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Germany ups reliance on Huawei for 5G despite security fears​

Reuters
December 17, 2022 6:27 AM

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Huawei accounts for 59% of Germany’s 5G radio access network compared to 57% in 4G networks. (AP pic)

BERLIN: Germany has become even more dependent on Huawei for its 5G radio access network equipment (RAN) than in its 4G network despite growing worries about Chinese involvement in critical infrastructure, according to a new report.

Many European countries have banned Chinese companies from all or part of their 5G networks on security grounds, amid intense diplomatic pressure from the US.

But Huawei accounts for 59% of Germany’s 5G RAN – the base stations and related infrastructure that connect smartphones to the network – compared to 57% in 4G networks, according to the survey by telecommunications consultancy Strand Consult.

The survey, to be released next week but seen by Reuters, provides an overview of the roles of China’s Huawei and ZTE in the roll-out of next-generation mobile networks across Europe, singling out the region’s largest economy for its continued reliance on its top trade partner.

“There are indications that Germany has not taken the security threat that China poses seriously,” the study says, drawing comparisons to the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, long criticised by opponents as a security risk but which Berlin justified by saying Russia would not weaponise energy.

Huawei has repeatedly denied its equipment poses a security risk and accuses Washington of a protectionist desire to help US firms that cannot compete with its technology and pricing.

Huawei did not immediately reply to request for comment for this story.

Germany, home to operators like Deutsche Telekom and O2, passed an IT security law two years ago setting high hurdles for makers of telecommunications equipment for the “critical components” of 5G networks.


Critics note requirements are toughest for the core network, where sensitive data is processed, but say that is so enmeshed with RAN infrastructure that both can pose security risks.

The German network agency referred Reuters to regulation that shows differentiated treatment for core and RAN components. The information security office did not reply to a request for comment on whether the high share of Chinese components could pose a security threat.

Jens Zimmermann, a lawmaker for the Social Democrats (SPD), the senior coalition party in the German government, accused telecoms operators of sticking to the minimum requirements of the new law rather than its spirit.

“If this attitude continues, we will need to tighten the legal framework,” the SPD spokesperson for digital policy said.

Germany could tighten requirements

The Strand report shows that while Germany is not alone in increasing its use of Chinese-made RAN gear in its 5G network, many small European countries, especially the Nordics and eastern states like Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Slovakia, do not use any.

In some of those countries, author John Strand told Reuters, operators themselves had chosen non-Chinese vendors to keep wary corporate customers happy.

The report noted, however, that Huawei has a higher market share in Berlin than in Beijing, where it faces tough competition from domestic rival ZTE.

A strategy paper by Germany’s Greens-run economy ministry has recommended increased scrutiny of components from authoritarian states in critical infrastructure.

“We need a general revision of commercial cooperation with companies from autocratic states,” said Greens lawmaker Konstantin von Notz, chairman of the parliamentary committee that oversees the intelligence services.

A more pro-active approach was needed, he said, to ensure Germany’s sovereignty “in the face of states like Russia and China”.

 
USA is giving Europe as gift to China.

First energy resources with Ukraine war.
And now Germany companies know-how with this.
 
This 5G coverage in the EU:

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Highest coverage is in Germany and Italy both of which allows Huawei.

Germany will get a leg up on the rest of Europe.
 
Germany companies should return to paper and pen to store his industrial secrets, if they know the better for them.
 
Ms. Merkel held up her iPhone and said~Oh yeah. Huawei has security problems....
 
Both, apple and huawei, are spying machines.

But USA is developed and it doesnt need to steal industrial secrets.

China is developing, growing and China can never have enough.

:lol:

You can expect Chinese cars so good as German brands in the coming years, thanks to this.
 
I visited one of the major Data Centres in North America, Guess what the backbone devices were all Huawei... Was very surprised.
 
Weaponizing...

I don't think Germany sees China and Russia as threats.

But USA thinks otherwise, because of geopolitical rivalry.

And the poor Germany gets caught in the middle.

After seeing what happened to Russia, I do believe there will be time for China.

Or it's already happening, except China is navigating it more carefully and wisely.

I do believe one day there will be a misstep.


And this misstep, I don't know belong to whom, USA or China.

Because of misstep, China falls into the USA's trap.

Or because of misstep, USA made a wrong move by trapping Russia or China.

This 5G coverage in the EU:

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Highest coverage is in Germany and Italy both of which allows Huawei.

Germany will get a leg up on the rest of Europe.

I thought there's no 5G in Europe.

It turns out it's not true.

I almost think this continent is going to be surpassed by the rest of the world, it turns out it's not.
 
Both, apple and huawei, are spying machines.

But USA is developed and it doesnt need to steal industrial secrets.

China is developing, growing and China can never have enough.

:lol:

You can expect Chinese cars so good as German brands in the coming years, thanks to this.
are any company more notorious for backdoors compared to Cisco ?
are any operating system worse than Microsoft Windows for backdoors ?
 

Germany ups reliance on Huawei for 5G despite security fears​

Reuters
December 17, 2022 6:27 AM

AP20037356049587.jpg

Huawei accounts for 59% of Germany’s 5G radio access network compared to 57% in 4G networks. (AP pic)

BERLIN: Germany has become even more dependent on Huawei for its 5G radio access network equipment (RAN) than in its 4G network despite growing worries about Chinese involvement in critical infrastructure, according to a new report.

Many European countries have banned Chinese companies from all or part of their 5G networks on security grounds, amid intense diplomatic pressure from the US.

But Huawei accounts for 59% of Germany’s 5G RAN – the base stations and related infrastructure that connect smartphones to the network – compared to 57% in 4G networks, according to the survey by telecommunications consultancy Strand Consult.

The survey, to be released next week but seen by Reuters, provides an overview of the roles of China’s Huawei and ZTE in the roll-out of next-generation mobile networks across Europe, singling out the region’s largest economy for its continued reliance on its top trade partner.

“There are indications that Germany has not taken the security threat that China poses seriously,” the study says, drawing comparisons to the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, long criticised by opponents as a security risk but which Berlin justified by saying Russia would not weaponise energy.

Huawei has repeatedly denied its equipment poses a security risk and accuses Washington of a protectionist desire to help US firms that cannot compete with its technology and pricing.

Huawei did not immediately reply to request for comment for this story.

Germany, home to operators like Deutsche Telekom and O2, passed an IT security law two years ago setting high hurdles for makers of telecommunications equipment for the “critical components” of 5G networks.


Critics note requirements are toughest for the core network, where sensitive data is processed, but say that is so enmeshed with RAN infrastructure that both can pose security risks.

The German network agency referred Reuters to regulation that shows differentiated treatment for core and RAN components. The information security office did not reply to a request for comment on whether the high share of Chinese components could pose a security threat.

Jens Zimmermann, a lawmaker for the Social Democrats (SPD), the senior coalition party in the German government, accused telecoms operators of sticking to the minimum requirements of the new law rather than its spirit.

“If this attitude continues, we will need to tighten the legal framework,” the SPD spokesperson for digital policy said.

Germany could tighten requirements

The Strand report shows that while Germany is not alone in increasing its use of Chinese-made RAN gear in its 5G network, many small European countries, especially the Nordics and eastern states like Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Slovakia, do not use any.

In some of those countries, author John Strand told Reuters, operators themselves had chosen non-Chinese vendors to keep wary corporate customers happy.

The report noted, however, that Huawei has a higher market share in Berlin than in Beijing, where it faces tough competition from domestic rival ZTE.

A strategy paper by Germany’s Greens-run economy ministry has recommended increased scrutiny of components from authoritarian states in critical infrastructure.

“We need a general revision of commercial cooperation with companies from autocratic states,” said Greens lawmaker Konstantin von Notz, chairman of the parliamentary committee that oversees the intelligence services.

A more pro-active approach was needed, he said, to ensure Germany’s sovereignty “in the face of states like Russia and China”.

Huawei only delivers radio access network equipment (RAN)?
That is nothing to worry.
RAN are sorts of antennas, aka senders, receivers. They are classified as access layer, don’t have high intelligence, unlike transport layer, aggregation layer, and core layer.
 
Huawei only delivers radio access network equipment (RAN)?
That is nothing to worry.
RAN are sorts of antennas, aka senders, receivers. They are classified as access layer, don’t have high intelligence, unlike transport layer, aggregation layer, and core layer.
Nothing to worry?
That makes the possibility of send data anonymously, if you can access network with fake id.

The problem of use a backdoor for a state, it's use it without nobody knows it.

are any company more notorious for backdoors compared to Cisco ?
are any operating system worse than Microsoft Windows for backdoors ?
That's because they are the most used, and then, the most studied and watched.

Anyway, USA car industry wont achieve so much spying Germany, but Chinese car industry can do a big jump spying German car brands companies.
 
Nothing to worry?
That makes the possibility of send data anonymously, if you can access network with fake id.

The problem of use a backdoor for a state, it's use it without nobody knows it.


That's because they are the most used, and then, the most studied and watched.

Anyway, USA car industry wont achieve so much spying Germany, but Chinese car industry can do a big jump spying German car brands companies.
RAN is access point, dumb device. It has no configuration, it loads the config from the controller when booting up. If huawei delivers RAN then I assume huawei delivers the controllers as well. Controller is classified as backend per definition.

So if huawei delivers controllers then technically very possible sending data to China or the PLA. However that’s just a theory. Every sane company employs firewalls to hinder data leaks.
 
RAN is access point, dumb device. It has no configuration, it loads the config from the controller when booting up. If huawei delivers RAN then I assume huawei delivers the controllers as well. Controller is classified as backend per definition.

So if huawei delivers controllers then technically very possible sending data to China or the PLA. However that’s just a theory. Every sane company employs firewalls to hinder data leaks.
Why Western states are worried about Huawei use in service providers and they are not worry in Huawei as smartphones brands?

Because Western states can monitor data leaks and avoid it if they hack only is in the user device (computer, smartphone, tablet). But if you control access to network, you can avoid state monitoring and spy without to be spied.
 
That's because they are the most used, and then, the most studied and watched.

Anyway, USA car industry wont achieve so much spying Germany, but Chinese car industry can do a big jump spying German car brands companies.
Wrong the must studied is Linux, when you go into server real it's Linux, your Android device or harmony device has Linux core. Those communication device probably have a core based on Linux
I'm sure USA industry as general can learn a lot from Chinese to learn how to be profitable. By the way its non 60s that USA industry was generation ahead of many other countries

So if huawei delivers controllers then technically very possible sending data to China or the PLA. However that’s just a theory. Every sane company employs firewalls to hinder data leaks.
Theorically possible but didn't Huawei deal with eu included clauses that Huawei provide firmware of those devices to EU for evaluation and so effectively that route is closed?

Why Western states are worried about Huawei use in service providers and they are not worry in Huawei as smartphones brands?

Because it's all political and western countries wanted to stop advance of Huawei as a successful Chinese company that was surpassing Samsung and Apple.
 
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