Galwan Valley. China got India by the neck?

[Feng Leng]

It's time for the elephant to show the dragon its shupa powa!

The guy looks like Michael Douglas and the lady has some nice jugs.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Rather then reality

It's all about ego for Indians

So they are looking for a way out, some way to defend the illusion of the Indian Hindu military they have built up in their heads



Last year after we suckered Abhi-not-indian they immediately were forced to claim the F16 with no evidence as a ego protection excercise knowing that the Indian fanboys needed a comfort point they could retreat to once they were confronted with the reality and evidence of their defeat


I think Indian/Hindu ego's are incredibly fragile and burdened
Just like Jinnah stated, this fragility of ego and burden of history is what is leading them to justify injustice against muslim civilians

It took them months to acknowledge they themselves shoot down their own heli during swift retort where DG ISPR from day one was clear that it was the case of own goal.

Chinese have already dig in. As per reports. They are telling Indian that it is a done case, no talks on this and only talks will be on further issues.

It is the opposite:
https://theprint.in/opinion/chinese...efore-it-was-cleared-by-indian-troops/428658/

 

[masterchief_mirza]

For You Every Indian Is a sangi rat Till I Take your Line

I am Catholic And Konkan

Yes we already know you try extra extra hard. You seem to make this exact announcement once a week.

 

[Bil]

LOL at all the posts of Indian's who are trying their level best to make it look like that, nothing has happened, everything is hunky dory and under control. However, these days due to social media, information with such magnitude can't stay hidden for even few hours.

Afsoos, ya waqat bhi ana tha Indian's per (laga raho Munna bhai and keep on giving the justification for the embarrassment Chinese dished out to you).

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Why is Modi quiet?

Indians should ask this simple question to themselves. When every other hour some news update explodes on this episode, why doesn't Modi simply make India's position clear and warn China once and for all? Have I missed it....maybe he has said something to this effect?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Why is Modi quiet?

Indians should ask this simple question to themselves. When every other hour some news update explodes on this episode, why doesn't Modi simply make India's position clear and warn China once and for all? Have I missed it....maybe he has said something to this effect?

He is waiting for the 56 inches "implants" that still havent arrived from America and Israel.

If you know what I mean.

 

[newb3e]

I have a simple question, if everyone is in her own border. Then why all this fuss? Why Indians have scheduled high level meeting with Chinese. After all Indians have already pushed them back. So, whats whe point.

they want to try bat soup probably the oy reason they want a high lvl meeting!

bakhts defy logic some say they have wings and can also fly and fire meejael from the g!

crazy creatures!

Why is Modi quiet?

Indians should ask this simple question to themselves. When every other hour some news update explodes on this episode, why doesn't Modi simply make India's position clear and warn China once and for all? Have I missed it....maybe he has said something to this effect?

supreme leader
supa asspy
and booobpins rawat
all loading their 56 inch boobies with meejael bas load hojain phir shoro;

 

[Taimoor Khan]

This is what at stake here for India.

There should be no doubt that Pakistan got full interest on what is PLA doing in galwan valley which got direct impact on daulat beg oldie airstrip/base of Indian forces.

https://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/why-is-daulat-beg-oldie-so-important-for-india_870595.html

India holds the airstrip dear as it can use the airstrip for fast deployment of men and material to the region and can potentially block the Karakoram highway between China and Pakistan.

Given reports that China has taken over the Gilgit-Baltistan area on lease from Pakistan for 50 years, Daulat Beg Oldie presents a real challenge to Chinese plans. China is also working on a plan to link the Karakoram highway to the Gwadar port in Pakistan – given it a strategic exit to Arabian Sea.

Also, the airstrip is important to help India safeguard the Siachen Glacier as essential supplies can be airlifted in times of emergency or when roads get blocked due to inclement weather.

However, the fact remains that China has a sophisticated military infrastructure in Tibet that includes five fully operational air bases and an extensive rail network as against the poor state of affairs on the Indian side.

The landing of C-130J Super Hercules transport aircraft, which is capable of lifting upto 20 tonnes of load, is being hailed as a big leap in augmenting India’s position as it gives a six-fold increase in deployment capabilities over the An-32 and Mi-17s so far deployed to DBO.

IAF’s latest success will certainly add weight to India’s bargaining power with China in the high altitude long drawn-out war of attrition between the two sides.

 

[IHK_PK]

Also found it relevant......IHK.






Echoes of Kargil: China intrusion can lead to India losing DBO link


By Ajai Shukla

Business Standard, 1st June 20


In what the army is recognizing as a repeat of Pakistan’s 1999 Kargil intrusions, but this time by China in eastern Ladakh, troops of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) continue consolidating their defences in the Galwan River and Pangong Lake areas, up to three kilometres (km) inside territory that the Indian Army has patrolled and claimed for decades.


Just as the Kargil intrusions allowed Pakistani troops to dominate the Srinagar-Zojila-Kargil-Leh highway and threatened to cut off Ladakh from the north; the Chinese intrusion into the Galwan River valley allows PLA troops to overlook the strategic Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldi (DSDBO) highway and cut off the army’s lone year-round connection with its isolated “Sub-Sector North” (SSN), at the base of the Karakoram Pass.


PLA soldiers that have established themselves at the mouth of the Galwan River valley at its confluence with the Shyok River are just one-and-a-half kilometres from the DSDBO road. They overlook the road, which winds along the Shyok River valley, and can bring down artillery and missile fire to prevent its use.


The PLA apparently intends to dominate this road permanently. Even as top Chinese officials declare the issue can be resolved through dialogue, PLA intruders are building bunkers while PLA engineers are connecting their forward troops with China’s formidable road infrastructure on the Line of Actual Control (LAC).


Government sources conservatively estimate that the PLA has captured more than 60 square kilometres of Indian-patrolled territory in the last month – equally divided between the northern bank of the Pangong Lake and the Galwan River sectors.


Chinese troops now block access to several Indian “Patrolling Points” (PPs) along the LAC, which Indian army patrols have regularly visited for decades to assert their claim over the area. Amongst them are PP-14, 16, 18 and 19.


At this time of the year, when the risk of Chinese intrusions is highest, it has been customary for the army’s Udhampur-based Northern Command to move reserve formations into the area, ostensibly for “training exercises”. But this year, reserve troops were retained in their peacetime locations because of the Covid-19 pandemic.


Consequently, there has been a dire shortage of reserve troops to react to the PLA’s multiple intrusions. By the time the northern army was able to move reserves into the area, the PLA had already consolidated its hold over its newly acquired positions.


Army headquarters in New Delhi is coming round to the view that top generals in Ladakh have been caught napping. There is growing talk about replacing the corps commander in Leh, and even the northern army commander in Udhampur.


After the Kargil intrusions of 1999, which an enquiry blamed on “intelligence failure”, not a single general lost his job or was replaced. The army pinned the entire blame on a single brigadier in Kargil.


A retired defence intelligence chief, speaking anonymously, blames the current situation on an intelligence, as well as an operational failure. “The Chinese have always been ultra-sensitive to India expanding its presence in northern Ladakh. That is because this adjoins the Aksai Chin, through which China has constructed its strategic Western Highway that connects Tibet with Xinjiang. When we built the 255-kilometre DBDSO Road through this area, why did the army not deploy troops on the eastern side of the Shyok, especially in the Galwan Valley, to protect the eastern approaches from the Chinese side?” he says.


The officer cites the Chinese intrusion in 2013 into Depsang, in the Daulat Beg Oldi sector, soon after India activated a landing ground there and beefed up troop numbers.


Within the army, there is growing concern that New Delhi will allow the Chinese to retain the territory they have occupied in the last month. In public statements last week, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has already conceded that the alignment of the LAC, and therefore the ownership of territory, is unclear in this area.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

People are trying to link this to current covid19 situation and so called China under pressure because of it and all other garbage.

This is the direct consequence of Indian threats over gilgit baltistan region of Pakistan and its seems Indian establishment was planning to use this base for any misadventure against Pakistan.

 

[maverick1977]

Also found it relevant......IHK.






Echoes of Kargil: China intrusion can lead to India losing DBO link


By Ajai Shukla

Business Standard, 1st June 20


In what the army is recognizing as a repeat of Pakistan’s 1999 Kargil intrusions, but this time by China in eastern Ladakh, troops of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) continue consolidating their defences in the Galwan River and Pangong Lake areas, up to three kilometres (km) inside territory that the Indian Army has patrolled and claimed for decades.


Just as the Kargil intrusions allowed Pakistani troops to dominate the Srinagar-Zojila-Kargil-Leh highway and threatened to cut off Ladakh from the north; the Chinese intrusion into the Galwan River valley allows PLA troops to overlook the strategic Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldi (DSDBO) highway and cut off the army’s lone year-round connection with its isolated “Sub-Sector North” (SSN), at the base of the Karakoram Pass.


PLA soldiers that have established themselves at the mouth of the Galwan River valley at its confluence with the Shyok River are just one-and-a-half kilometres from the DSDBO road. They overlook the road, which winds along the Shyok River valley, and can bring down artillery and missile fire to prevent its use.


The PLA apparently intends to dominate this road permanently. Even as top Chinese officials declare the issue can be resolved through dialogue, PLA intruders are building bunkers while PLA engineers are connecting their forward troops with China’s formidable road infrastructure on the Line of Actual Control (LAC).


Government sources conservatively estimate that the PLA has captured more than 60 square kilometres of Indian-patrolled territory in the last month – equally divided between the northern bank of the Pangong Lake and the Galwan River sectors.


Chinese troops now block access to several Indian “Patrolling Points” (PPs) along the LAC, which Indian army patrols have regularly visited for decades to assert their claim over the area. Amongst them are PP-14, 16, 18 and 19.


At this time of the year, when the risk of Chinese intrusions is highest, it has been customary for the army’s Udhampur-based Northern Command to move reserve formations into the area, ostensibly for “training exercises”. But this year, reserve troops were retained in their peacetime locations because of the Covid-19 pandemic.


Consequently, there has been a dire shortage of reserve troops to react to the PLA’s multiple intrusions. By the time the northern army was able to move reserves into the area, the PLA had already consolidated its hold over its newly acquired positions.


Army headquarters in New Delhi is coming round to the view that top generals in Ladakh have been caught napping. There is growing talk about replacing the corps commander in Leh, and even the northern army commander in Udhampur.


After the Kargil intrusions of 1999, which an enquiry blamed on “intelligence failure”, not a single general lost his job or was replaced. The army pinned the entire blame on a single brigadier in Kargil.


A retired defence intelligence chief, speaking anonymously, blames the current situation on an intelligence, as well as an operational failure. “The Chinese have always been ultra-sensitive to India expanding its presence in northern Ladakh. That is because this adjoins the Aksai Chin, through which China has constructed its strategic Western Highway that connects Tibet with Xinjiang. When we built the 255-kilometre DBDSO Road through this area, why did the army not deploy troops on the eastern side of the Shyok, especially in the Galwan Valley, to protect the eastern approaches from the Chinese side?” he says.


The officer cites the Chinese intrusion in 2013 into Depsang, in the Daulat Beg Oldi sector, soon after India activated a landing ground there and beefed up troop numbers.


Within the army, there is growing concern that New Delhi will allow the Chinese to retain the territory they have occupied in the last month. In public statements last week, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has already conceded that the alignment of the LAC, and therefore the ownership of territory, is unclear in this area.

what do indian army abandon their position and invite trouble... its a disputed territory, you vacate the other person will take it.. now use force because of your foolishness.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Galwan valley is done and dusted affair as far as China is concerned. Chinese will only discuss Pangang Tso lake and hot springs areas with India on June 6th meeting. Now confirmed by Indian analyst.

From 9:00

@silent_poison , your boys are stuffed. Attacking Azad Kashmir and GB to disrupt CPEC, the dream of Indian establishment just suffered premature ejaculation. Galwan was never disputed area! . Enjoy!

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

It's like not inducing the Chinese for the staffs they don't intend to do...

I am pretty sure the Indians wouldn't bother or mind losing IOK, for they also know it's not theirs at the first place. Then, why to lose so much for a losing case?!?!

 

[Taimoor Khan]

It's like not inducing the Chinese for the staffs they don't intend to do...

I am pretty sure the Indians wouldn't bother or mind losing IOK, for they also know it's not theirs at the first place. Then, why to lose so much for a losing case?!?!

Indian establishment work on the guidelines set by their great master "Chanakya" (who btw was ancient Pakistani from city of taxilla), who said, make friends with the neighbour of your neighbour at the expense of your neighbour. He must be twisting in grave, at the stupidity of his followers, who befriended with a super power , oceans apart, at the expense of immediate super power. Golden rule of chanakya was not followed in its letter and spirit. Complete disaster.

 

[vi-va]

From article:

https://theprint.in/opinion/indias-fingers-have-come-under-chinese-boots-denial-wont-help-us/435145/

Galwan sector

Image 2 | Annotated Google Map showing the situation in Galwan River
In Galwan sector, the PLA has secured the heights north and south of the Galwan river with. The PLA seems to have come across the LAC for 2-3 km in the valley and then climbed up the heights. It is also possible that it climbed the heights from China’s side of the valley and then moved along the heights westwards up to 3-4 km. What matters in mountains/ high-altitude is the control of the heights. The valleys become untenable when surrounding heights are with the enemy.

It is likely that the PLA has secured the heights with two battalions with one held as reserve at the LAC.

For the apologists of the “differing perceptions” who have theories to deny loss of territory, it is pertinent to point out that there are no differing perceptions about the LAC along the Galwan River. The intrusion here is deliberate to threaten the Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldie (DS-DBO) Road and prevent us from defending it by securing the Galwan valley and the heights north and south of the river.




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This area is right bang in the middle of stretch of the road that India has build last year to supply its Daulat beg oldie station right up north. PLA now at will can cut off this very important Indian army station for which they build this 225 Km road.

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Important areas in this region.


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Well known Indian politician, Sashi Tharoor expressing same fears about Daulat beg oldie station of IA at mercy of PLA. From 1:40. Went on to make fun of Modi from 2:20 when he reminded Modi of his boosting to show China his "red eyes" when come into the power.

This ideal situation was because of Chairman Mao in 1962. India was/is too greedy to grab the land they can not defend. China on the other hand, hold a position to defend and attack.

Daulat beg oldie station is a place undefended. India can not protect their own claim, it will create diplomatic and domestic political dilemma for BJP.