Future of EU natural gas supply (Russia disappears as supplier in 2028)

[BHAN85]

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World Energy Outlook 2022 - Analysis and key findings. A report by the International Energy Agency.

www.iea.org

 

[aziqbal]

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Rubbish

if it was true why is Russia still making billions

https://x.com/pati_marins64/status/1699602188241096828?s=46&t=y0OFodoGxInwRRrH23SIWA

 

[BHAN85]

Rubbish

if it was true why is Russia still making billions

https://x.com/pati_marins64/status/1699602188241096828?s=46&t=y0OFodoGxInwRRrH23SIWA

They are just changing customers.

And we're in 2023, it's not 2028 yet.

 

[aziqbal]

They are just changing customers.

And we're in 2023, it's not 2028 yet.

in 5 years Russia will be more powerful than EU combined if it already isn't

 

[aziqbal]

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IF Russia is making billions exporting energy, its not from the EU importing its natural gas. The russian economy is now fluctuating with the price of oil. Not exactly a stable situation.

no this is just a graph anyone can post stuff like his

Russia is exporting crude oil to India and India is refining it and selling it to the EU

Fuels from Russian oil gets backdoor entry into Europe via India

Record high imports of crude oil from Russia in fiscal 2022-23 helped India's refiners boost exports of diesel and jet fuel to Europe as the continent shunned Russian products, preliminary ship-tracking data from Kpler and Vortexa showed.

www.reuters.com

 

[aziqbal]

How is that compensating its lost revenue on pipeline gas to the EU?

eh well since EU is buying Russian oil

 

[BHAN85]

in 5 years Russia will be more powerful than EU combined if it already isn't

Russia is irrelevant.

All this is about China as new empire and USA afraid of it, letting down old European vassals to favor new China.

USA is the good cop towards EU.
China is the bad cop towards EU.

USA is the bad cop towards Russia.
China is good cop towards Russia.

But here the important actors are USA and China.

EU is just a bunch of corrupts easy-to-deceive idi*ts.
And Russia has no more margin than rely in China to avoid complete isolation.

 

[FuturePAF]

Considering India and the Saudis get around sanctions by importing Russian oil/gas and selling them on as their domestic product (either as crude or as a refined petrochemical), any indication China would do more of the same? They could buy Russian hydrocarbons at a contracted discount below market levels and sell them on globally, in ever greater amounts, and pocketing the difference for the hassle.

The same could be down with any other Russian export commodities or products, that get soft or hard sanctions imposed upon them.

 

[MeFishToo]

Considering India and the Saudis get around sanctions by importing Russian oil/gas and selling them on as their domestic product (either as crude or as a refined petrochemical), any indication China would do more of the same? They could buy Russian hydrocarbons at a contracted discount below market levels and sell them on globally, in ever greater amounts, and pocketing the difference for the hassle.

The same could be down with any other Russian export commodities or products, that get soft or hard sanctions imposed upon them.

It could, but it is no good deal for Russia. Besides the EU controls most of the shipping through ownership or insurrance. Its not as easy as its seems for Russia to circumvent bans and price caps.

Tracking the impacts of EU’s oil ban and oil price cap

 

[FuturePAF]

It could, but it is no good deal for Russia.

Tracking the impacts of EU’s oil ban and oil price cap

Does Russia have a choice, especially if it’s the only way to sell to the Europeans.

Considering the location of Russia’s oil producing regions and the climate there, if Russia doesn’t keep the oil flowing that infrastructure could become inoperable if the pipelines freeze over.

 

[aziqbal]

Russia is irrelevant.

All this is about China as new empire and USA afraid of it, letting down old European vassals to favor new China.

USA is the good cop towards EU.
China is the bad cop towards EU.

USA is the bad cop towards Russia.
China is good cop towards Russia.

But here the important actors are USA and China.

EU is just a bunch of corrupts easy-to-deceive idi*ts.
And Russia has no more margin than rely in China to avoid complete isolation.

Russia is irrelevant ?

its kicking the combined back side of the West I guess its called getting owned

 

[Paji]

Rubbish

if it was true why is Russia still making billions

https://x.com/pati_marins64/status/1699602188241096828?s=46&t=y0OFodoGxInwRRrH23SIWA

Russia spent billions in the gas pipeline infrastructure. Their piped gas exports have fallen sharply and will never recover. They may liquify the gas and export it but that will require additional investments and margins are lower.

 

[BHAN85]

Russia is irrelevant ?

its kicking the combined back side of the West I guess its called getting owned

If you compare to China and USA.

You have to understand China and USA interests to understand what is happening.

EU are just corrupts shortterm idiots
And Russia is isolated economically and with China as only big economy friend.

 

[aziqbal]

If you compare to China and USA.

You have to understand China and USA interests to understand what is happening.

EU are just corrupts shortterm idiots
And Russia is isolated economically and with China as only big economy friend.

your getting beat stay quite

I dont know why Europeans hate each other so much