Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023
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My impression of Egypt's problems are from this:I agree, there's absolutely no need for war and if you're getting the impression that they're posturing for that, it couldn't be further from the truth. Egypt is actually doing the opposite, trying to avoid war but it can't just cower. It has to take some sort of stand to show it can and will defend itself.
But you were making the point that Libya & Egypt are even more broken than Egypt, yes? That means you're implying that Egypt is in fact broken as well. My point was that it's not even close. Egypt is hardly a "broken" country. It's certainly struggling because of the worldwide recession and excess poverty (which BTW has been a huge part of the budget to fix) but by that same token, is India broken due to its poverty? Not even close.
And when you look at GDPs, you have to take into account population size. Libya @ 7 million while Egypt @ 105 million and even so, as a 'country', which is what you were assessing as "broken" you need to look at the combined forms of GDP. By looking only at GDP per capita, the same could be said about Luxemburg ranked 1st compared to the US at 9th overall. Does that mean the US is more "broken" than Luxemburg?
What's the difference, anyway? They're trying to sell it to the world as the complete destruction of Hamas. Take it whichever you chose, my point is even if, erased or transferred, is that really going to slow the resistance let alone stop it? Or is it going to quadruple it, potentially giving rise to a much more brutal level of worldly terrorism including inside the apartheid state.
Hypothetically you're on the money. But we all know a Palestinian tent city in Sinai is never going to happen. At most a transfer of the critically injured to hospitals and maybe a small refugee camp, but that's it.
And your prediction of Gazans having even better resources and fighting back even harder proves my point that this genocide is not accomplishing what the US and especially the apartheid state are trying to sell us, the complete eradication of Hamas. That just isn't going to happen and as a matter of fact, this genocide will exacerbate what happened on October 7th and even worse.
The United States' position is actually an apprehensive one. On one hand they're showing unconditional support to the criminals on the other hand there is no question they're worried about this loose cannon and the fallout of supporting this genocide. They cannot be sitting in the war room thinking "yeah baby, drop them bombs we're giving you and have a blast (no pun intended) and have a genocide on us!"
Either way, it will only make matters worse is my point. They're not fixing things for themselves and certainly not for the US, only making matters worse. The consequences of this genocide will be far-reaching in horrific ways, no matter what the outcome is. Even if it doesn't escalate into a major regional war. If that happens, oh boy.
Economic crisis: Is Egypt the 'new Lebanon?' – DW – 01/20/2023
Food prices have doubled, salaries have halved and banks are restricting withdrawals: Egyptians now have the same problems as the Lebanese. But if things get worse here, the fallout will be far more damaging.
www.dw.com
More and more rockets reach tel aviv with more destructive impacts, still small fraction what heroic Haza has to endure.
Enemy troop carrier Namer destroyed by Hamas, it carries 9 soldiers, lot of reports that the newest incursion attempt crushed by resistance.
Enemy troop carrier Namer destroyed by Hamas, it carries 9 soldiers, lot of reports that the newest incursion attempt crushed by resistance.
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What a “coincidence “ you met one.
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"Israel says fighting in Gaza will be ‘long, difficult’ as Gulf states condemn ground ops"
So, these blood-thirsty Zionist war-criminals are getting disappointed and feeling defeated despite targeting the Palestinian residential buildings, hospitals, and schools. That coward war-criminal Netanyahu was threatening for the ground attack for several days now. Last night these Zionist cowards tried ti invade the den of Allah's lions. 311 of these terrorist Zionists were sent to the hellfire, 268 coward Zionist soldiers were made captive, and 37 tank destroyed. These Zionist cowards had to use dozens of helicopters to evacuate their dead and wounded. Israeli Channel 14 saying that group operation was a total disappointment.
The only thing that these coward Zionist war-criminals can do is kill Palestinian babies, children, and women in Gaza residential buildings, hospitals, and schools. Shame on these lowest of the lows of the human kind.
So, these blood-thirsty Zionist war-criminals are getting disappointed and feeling defeated despite targeting the Palestinian residential buildings, hospitals, and schools. That coward war-criminal Netanyahu was threatening for the ground attack for several days now. Last night these Zionist cowards tried ti invade the den of Allah's lions. 311 of these terrorist Zionists were sent to the hellfire, 268 coward Zionist soldiers were made captive, and 37 tank destroyed. These Zionist cowards had to use dozens of helicopters to evacuate their dead and wounded. Israeli Channel 14 saying that group operation was a total disappointment.
The only thing that these coward Zionist war-criminals can do is kill Palestinian babies, children, and women in Gaza residential buildings, hospitals, and schools. Shame on these lowest of the lows of the human kind.
It is not turning,maybe my wording is limited, just work with them in full possible capacity and you will see results sooner then expected.
You shunned Iran for irrelevant and minor reasons, do not use huge potential of Turkiye industrial and educational base, but yes, i suppose you have to clean up your own house first.
Video of Hamas ATGM hit on Israeli Panther APC from yesterday's attempted incursion
Israelis are for sure hiding casualties. @Falcon29 @Mehdipersian
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Palestinians resistance will never die
they are not the black people of Africa who will pray for their occupiers crimes
they will fight until their last breath
today I was at a protest and we had a march for Palestine I met some brother from Gaza entire family killed
he had his head high and did not grieve he said we are from the land of martyrs and land of resistance death is our shroud
I felt ashamed and asked for forgiveness I have never felt so mentally small
beautiful a good Israeli is a dead Israeli
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People can see through the Israeli lies nowadays the persecution of the Palestinians and are calling the ongoing conflict openly for what it is a genocide .
In pubs in clubs at work people know who the real baby killers are .
The public has toppled statues of colonial masters thrown them in the river , destroyed dozens . School books are being changed from hero’s to oppressors .
The generation who’s voice matters has spoken they will not be a part of this racist colonial apartheid system anymore .
The two main political parties in the U.K. are
conservatives ( tories ) and the Labour Party .
Right & left.
Tories are in power and have destroyed the country . No police on the streets , no doctors & hospital appointments available .
Fat cat party of the rich who punish the poor and feed the rich .
A disgusting racist party .
Britain 2023
You’ve fought for your country against the Germans , paid tax for all of your life , 50 years taxed to the hilt .
You want help now your old ,are sick or injured dial 999 for ambulance . None come, there isn’t enough available they are all queued up outside hospital main entrances due to no room nor doctors to help .
Rushed off their feet too busy to **** .
You die , waiting for an ambulance
110,000 deaths which could have been saved were told
This is the country at the current time .
The Labour Party supposedly just has to turn up on Election Day and Keir Starmer will walk the premiership .
Published by Statista Research Department, Oct 6, 2023
In October 2023, 45 percent of British adults would vote for the Labour Party in a general election, compared with 24 percent who would vote for the Conservative Party. The ruling Conservatives trailed Labour in the polls throughout 2022, with a huge gap emerging in September, when Liz Truss came to power. Truss' short time as Prime Minister was widely seen as a disaster for the country and her party, and she was succeeded by Rishi Sunak as Prime Minister in October. Although Labour's lead has narrowed slightly since Sunak became Prime Minister, the Conservatives would lose the next general election based on these
Now to the Palestinian Israeli conflict and the leader of the Labour Party agreeing with the Israelis to cut the water , food & energy as punishment for the Palestinians has caused an uproar in the Labour Party .
The left leaning working class party of Great Britain which as polls go will walk the next general election has been rocked to its core .
The British public have had enough
This is current scenario of the U.K. .
Labour voters tend to think Keir Starmer has badly handled Labour’s response to Gaza crisis
Matthew SmithHead of Data Journalism
October 27, 2023, 1:14 PM GMT+0
Keir Starmer has come under fire from sections of the Labour party for his response to the unfolding conflict in Israel and Palestine. Keir Starmer has refused to heed requests from MPs and councillors to call for a ceasefire, saying that Israel has a right to defend itself, and several cabinet members are said to be on ‘resignation watch’ over his stance.
Now a new YouGov survey finds that 42% of 2019 Labour voters think that Keir Starmer has badly handled Labour’s response to the situation in Israel and Palestine, including 20% who say he has handled it “very badly”. By contrast, only 26% think he has handled it well.
This is not enormously different from the wider public’s assessment of Starmer’s response: 42% of Britons say he has done badly, and 18% say he has done well.
Rishi Sunak is equally likely to be seen by the public as having done a bad job managing the crisis, at 43%. More are likely to say that he has done well (27%) than Starmer – this is because Conservative voters tend to approve of their party leader’s approach, in contrast to Labour. That said, Sunak’s handling is even more unpopular with Labour voters than Starmer’s – 65% say he has done a bad job.
The prime minister’s approach is clearly perceived as being more pro-Israel: 61% of Britons who say they sympathise more with the Israeli side think Sunak has handled the crisis well, while 81% of those who sympathise more with the Palestinians disagree.
Starmer’s approach is criticised by both sides: 61% of pro-Palestinians say it has been bad, with pro-Israelis saying the same by 46% to 27%. The Labour leader suffers from partisanship in this regard – Conservatives voters tend to be more sympathetic to the Israeli side, and are not willing to give their rival party’s leader credit for his approach.
See the full results here
Photo: Getty
Keir Starmer warned: More will quit Labour unless you speak for Palestinians
Labour is facing a wave of further resignations unless the party strengthens its public support for the Palestinian people, it was warned on Thursday.
Keir Starmer warned: More will quit Labour unless you speak for Palestinians
The Labour leader and his deputy Angela Rayner met a dozen MPs and peers on Wednesday afternoon in a bid to calm tensions
www.standard.co.uk
Labours lost the next election now due to its Palestine policy .
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Brother I know you’re not from pakistan so I will give you some context with my very limited knowledge. Pakistan has been historically in the Saudi camp, for good reason geopolitically. For example they are very rich lol. Also pakistan is an islamic republic so makkah and madinah is in the hearts of every Muslim. We have given nuclear blanket to saudi if anybody tries to invade the holy cities. Ideally we should be close to Iran but Iran and saudis have a huge beef. You will see it on this thread to arabs and Iranian don’t get along lol. Secondly Iran is heavily sanctioned so it is not as beneficial to us as saudi because the people who sanction Iran on their orders our former prime minister is in jail. Hence my original point that we need to create our independent identity.
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People can see through the Israeli lies nowadays the persecution of the Palestinians and are calling the ongoing conflict openly for what it is a genocide .
In pubs in clubs at work people know who the real baby killers are .
The public has recently toppled statues of past colonial masters thrown them in the river , destroyed dozens of past British hero’s .School books are being changed from hero’s to oppressors .
The generation who’s voice matters has spoken they will not be a part of this racist colonial apartheid system anymore .
The two main political parties in the U.K. are
conservatives ( tories ) and the Labour Party .
Right & left.
Tories are in power and have destroyed the country . No police on the streets , no doctors & hospital appointments available .
Fat cat party of the rich who punish the poor and feed the rich .
A disgusting racist party .
Britain 2023
You’ve fought for your country against the Germans , paid tax for all of your life , 50 years taxed to the hilt .
You want help now your old ,are sick or injured dial 999 for ambulance . None come, there isn’t enough available they are all queued up outside hospital main entrances due to no room nor doctors to help .
Rushed off their feet too busy to **** .
You die , waiting for an ambulance
110,000 deaths which could have been saved were told
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This is the country at the current time .
The Labour Party supposedly just has to turn up on Election Day and Keir Starmer will walk the premiership .
Published by Statista Research Department, Oct 6, 2023
In October 2023, 45 percent of British adults would vote for the Labour Party in a general election, compared with 24 percent who would vote for the Conservative Party. The ruling Conservatives trailed Labour in the polls throughout 2022, with a huge gap emerging in September, when Liz Truss came to power. Truss' short time as Prime Minister was widely seen as a disaster for the country and her party, and she was succeeded by Rishi Sunak as Prime Minister in October. Although Labour's lead has narrowed slightly since Sunak became Prime Minister, the Conservatives would lose the next general election based on these
Now to the Palestinian Israeli conflict and the leader of the Labour Party agreeing with the Israelis to cut the water , food & energy as punishment for the Palestinians has caused an uproar in the Labour Party .
The left leaning working class party of Great Britain which as polls go will walk the next general election has been rocked to its core .
The British public have had enough
This is current scenario of the U.K. .
Labour voters tend to think Keir Starmer has badly handled Labour’s response to Gaza crisis
Matthew SmithHead of Data Journalism
October 27, 2023, 1:14 PM GMT+0
Keir Starmer has come under fire from sections of the Labour party for his response to the unfolding conflict in Israel and Palestine. Keir Starmer has refused to heed requests from MPs and councillors to call for a ceasefire, saying that Israel has a right to defend itself, and several cabinet members are said to be on ‘resignation watch’ over his stance.
Now a new YouGov survey finds that 42% of 2019 Labour voters think that Keir Starmer has badly handled Labour’s response to the situation in Israel and Palestine, including 20% who say he has handled it “very badly”. By contrast, only 26% think he has handled it well.
This is not enormously different from the wider public’s assessment of Starmer’s response: 42% of Britons say he has done badly, and 18% say he has done well.
Rishi Sunak is equally likely to be seen by the public as having done a bad job managing the crisis, at 43%. More are likely to say that he has done well (27%) than Starmer – this is because Conservative voters tend to approve of their party leader’s approach, in contrast to Labour. That said, Sunak’s handling is even more unpopular with Labour voters than Starmer’s – 65% say he has done a bad job.
The prime minister’s approach is clearly perceived as being more pro-Israel: 61% of Britons who say they sympathise more with the Israeli side think Sunak has handled the crisis well, while 81% of those who sympathise more with the Palestinians disagree.
Starmer’s approach is criticised by both sides: 61% of pro-Palestinians say it has been bad, with pro-Israelis saying the same by 46% to 27%. The Labour leader suffers from partisanship in this regard – Conservatives voters tend to be more sympathetic to the Israeli side, and are not willing to give their rival party’s leader credit for his approach.
See the full results here
Photo: Getty
Keir Starmer warned: More will quit Labour unless you speak for Palestinians
Labour is facing a wave of further resignations unless the party strengthens its public support for the Palestinian people, it was warned on Thursday.
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