).

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Now you can see here that although in absolute terms Capital allocation has increased, its share in total budget has actually gone down (marginally). Most importantly the total share is still below 2% of GDP.
One reason for expenditure going up in almost all departments is the 6th pay commission, that led to a massive pay hike and that is one major reason for increased load on Revenue budget.

2. Where the Govt Wants to Save

Govt in an attempt to bring down GDP deficit, has been moving cautiously on all fronts (& not just defence alone). It is cutting expenditure where ever possible and trying to dis-invest aggressively. Defence is not untouched, but the fact that total budget is only 1.9% of GDP, not much of savings can be made here. It is in this context that i say Capital Expenditure might not be touched as it hardly makes much of a difference.


And why is the Indian government spending so much on FSB and NEGERA when they are already in so much debt and deficit?

I would want to put a disturbing economic data here
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Subsidies alone a a major contributor to an uncomfortably heavy GDP Deficit. To couple that with populist schemes like Food Guarantee (that are nothing but vote gathering exercise in disguise) are going to strain the resources and finances even more.
I don't know how to answer why govt does so (ultimately it is responsible for financial health of country) but in a democracy like ours it is difficult to escape these things, i guess.

@Abingdonboy @sancho @Dillinger @arp2041 Your views could help here.

Here is something of interest

India’s Defence Budget 2012-13

Laxman K Behera

The Union Budget 2012-13, presented to the Parliament on March 16, 2012 hiked the defence outlays to Rs. 1,93,407.29 crore (US$ 40.44 billion1). This represents a growth of 17.63 per cent over the previous year’s outlays – one of the highest increases in recent years excluding that for 2009-10 when the budget was increased by over 34 per cent, mostly to accommodate the pay hikes caused by the implementation of the recommendations of the Sixth Central Pay Commission. The increase in the latest defence budget was made possible by the expansionary fiscal policy adopted by the government in general. Further, although the increase looks impressive at first glance, it is not however driven by the modernisation needs as much as by manpower needs.

Defence Budget Escapes Economic Slowdown
The new defence budget comes at a time when the performance of the Indian economy is under stress and the prospect of recovery is tenuous. As the Economic Survey 2011-12, presented to the Parliament a day before the Union Budget, puts it, GDP growth is projected at 6.9 per cent in the present fiscal year and at 7.6 per cent in 2012-13. These growth rates, which are significantly lower especially in comparison to the nearly 10 per cent growth registered in 2006-07, has however not forced the government to tighten its purse. Instead, it has resorted to what can be termed as fiscal profligacy, by increasing the overall central government expenditure by a hefty 18.54 per cent, with little regard for the fiscal situation. Consequently, the fiscal deficit, which the Finance Minister had promised in his previous budget speech to reduce to 4.1 per cent of GDP in 2012-13, is now projected to increase to 5.1 per cent. This expansionary fiscal policy has been the prime mover for the large increase in the budget of the defence ministry, which would otherwise have come under severe budgetary pressure if the Finance Minister had chosen a tight budget.

Key Aspects of the Defence Budget 2012-13
Although the latest defence budget has witnessed an increase of 18 per cent, the growth rate is only 13.15 per cent over the revised estimate of the now concluding fiscal year. In other words, the defence budget for 2011-12 has been revised upward by Rs 6,521.32 crore to Rs. 1,70,936.81 crore. However, unlike the revised estimate for 2010-11, in which both the Revenue Expenditure and Capital Expenditure were higher than their respective budget estimates, the revised estimate for 2011-12 shows an increase in Revenue Expenditure (by Rs. 9,576.32 or 10.06 per cent) and decline in Capital Expenditure by Rs. 3,055 (or 4.41 per cent).

The large increase in the defence budget notwithstanding, its impact on various components has been different (see Table). From the perspective of resource allocation, while the share of the defence budget in the GDP has marginally increased, its share in central government expenditure has fallen. One noticeable aspect of the new budget is that in comparison to Capital Expenditure, the Revenue Expenditure has increased faster. This growth has however been driven primarily because of the increase in pay and allowance of the armed forces, which has increased by 27 per cent to Rs. 63,182.46 crore, accounting for around 46 per cent growth of the total defence budget.

Table: Comparative Statistics of Defence Budgets, 2011-12 & 2012-13
2011-12 2012-13

Defence Budget (Rs. in Crore) 164415.49 193407.29
Growth of Defence Budget (%) 11.59 17.63
Revenue Expenditure (Rs. in Crore) 95216.68 113828.66
Growth of Revenue Expenditure (%) 9.01 19.55
Share of Revenue Expenditure in Defence Budget (%) 57.91 58.85
Capital Expenditure (Rs. in Crore) 69198.81 79578.63
Growth of Capital Expenditure (%) 15.33 15.00
Share of Capital Expenditure in Defence Budget (%) 42.09 41.15
Share of Defence Budget in GDP (%) 1.83 1.90
Share of Defence Budget in Central Government Expenditure (%) 13.07 12.97
Note: Rs. 1.0 crore = Rs. 10 million = US$ 209,105.39

Shares in Defence Budget
The Army with an approximate budget of Rs. 97,302.54 accounts for 50 per cent of the latest defence budget, followed by the Air Force (Rs. 48,191.16; 25 per cent), Navy (Rs. 37,314.44; 19 per cent), Defence Research and Development Organisation (Rs. 10,635.56 crore; six per cent) and Ordnance Factories (Rs. 135.13 crore). It is noteworthy that compared to the previous year’s budget, Navy is the only service which has increased its share in total defence allocation (from 15 to 19 per cent). The Air Force’s share has decreased the most (by four percentage points), whereas the Army’s share has declined by one percentage point.

Figure: Share of Defence Services in Defence Budget 2012-13
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Impact on Modernisation of Armed Forces: The Devil Lies in the Details
The 15 per cent increase in the Capital Expenditure has resulted in an additional amount of Rs. 10,379.82 crore. Given that most of the Capital Expenditure is incurred on modernisation of the armed forces, it is vital to see how the increase would affect each of the services. It is however to be noted that the three services (Army, Navy and Air Force) account for 94 per cent (Rs. 74,439.95 crore) of total Capital Expenditure in 2012-13, with the Air Force at the top with a share of 38 per cent (Rs. 30,485.35 crore), followed by the Navy (31 per cent or Rs. 24,766.42 crore) and the Army (24 per cent or Rs. 19,188.18 crore). Of the total Capital Expenditure of the three services, around 89 per cent (Rs 66,459.43 crore) is earmarked for capital acquisition or modernisation.2 These impressive figures do not however reveal the complete story. A closer look at the growth of the modernisation budget of 2012-13 would reveal that the focus is entirely driven by the Navy, which has got a 72 per cent hike (to Rs. 24,151.51 crore) in its modernisation budget. The Air Force’s modernisation budget has increased marginally (by 0.5 per cent) to Rs. 28,503.9 crore, while the Army’s has declined by three per cent to Rs. 13,804.02 crore.

The marginal increase in the Air Force’s modernisation budget and the decrease in the Army’s do not seem to be in sync with their modernisation requirements. This is more so given the pending signing of some of the big-ticket contracts (including the multi-billion dollar Rafael), and the sharp devaluation of the Indian rupee against the US dollar. As regards the latter, although the rupee has appreciated from its lowest point in mid-December 2011, the present exchange rate, which is around fifty rupees to a dollar, is still high and, if it remains at the same level could further erode the import capacity of the acquisition budget.

Return to Under-spending
When the defence budget 2011-12 was presented in February 2011, it gave an impression that the years of effort put in by the defence ministry to fine-tune its procurement process has finally yielded dividend. This impression now seems to be premature, as the defence ministry has once again come back to under-spending its capital budget. As the new budget reveals, of the total Capital Expenditure earmarked for 2011-12, Rs. 3,055 crore (4.41 per cent) has been surrendered at the time of revised estimate. The unspent amount could have been much higher if the Navy had not been allowed to overspend its allotted capital budget by Rs. 2801.25 crore (the Air Force and the Army together have surrendered Rs. 5,727.15 crore).

While the surrender in the Air Force’s modernisation budget is mostly from the head of ‘aircraft and aero-engine’, in the case of the Army the surrender is from a number of heads, including ‘aircraft & aero-engine’, and ‘other equipments’. The surrender of funds under such critical heads and of such magnitude not only reflects poorly upon budgetary management and the procurement system, but is also a cause of concern given the huge gap in national military capability and the rapid modernisation in neighbouring countries, particularly China which is pursuing an unprecedented level of military modernisation with a double-digit annual increase in defence expenditure for two decades. Given this scenario, the least that needs to be avoided by the services is the surrender of allotted funds. The defence establishment including the service headquarters therefore need to introspect and arrive at solutions that expedite procurement in a time-bound manner.

India’s Defence Budget 2012-13 | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses
 
So what kind of things do you think might be cut?

Not big ticket capital expenditures, then what?

And why is the Indian government spending so much on FSB and NEGERA when they are already in so much debt and deficit?

Bcauz they think they can win elections by such schemes
But this time hopefully anti incumbency wave is large & strong
& we can see NDA under modi
But he is no superman & I see economy improving & returning to 8-9% growth inn 2015 only
 
How does a "growing" country (albeit at 3.2%) have to cut their defence budget?
 
How does a "growing" country (albeit at 3.2%) have to cut their defence budget?

I really don't read much into "The Cut". Even if there is a cut that will be notional only.

Trying to improve upon country's finances by reducing expenditure on already frugal defence budget is a classic case of Penny wise, pound foolish
 
How does a "growing" country (albeit at 3.2%) have to cut their defence budget?

Thats is because we are already spending more than our means and our economist prime minister has made things worse by spending on populist schemes that have no long term benefit.

Its a tragedy.

BTW, abt CNP, I'm pretty sure he's not referring to the chinese index.
 
What "Comprehensive National Power" is he talking about then?

Its just english, comprehensive meaning ''including or dealing with all or nearly all elements or aspects of something''. Thats just a sensible way of looking at it. He's certainly not referring to the chinese index of the same name.
 
And defense should cut down on government.

May it's time defence should lower the shield to let government take the heat of neighbours
 
Its just english, comprehensive meaning ''including or dealing with all or nearly all elements or aspects of something''. Thats just a sensible way of looking at it. He's certainly not referring to the chinese index of the same name.

What other Comprehensive National Power concepts are there?

The concept of CNP is a measure of power that is inclusive of all factors. Which is why European nations like Britain and France are still ranked higher than China on the CNP Index, even though "Western indexes" all put China at 2nd place in terms of national power.

CNP is a more realistic measure that does not just account for hard (economic/military) power... but everything else too.
 
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