General of US Intelligence says No Plane Hit The Pentagon!!!

[shravan]

You can post anything you like. But I see it as nothing but clutter. This is how people like you 'debate'. You merely copy/paste from other sources. Your thinking is not your own. You expect others to do the heavy mental work for you.

You say that Major General, Physicist, Scientist, etc are crazy....

Again what did Norman said

During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President ... the plane is 50 miles out ... the plane is 30 miles out .... and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the Vice President "do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary? "

Why do you have crazy people working in such a big posts ?
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The below investigation Officer is definitely crazy. And i agree with you here.

 

[gambit]

Scientists, Scholars, Architects & Engineers respond to NIST | 911Blogger.com

WTC Technical Information Repository
Attention: Mr. Stephen Cauffman
National Institute of Standards and Technology
Stop 8610
Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8610

September 15, 2008

Re: Public Comments on WTC 7 Draft Reports

Dear Mr. Cauffman,

I am writing on behalf of a group of scientists, scholars, engineers and building professionals who are dedicated to scientific research regarding the destruction of all three high-rise buildings (WTC 1, 2 and 7) on September 11, 2001. We have examined the draft reports recently released by NIST purporting to explain the demise of WTC Building 7 (collectively referred to herein as the “Report”). We have found many areas that need to be revised and re-examined by NIST personnel before they release a final report on this matter. We have provided our names and affiliations at the end of this document, in accordance with the guidelines for submittal of comments promulgated by NIST at (NIST and the World Trade Center : News and Events).
... read the entire letter.

Like I said before...You do not really think it through. The US government is the one under this charge, and yet these people are asking supposedly the criminals to be honest?

Check the link again http://www.nyccan.org/ the site is created by the victims of 9/11.

Now I know you are desperate...Read what I posted again...Did I say that there is anything wrong with asking for an independent investigation?

The Petronas Towers are taller than the WTC towers. Certainly the oily Arabs can spare a few billions for a truly independent investigation, no?

Now Norman Mineta is a conspiracy theorists ?

No...He was confused.

what about Barry Jennings was he to a conspiracy theorist.

Source please.

Really. I thought it could have survived even if two planes would have hit the building. Weren't those buildings built that way?

Read what I posted about Robertson again.

You are indeed tiresome.

 

[shravan]

Source please.

Barry Jennings, a former New York Housing Authority Emergency Coordinator and key 9/11 witness, has died of undisclosed causes at the age of 53.

 

[shravan]

The Petronas Towers are taller than the WTC towers. Certainly the oily Arabs can spare a few billions for a truly independent investigation, no?

Don't they sleep with America ? Don't they get flogged when misbehaved.......

No...He was confused.

Why do you think he is confused ?

You are indeed tiresome.

Ok we will close at this.....

 

[shravan]

Flight 93

transcript: CNN Video Transcript Reveals Rumsfeld's Slip on Flight 93 "shot down"

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Military Whistleblower Claims She Witnessed Flight 93 Shootdown Order

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VQY-ksiuwKU[/media] - Barry Jennings - 9/11 WTC7 Full Uncut Interview - 1 of 2

Barry Jennings, a former New York Housing Authority Emergency Coordinator and key 9/11 witness, has died of undisclosed causes at the age of 53.

Oh no...Not the 'I heard explosions' bit again...

Have you ever seen an industrial capacitor explode?

Think about the word 'explosion' for a moment. Just because someone heard an explosion, that does not mean it was caused by something like TNT or Semtex. Throw spent batteries into a fire and you will have explosions. As far as sound goes, many things can sound like an 'explosion', like when concrete explode under heat. Concrete, in a fire, does what is known as 'spalling'...

Standard fire tests - Concrete spalling effect

Explosive Spalling is the result of a combination of rising pore pressures and thermal gradients in the cross-section.

At the front of heat penetration, a “moisture clog” (area with high pore pressure) develops inside the concrete.

Part of the moisture is pushed further into the colder part of the concrete due to the pressure gradient at the back of the clog.
If the heated surface is under compression due to a thermal gradient the complete heated surface may be blown away with a loud bang.
This type of spalling is especially likely to occur on structural members heated from more than one side, such as columns and beams.

When moisture clogs are advancing into the concrete from all heated sides, at some point in time the moisture clogs will meet in the centre of the cross-section, giving a sudden rise in pore pressure which may cause large parts of the cross-section to explode.

Sometimes it can sound like small fireworks, sometimes like small caliber firearms, and if the auditory environment is conducive enough, a concrete column under continuous heat, plus weight from above, can sound like an explosion to the untrained ear.

There is nothing new here with Jennings' recollections. It does not mean he did not hear what he perceived to be explosions, but it does mean the ultimately physical evidences trumphs everything and someone heard 'explosions' is not physical evidences.

 

[shravan]

Oh no...Not the 'I heard explosions' bit again...

So this building fell due to fire....

 

[gambit]

Flight 93

x6Xoxaf1Al0[/media] - Rumsfeld says Flight 93 was "shot down."

transcript: CNN Video Transcript Reveals Rumsfeld's Slip on Flight 93 "shot down"

Rumsfeld misspoke, plus...He was referring to terrorists, not the government that supposedly shot down Flight 93...

And I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word "terrorized" is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be.

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And...What does this supposed to mean? This pattern with you is, like I said earlier, tiresome. You do not seek any genuine debate because so far you have not done any. All you have done is flood the discussion with as many claims as possible. Physical evidences matters and so far everything have been debunked.

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Military Whistleblower Claims She Witnessed Flight 93 Shootdown Order
You have got to be kidding me, right? Another anonymous source. I can come up with my own anonymous source that say Osama bin Laden did it. Dismissed.

 

[gambit]

So this building fell due to fire....

If the structural damages were similar enough...Yes.



What you fail to understand is that just because two things behaved seemingly alike, that does not mean their causes are identical.

http://www.fpemag.com/archives/article.asp?issue_id=27&i=153

A fire-initiated full collapse of a textile factory occurred in Alexandria, Egypt, on July 19, 2000.6 This 6-story building was built of reinforced concrete, and its fire started at about 9 a.m. in the storage room at the ground floor. Fire extinguishers were nonfunctional, and the fire spread quickly before the firefighters could arrive. An electrical short-circuit accelerated the fire spread. At about 6 p.m., nine hours after the start of the fire, when the blaze seemingly was under control and subsiding, the building suddenly collapsed, killing 27 people. Figure 3 shows a photograph of this collapse.

Gee...Will ya look at that...A fire cause the total collapse of a building and it was only 6 stories tall.

 

[shravan]

Gee...Will ya look at that...A fire cause the total collapse of a building and it was only 6 stories tall.

WTC 7 was pooorly designed now ? Great. Thanks.

Its true everyone who speaks about 9/11 is crazy....

Seems like i have joined the club.....
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[gambit]

WTC 7 was pooorly designed now ? Great. Thanks.

Its true everyone who speaks about 9/11 is crazy....

Seems like i have joined the club.....
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Do not put words in my mouth. That is cheap and of course should be expected from a loony conspiracy theory believer.

 

[shravan]

Rumsfeld misspoke, plus...He was referring to terrorists, not the government that supposedly shot down Flight 93...

I know that every High Profile American are either crazy or open their mouth at the wrong time.
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Ya i was crazycrazy to provide the transcript.

 

[shravan]

Do not put words in my mouth. That is cheap and of course should be expected from a loony conspiracy theory believer.

LOL. Its not me check your government official report. NIST NCSTAR 1A

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[gambit]

I know that every High Profile American are either crazy or open their mouth at the wrong time.
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Ya i was crazycrazy to provide the transcript.

This is why I do not believe you to be a very smart person, or at least have any experience in a technical profession. In any investigation, physical evidences trumphs ALL, even those of high profile people, whatever they may say. NORAD's operation and responsibilities are physical evidences and you have been debunked. Explosions supposedly heard are physical evidences and you have been debunked. Fire in a structure is physical evidence and you have been debunked. You provided no response to my disputations to what you brought on other than to bring on something else. Try to stick to the physical evidences and the scientific sources if you can.

 

[gambit]

LOL. Its not me check you government official report. NIST NCSTAR 1A

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Show me the paragraph where the word 'poorly' was appropriate in context.