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Indian planners assess the Chinese have stepped up their forces by at least 30 per cent since June 15, along the Ladakh frontier.

A day after a 11-hour border meeting between senior military commanders of India and China, Beijing has welcomed an agreement to “cool down the situation”.



It said it would continue holding talks “for peace and tranquillity” along the Line of Actual Control (LAC).



Describing the meeting, China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) spokesperson said: “This meeting showed that the two sides wish to control and alleviate the situation through dialogue and consultation.”



Beijing flatly rejected the contention of Union Minister General V K Singh (retired) that more than 40 Chinese soldiers had been killed in the Ladakh face-off. “I can tell you for sure this is fake news,” said the MFA spokesperson.



Accompanying Beijing’s talk of “dialogue and consultation”, however, is a massive Chinese troop build-up along the border in Ladakh.



Since the June 15 clash, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has inducted large numbers of troops, armoured vehicles, and artillery along the LAC – from Depsang and Galwan in northern Ladakh to Hot Springs, Pangong Tso, and Chushul in central Ladakh, to Demchok and Chumar in southern Ladakh, said a well-informed government source.




ALSO READ: Army chief General M M Naravane visits Ladakh, takes stock of situation



Indian planners assess the Chinese have stepped up their forces by at least 30 per cent since June 15, along the Ladakh frontier.



In northern Ladakh, the PLA has activated the Depsang Area, north of Galwan, where both sides had faced off earlier in 2013.
Indian patrols have traditionally patrolled here up to Patrolling Point (PP) 10, 11, 12, and 13. Now they are being stopped by the Chinese, who have built tracks bypassing these PPs and extending 15-17 kilometres (km) into Indian-claimed territory.



This includes advancing deeper into Indian territory at Jeevan Nullah (PP13) and ongoing attempts to cross the so-called bottleneck area on Raki Nullah (PP12).



In the Galwan Valley, the Chinese have established a camp about 1 km inside the Indian side (west) of the LAC near PP14, where the June 15 clash occurred.




ALSO READ: China terms reports of 40 PLA troops killed in Galwan clash as 'fake news'



The Indian Army currently has no camps or posts in the Galwan River valley, with both sides having agreed to demilitarise the valley. Controversially, India has agreed to a 5-7-km deep “no-man’s land” on the Indian side of the LAC.



While Indian troops are patrolling close to PP14, Chinese patrols are visiting the heights along the Galwan River, especially those closer to the LAC.



Meanwhile, at PP15, which is 25 km south of PP14, the Chinese have entered about 2 km inside the Indian side of the LAC and have constructed two tracks on Indian-claimed territory, say sources.



While there is no Chinese ingress at PP16, the confrontation continues in the Hot Springs sector, which includes PP17 (called the Gogra Heights), PP18, and PP19 (called Kongka La).




ALSO READ: Galwan Valley clash: Russia rules out mediating between India and China



Further south, the Chinese are strengthening their defensive positions on the north bank of the Pangong Tso, having ingressed 8 km from Finger 8 to Finger 4.



Indian planners, therefore, face the worrisome prospect of a dual threat to northern Ladakh. The Chinese move towards the Galwan-Shyok river junction is a pressure point for the Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldi road, while the PLA’s advance into the Depsang Plain at the Jeevan Nullah and Raki Nullah could choke India’s access to Karakoram Pass at two more points.

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This is classic Chinese tactics. Talk softly and pretend to appear weaker when you are strong.

its funny. Chinese have no deception whatsoever, but people simply don't take us seriously. We won't bother explaining things twice, but will say it once, clearly. Then when things happen the way we say it will, they accuse us of deception, lol.

In 1950, Zhou Enlai relayed to US that if US forces conquered North Korea, China will be forced to intervene. MacArthur did not take this seriously and said some shit like "home before Christmas" "if Chinese intervene it'll be the greatest slaughter". China intervened. MacArthur accused Mao of deception.

In 1962, People's Daily published a warning to India. India did not take it seriously. The rest is history. Today Indians accuse us of sneak attack.

Do not fucking take us lightly.

This is for the good of others, not for Chinese.
 
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Lol.
Source is Ajai Shukla whose wife is senior leader of Congress:

How is his political affiliation relevant to national security issue ?
So you can only be truthful and loyal to the country if you are from BJP/RSS ?

Ajai was an ex-colonel but it is sad that people doubt this loyal.

its funny. Chinese have no deception whatsoever, but people simply don't take us seriously. We won't bother explaining things twice, but will say it once, clearly. Then when things happen the way we say it will, they accuse us of deception, lol.

In 1950, Zhou Enlai relayed to US that if US forces conquered North Korea, China will be forced to intervene. MacArthur did not take this seriously and said some shit like "home before Christmas" "if Chinese intervene it'll be the greatest slaughter". China intervened. MacArthur accused Mao of deception.

In 1962, People's Daily published a warning to India. India did not take it seriously. The rest is history. Today Indians accuse us of sneak attack.

Do not fucking take us lightly.

This is for the good of others, not for Chinese.

First of all , gotta praise Moa. He was the reason NK was able to push back UN forces back to 38th parallel. Mcarthur was so frustrated that he wanted to use nukes. Lol

I agree that people under-estimate China and Chinese people. Well , those guys are in for a rude-awakening.

Btw, I was alluding to Sun Tzu's philosophy that states " Appear weak when you are strong and strong when you are weak."
 
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How is his political affiliation relevant to national security issue ?
So you can only be truthful and loyal to the country if you are from BJP/RSS ?

Ajai was an ex-colonel but it is sad that people doubt this loyal.



First of all , gotta praise Moa. He was the reason NK was able to push back UN forces back to 38th parallel. Mcarthur was so frustrated that he wanted to use nukes. Lol

I agree that people under-estimate China and Chinese people. Well , those guys are in for a rude-awakening.

Btw, I was alluding to Sun Tzu's philosophy that states " Appear weak when you are strong and strong when you are weak."

the thing is we don't need to appear weak. people already think we're weak. Just look at the Vietnamese members here, going by their bluster you'd think they were overlords of the galaxy by now.
 
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First of all , gotta praise Moa. He was the reason NK was able to push back UN forces back to 38th parallel. Mcarthur was so frustrated that he wanted to use nukes. Lol

I agree that people under-estimate China and Chinese people. Well , those guys are in for a rude-awakening.

Btw, I was alluding to Sun Tzu's philosophy that states " Appear weak when you are strong and strong when you are weak."

You're right, appear weak when you are strong and strong when you are weak. Mcarthur fell for it, he underestimated Chinese strength. US/UN forces were shocked when massive Chinese troops suddenly appeared at Yalu river, vastly more than they anticipated.

Ultimately, all warfare is based on deception.
 
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Indian planners assess the Chinese have stepped up their forces by at least 30 per cent since June 15, along the Ladakh frontier.

A day after a 11-hour border meeting between senior military commanders of India and China, Beijing has welcomed an agreement to “cool down the situation”.



It said it would continue holding talks “for peace and tranquillity” along the Line of Actual Control (LAC).



Describing the meeting, China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) spokesperson said: “This meeting showed that the two sides wish to control and alleviate the situation through dialogue and consultation.”



Beijing flatly rejected the contention of Union Minister General V K Singh (retired) that more than 40 Chinese soldiers had been killed in the Ladakh face-off. “I can tell you for sure this is fake news,” said the MFA spokesperson.



Accompanying Beijing’s talk of “dialogue and consultation”, however, is a massive Chinese troop build-up along the border in Ladakh.



Since the June 15 clash, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has inducted large numbers of troops, armoured vehicles, and artillery along the LAC – from Depsang and Galwan in northern Ladakh to Hot Springs, Pangong Tso, and Chushul in central Ladakh, to Demchok and Chumar in southern Ladakh, said a well-informed government source.




ALSO READ: Army chief General M M Naravane visits Ladakh, takes stock of situation



Indian planners assess the Chinese have stepped up their forces by at least 30 per cent since June 15, along the Ladakh frontier.



In northern Ladakh, the PLA has activated the Depsang Area, north of Galwan, where both sides had faced off earlier in 2013.
Indian patrols have traditionally patrolled here up to Patrolling Point (PP) 10, 11, 12, and 13. Now they are being stopped by the Chinese, who have built tracks bypassing these PPs and extending 15-17 kilometres (km) into Indian-claimed territory.



This includes advancing deeper into Indian territory at Jeevan Nullah (PP13) and ongoing attempts to cross the so-called bottleneck area on Raki Nullah (PP12).



In the Galwan Valley, the Chinese have established a camp about 1 km inside the Indian side (west) of the LAC near PP14, where the June 15 clash occurred.




ALSO READ: China terms reports of 40 PLA troops killed in Galwan clash as 'fake news'



The Indian Army currently has no camps or posts in the Galwan River valley, with both sides having agreed to demilitarise the valley. Controversially, India has agreed to a 5-7-km deep “no-man’s land” on the Indian side of the LAC.



While Indian troops are patrolling close to PP14, Chinese patrols are visiting the heights along the Galwan River, especially those closer to the LAC.



Meanwhile, at PP15, which is 25 km south of PP14, the Chinese have entered about 2 km inside the Indian side of the LAC and have constructed two tracks on Indian-claimed territory, say sources.



While there is no Chinese ingress at PP16, the confrontation continues in the Hot Springs sector, which includes PP17 (called the Gogra Heights), PP18, and PP19 (called Kongka La).




ALSO READ: Galwan Valley clash: Russia rules out mediating between India and China



Further south, the Chinese are strengthening their defensive positions on the north bank of the Pangong Tso, having ingressed 8 km from Finger 8 to Finger 4.



Indian planners, therefore, face the worrisome prospect of a dual threat to northern Ladakh. The Chinese move towards the Galwan-Shyok river junction is a pressure point for the Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldi road, while the PLA’s advance into the Depsang Plain at the Jeevan Nullah and Raki Nullah could choke India’s access to Karakoram Pass at two more points.

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That's the Chinese way shake hand with one hand and slap hard with another.
We indians and pakistanis are emotional and sentimental people on the contrary. Either we are too angry and ready to cut each other's throats or too soft ready to hug each other and ready for a complete peace dialogue. That's the reason on global stage we suck at diplomacy.
 
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That's the Chinese way shake hand with one hand and slap hard with another.
We indians and pakistanis are emotional and sentimental people on the contrary. Either we are too angry and ready to cut each other's throats or too soft ready to hug each other and ready for a complete peace dialogue. That's the reason on global stage we suck at diplomacy.
I have to agree with you on this. But I didn't expect Pakistanis to be mentioned in the same sentence with India.
 
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