Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

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"The term “apartheid”, an Afrikaans word, derived from the French term “mettre à part”, literally translated to “separating, setting apart.” Apartheid is a policy that is founded on the idea of separating people based on racial or ethnic criteria" - From Cornell Law school

The word now has become taboo, but fundamentally, it is what nationhood is. Incompatible people living apart. Whether it is "Two-State solution", "Two-Nation theory", dissolution of USSR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Pakistan (1971), they all represent separate nations for different peoples.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

If this is the case, then it would be neglectable loss even if IDF do loses 800, you are talking about a division, between 10,000 to 12,000 men.....

Ono the other hand, what's the point losing 2000+ of your own men 9and now up to 12,000 gazan) to kill 800 from a division?? That did not make any sense at all...........

Where did Hamas lose 2000 men on Oct 7? The casualties of Hamas fighters and other resistance factions on Oct 7 was roughly 200. Where did you get the 2000 figure? Even the Israelis revised the toll from that day from 1400 to 1200, since the 200 difference was the Hamas and other Palestinian factions' casualties.

And you're questioning the 20000 civilians massacred by Israel? That is because the US and other European countries such as UK, France, Italy, and others are providing bunker busting bombs against a beleaguered enclave that doesn't have an air force, navy, and air defense means to counter it.

You're acting as if the Hamas attack on Oct 7 happened in a vacuum. 2.3 million people were caged in a concentration camp where Israel controlled air, land exits, and the sea. The Israeli air force were constantly bombing them. The economic suffocation was very severe.

In the West Bank, the Israelis were continuing the evictions of Palestinians from East Jerusalem, the home demolitions and apartheid system were part of the norm, the daily killing and massacres were routine, the detaining of over 8000 Palestinians with no chance of justice where the Israeli military were the judge and jury was ongoing, and the Israelis were constantly violating the sanctity of Al-Aqsa Mosque.

And with such background, you're still asking why Hamas took the action of October 7? Did they have a choice? It is better to die with dignity than being on your knees. And even the current genocide that Israel and its Wester backers unleashed on the Palestinian people, the resistance is Gaza is delivering heavy casualties on invading, mass-murdering Israeli forces. It got to the point where Israel had to cancel their old tank shipments to Morocco and Ukraine. If the resistance in Gaza were not taking a toll on the Israeli armor, they would not cancel the tanks they already sold to Morocco and Ukraine.


Lastly, as an American, if AIPAC and powerful Zionists emasculated American politicians to the point where the Israeli PM has more say in America than the American president, stop rubbing your lack of manhood and stupidity on others. It is not a fate others, certainly Palestinians, wish for themselves.

 

[Aneeq Rashid]

Allah O'Akbar.

You have the video? Because not sure maybe the Trophy APS worked?

In this case I believe aps worked. Hence explosion not directly on the the tank. I think they are more successful when they are close and hit from side and back door. But everytime they hit the front its above engine. There is less armour there. But they have to be really close to beat aps.

 

[Clutch]

 

[khansaheeb]

A regional bloodbath beckons​

Greg Shupak The Electronic Intifada 16 November 2023

The US has given Israel carte blanche to attack Palestinians.
EyePress
The Biden administration is bringing the Middle East to the brink of a potentially catastrophic regional war.
Signs of a wider conflagration abound. Last month, Israel delayed its ground invasion of Gaza in deference to the US request that Israel wait until America completes preparations for a broader conflict.
Israel and Lebanon’s Hizbollah have been fighting since 8 October and, on 5 November, their skirmishes escalated when Israel killed four Lebanese civilians – three of them children – prompting a Hizballah retaliation that killed one Israeli civilian.
Since then, the bloodshed has continued, with Israel suggesting it could inflict on Beirut a cataclysm similar to that which it has inflicted on Gaza.
Meanwhile, Hamas’ Qassam Brigades say they fired rockets at Israel from inside Lebanon.
Moreover, Yemen’s Houthis says they launched ballistic missiles and drones at Israel and promised more of the same “until the Israeli aggression stops.”
Israel has repeatedly bombed Syria in the last month, in one instance killing at least eight soldiers, while fighters allied with the Syrian government have shot rockets at the Israeli occupied Golan Heights.
Iraqi and Syrian groups have struck US bases in their countries more than a dozen times, and the US has subsequently bombed Syria. The Houthis also took out a US drone, which the movement said was flying over Yemeni waters and spying on their forces. The US government acknowledged the incident.
The uptick in regional violence is inextricably linked to Washington’s unwavering support for Israel’s homicidal rampage against the Palestinians. America and Israel’s non-Palestinian antagonists are quite clear on this point.

“Your aggression”​

The US claims that the attacks on its bases have nothing to do with Israel’s murderous onslaught against the Palestinians but, according to The Cradle and to Syrian state media, the Iraqi group Kataib Hezbollah says it carried out attacks against US troops and will continue because of Gaza.
“The Americans are essential partners in killing the residents of the Gaza Strip and therefore, they must bear the consequences.”
Similarly, Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi said that Israeli crimes “have crossed the red lines, and this may force everyone to take action.”
He said: “Washington asks us to not do anything, but they keep giving widespread support to Israel.” The US, Raisi went on to say, “sent messages to the Axis of Resistance but received a clear response on the battlefield.”
Hasan Nasrallah, the leader of Hizballah, blamed the US for Israel’s murderous offensive against Gaza and said that the American government must rapidly end it if they want to prevent a regional war.
Israel simply would not be able to do what it does to Palestinians and to others in the region, at least not to a comparable degree, without the US’ lavish military support and blanket political cover.
“You, the Americans, can stop the aggression against Gaza because it is your aggression.”
The US has given Israel roughly $130 billion in military aid since Israel’s founding and, in the aftermath of 7 October, Biden requested $14.3 billion in additional assistance to Israel, which has been approved by the US House of Representatives, but [not yet by] (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4311667-senate-passes-johnson-bill-t….) the US Senate.
The Biden administration has gone so far as to say that it wants to be able to conduct arms deals in secret, without scrutiny from Congress or the public.
Such measures render laughable reports that the US is trying to get Israel to dial down its violence but cannot.
Even as the US knows perfectly well that it is provoking pro-Palestinian forces in the Middle East, American planners’ actions and rhetoric have been consistently belligerent. Biden has used vaguely threatening language toward Iran, saying that his government has “made it clear” to the Islamic Republic that it should “be careful” and not intervene in Palestine.

Militarizing the region​

A White House National Security Council spokesperson said that the US sent its USS Gerald R. Ford Carrier Strike Group, the world’s largest aircraft carrier, to the Eastern Mediterranean as “a strong signal of deterrence should any actor hostile to Israel consider trying to escalate or widen this war.”
Biden’s government has sent public and private messages to Hizballah and Iran through third parties, warning them not to intervene. A US official said Hizballah and Iran responded by saying that they do not want an escalation but that they might have to intervene if Israel continues its military operation in Gaza.
Washington has been clear that Israel can do whatever it wants to the Palestinians and the US will not curtail its support: White House national security spokesperson John Kirby told reporters that Washington is “not drawing red lines for Israel.”
What the Biden administration is saying is that it will help Israel kill as many Palestinians as it wants while decimating Gaza’s infrastructure and that, if any of the Palestinians’ allies become more directly involved in helping the Palestinians defend themselves, America will attack those parties.
The US also appears to be saying that Hizballah has no right to fight back against Israel, even when Israel drops white phosphorous on Lebanon, as it did on 10 October, as Human Rights Watch detailed. Amnesty International would subsequently conclude that Israel used the weapon between 10 and 16 October, unlawfully injuring civilians in the town of Dhayra.
The US is matching its aggressive words with aggressive actions. It has upped its already vast supply of military personnel and hardware in the Middle East. Washington has dispatched a THAAD antiballistic missile defense system and an unknown number of Patriot missile battalions to unspecified locations across the Middle East.
Include two aircraft carrier groups, each carrying approximately 7,500 personnel, two amphibious Navy ships with thousands of Marines and, all told, the US has about 45,000 military personnel based in the Middle East.
Such actions further militarize the region and escalate already stratospherically high tensions, nurturing a climate for a wider war.
To avoid a potentially catastrophic war, the US must rein in Israel, support peace through liberation across all of historic Palestine, compel Israel to withdraw from Lebanon and Syria, while the US itself needs to withdraw from Iraq and Syria, and refrain from interfering in Yemen’s affairs.
Absent such steps, the US and its partners might be able to temporarily re-establish something like the 6 October stalemate – with brutal injustice for the Palestinians as its lynchpin – but not for very long. If America continues along its present course and a multinational regional bloodbath unfolds, the Biden administration will be responsible.
Greg Shupak writes fiction and political analysis and teaches Media Studies and English at the University of Guelph-Humber. He is the author of The Wrong Story: Palestine, Israel, and the Media.

A regional bloodbath beckons

Washington has been clear that Israel can do whatever it wants, bringing wider war nearer.

electronicintifada.net

 

[elszADaQ]

Al Qassam Brigades Published the video, including the weapons and equipment in which they shot the armored vehicles of the invading ( #Gaza #İsrail soldiers who entered the #Gaza lane, killed the invading soldiers and took the loot. Allahu Akber walillahill Hamd

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726217833691193697

 

[Gomig-21]

There was never ever any intention from the Zionists to go for a 2 state solution. You need to understand that to understand the desperate situation the Palestinians are in. It's all smoke and mirrors, buying time and the zionazis boast about it to the Palestinians all the time. Their jibber jabber to the world is just that. The west bank basically capitulated in the hopes of stopping the settlements and it didn't do jack shit, to the contrary the settlements policy accelerated at an unprecedented pace. It's now a series of small enclaves surrounded by rabid extremist settlers and IDF gestapo fascists where every aspect of life is controlled by the occupation. And Gaza is under an illegal medieval siege. When political treaties are ignored, when peaceful protests are met with snipers and tanks, when vital infrastructure is bombed every couple of years for no reason, what is left to do?

Humans are willing to die for their dignity. That doesn't make them stupid. Millions died to achieve it, does it make them stupid too? The solution is a 1 state solution where the settlers let go of any claim to superiority and their ethno-fascist project. Hopefully the international pressure will push them to do so one day. It's inhuman to ask them to keep dying and suffering in silence.

And please I am trying to be polite. Don't make me say things I haven't said regarding the miscalculation of Hamas. I never said they didn't expect retaliation, but I doubt they expected the Israelis to flatten everything putting the lives of the hostages in jeopardy.

^^ This is one of the best posts I've read on this entire incredible thread. I bolded the entire first paragraph because you described the historical culmination exactly as it has been, and I highlighted the most important 5 words that our friend @jhungary knows very well since he's a pretty smart fella and an ex-soldier and understands the factual dilemma that the Palestinians face; "what is left to do?" That's the bottom line.

He's looking at it strictly from a strategic point of view - a well thought-out plan of attack with a well thought-out defensive plan for the well-known brutal counterattack that was most certain to come and then a goal in the numbers game that gives them some level of eventual advantage for some form of victory. All well & done in a conventional scenario just as he stated himself. But this is about as unconventional as it can get when it's so lopsided in strength of everything, numbers, equipment, manpower, weapons, funding etc. The ideology of fighting an existential resistance is a practical impossibility when the odds are so stacked to one side, so the sacrifice is not only accepted, but also necessary.

When you're a professionally trained soldier for the United States military who's fought a war and trained in really the best military discipline, you're much more focused on strategic war concepts (even mission-specific operations such as COIN and so on) that the thought process is developed to be goal-oriented & specific. For some it's hard to understand the concept of sacrificing at any cost because there is no other choice.

The rest of your post is brilliant, too, but I just had to highlight that perfect description of the ground reality. It couldn't have been said any better. Kudos to you, sir. (And pls, pardon me if I gender-saluted you incorrectly).

 

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[khansaheeb]

Seems like IDF dosn't want to go into Gaza:

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[elszADaQ]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726307973646143820

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726352405728805031

 

[Gomig-21]

Al Qassam Brigades Published the video, including the weapons and equipment in which they shot the armored vehicles of the invading ( #Gaza #İsrail soldiers who entered the #Gaza lane, killed the invading soldiers and took the loot. Allahu Akber walillahill Hamd

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726217833691193697

Who was it that made the best description for these brave men was it @PakAlp ? Or was it @Meengla ? When he called them something like the Addidas Mujahideen or something to that effect which is just perfect when you watch that video and these ultra brave men fighting the infamous zionist demon force wearing just their regular Addidas sweatpants and football tee-shirts and many of them even wearing Addidas/Ghaza slippers running through rubble and debris carrying RPGs only. The Addidas Mujahideen right there. Whomever coined that phrase please remind me exactly what it was I know I'm not getting the whole thing right. It's so true and evident right in that great video. And the irony of the collected "trophies" at the end after showing all those demon steels being battered. Gotta love it.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

There was never ever any intention from the Zionists to go for a 2 state solution. You need to understand that to understand the desperate situation the Palestinians are in. It's all smoke and mirrors, buying time and the zionazis boast about it to the Palestinians all the time. Their jibber jabber to the rest of the world is just that. The west bank basically capitulated in the hopes of stopping the settlements and it didn't do jack shit, to the contrary the settlements policy accelerated at an unprecedented pace. It's now a series of small enclaves surrounded by rabid extremist settlers and IDF gestapo fascists where every aspect of life is controlled by the occupation. And Gaza is under an illegal medieval siege. When political treaties are ignored, when peaceful protests are met with snipers and tanks, when vital infrastructure is bombed every couple of years for no reason, what is left to do?

Humans are willing to die for their dignity. That doesn't make them stupid. Millions died to achieve it, does it make them stupid too? The solution is a 1 state solution where the settlers let go of any claim to superiority and their ethno-fascist project. Hopefully the international pressure will push them to do so one day. It's inhuman, and frankly disgusting, to ask the valiant Palestinian people to keep dying and suffering in silence.

And please I am trying to be civil. Don't make me say things I haven't said regarding the miscalculation of Hamas. I never said they didn't expect retaliation, but I doubt they expected the Israelis to flatten everything putting the lives of the hostages in jeopardy.

Very good post. Why didn't Arab leadership see it coming? Or they don't care?

 

[PakistaniandProud]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726352915701387409

This is how it should be.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Nobody in the history of mankind has raped more than European colonizers

The Spanish Empire created a new race because of how much r4ping they did.

 

[RayKalm]