What's new

[getpocket.com] Why 40% of Vietnamese People Have the Same Last Name

DoTell

FULL MEMBER
Joined
Aug 29, 2013
Messages
868
Reaction score
0
Country
China
Location
China
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/...e-the-same-last-name?utm_source=pocket-newtab

In the United States, the most popular last name is Smith. As per the 2010 census, about 0.8 percent of Americans have it. In Vietnam, the most popular last name is Nguyen. The estimate for how many people answer to it? Somewhere between 30 and 40 percent of the country’s population. The 14 most popular last names in Vietnam account for well over 90 percent of the population. The 14 most popular last names in the US? Fewer than 6 percent.

In the U.S., an immigrant country, last names are hugely important. They can indicate where you’re from, right down to the village; the profession of a relative deep in your past; how long it’s been since your ancestors emigrated; your religion; your social status.

Nguyen doesn’t indicate much more than that you are Vietnamese. Someone with the last name Nguyen is going to have basically no luck tracing their heritage back beyond a generation or two, will not be able to use search engines to find out much of anything about themselves.

This difference illustrates something very weird about last names: they’re a surprisingly recent creation in most of the world, and there remain many places where they just aren’t very important. Vietnam is one of those.

The existence of last names in Vietnam dates to 111 BC, the beginning of a lengthy thousand-year occupation of the country by the Han Dynasty in China. (There were a few short-lived attempts at independence before the Vietnamese kicked the Chinese out in 939 AD.) Before this time, nobody really knows how the Vietnamese handled names, due to lack of written records. In fact even the name “Vietnam” comes from the Chinese; “viet” is the Vietnamese version of the word the Chinese used to describe the people southeast of Yunnan Province.

It is likely that the Vietnamese, prior to Chinese domination, did not use last names, (or family names, which we should call them, given that in Vietnam and many other places, this name does not come last). This does not make them unusual at all. Prior to the 18th century, much of the world did not use family names. More common would be what’s called a “patronymic” name, meaning your full name would literally translate as something like “Steve son of Bob.” Patronymic names refer only to the generation immediately before and remain common in much of the world, especially in Scandinavia and the Middle East. (Keep an eye out for “surnames” ending in “-sson” or including “Ben” or “Ibn.” Those are patronymic names.)

The entire idea of a family name was unknown to most of the world unless you were conquered by a place that used them. Those conquerors included the Romans, the Normans, the Chinese, and later the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Germans, and the Americans. It was the Chinese who gave Vietnam family names.
....

Click on the link for the rest of the story.
 
. .
There must be a Han governor with a surname of Ruan in the Han dynasty who decided to just give any Vietnamese with no surname his surname.
 
.
name so popular should not even be used, make it a default name if you dont have a last name...any other name then use it...will save so much ink or key strokes.
 
.
Salaam

Seems rather counter productive to have the same surname for 40% of a country. Is the whole point of naming to help distinguish you from others.

Fascinating stuff.
 
.
Nguyen is the family name of last Kingdom of Vietnam, in the past Vietnam was in many civil wars and conflict betwin many warlords ...so many people had changed her family mane following the Emperial family name for sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyễn_dynasty

.
800px-Common_Viet_Surnames.png


The most common family names among the Vietnamese are the following (the Chinese characters following each name are Hán tự).[2] Altogether, the 14 names account for 90% of the people.


Distribution of Vietnamese family names
  1. Nguyễn 阮 (39%)
  2. Trần 陳 (11%)
  3. 黎 (9.5%)
  4. Phạm 范 (7.1%)
  5. Huỳnh/Hoàng 黃 (5.1%)
  6. Phan 潘 (4.5%)
  7. Vũ/Võ 武 (3.9%)
  8. Đặng 鄧(2.1%)
  9. Bùi 裴 (2%)
  10. Đỗ 杜 (1.4%)
  11. Hồ 胡 (1.3%)
  12. Ngô 吳 (1.3%)
  13. Dương 楊 (1%)
  14. 李 (0.5%)
 
.
The existence of last names in Vietnam dates to 111 BC, the beginning of a lengthy thousand-year occupation of the country by the Han Dynasty in China. (There were a few short-lived attempts at independence before the Vietnamese kicked the Chinese out in 939 AD.) Before this time, nobody really knows how the Vietnamese handled names, due to lack of written records. In fact even the name “Vietnam” comes from the Chinese; “viet” is the Vietnamese version of the word the Chinese used to describe the people southeast of Yunnan Province.
I begin to see where their spiteful jealousy comes from. You'd think they'd be more grateful to China for bringing civilization to them.
 
.
I begin to see where their spiteful jealousy comes from. You'd think they'd be more grateful to China for bringing civilization to them.

chinese is the invader in the past, no more.

apply your logic, Japan had bringing civilisation to China too.
 
.
chinese is the invader in the past, no more.
I don't think so. The Chinese "invader" looms very large in your cultural consciousness. So much so that you're doing everything you can to throw yourself at the feet of a country that butchered millions of you (you know what they did, I've posted enough pictures of the Agent Orange planes) in the vain hope that they'll "stand up" to the "invader".

Nothing of the sort will happen. Learn a lesson from Hosni Mubarak - another one who thought America would protect him - when he learned too late and said, "Those once clothed by America are now naked." You're going to be left naked.
 
.
I don't think so. The Chinese "invader" looms very large in your cultural consciousness. So much so that you're doing everything you can to throw yourself at the feet of a country that butchered millions of you (you know what they did, I've posted enough pictures of the Agent Orange planes) in the vain hope that they'll "stand up" to the "invader".

Nothing of the sort will happen. Learn a lesson from Hosni Mubarak - another one who thought America would protect him - when he learned too late and said, "Those once clothed by America are now naked." You're going to be left naked.

we fought counter all kind of invader, they were China, France, USA ... and last was China. Its enought say to you.
 
. .
Nguyen is the family name of last Kingdom of Vietnam, in the past Vietnam was in many civil wars and conflict betwin many warlords ...so many people had changed her family mane following the Emperial family name for sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyễn_dynasty

.
800px-Common_Viet_Surnames.png


The most common family names among the Vietnamese are the following (the Chinese characters following each name are Hán tự).[2] Altogether, the 14 names account for 90% of the people.


Distribution of Vietnamese family names
  1. Nguyễn 阮 (39%)
  2. Trần 陳 (11%)
  3. 黎 (9.5%)
  4. Phạm 范 (7.1%)
  5. Huỳnh/Hoàng 黃 (5.1%)
  6. Phan 潘 (4.5%)
  7. Vũ/Võ 武 (3.9%)
  8. Đặng 鄧(2.1%)
  9. Bùi 裴 (2%)
  10. Đỗ 杜 (1.4%)
  11. Hồ 胡 (1.3%)
  12. Ngô 吳 (1.3%)
  13. Dương 楊 (1%)
  14. 李 (0.5%)

Very interesting and informative
 
.
Allow me to meme...

1950s: "There will be flying cars in 21st century"
2019: charts about how common 'Smith' and 'Nguyen' surnames are
 
. . .

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom