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Brahma Chellaney
highlights China’s growing rift with North Korea, which follows the loss of its once-tight grip on Myanmar.

- Project Syndicate



Hong Kong – At a time when China’s territorial assertiveness has strained its ties with many countries in the region, and its once-tight hold on Myanmar has weakened, its deteriorating relationship with North Korea, once its vassal, renders it a power with no real allies. The question now is whether the United States and other powers can use this development to create a diplomatic opening to North Korea that could help transform northeast Asia’s fraught geopolitics.
China’s ties with Myanmar began to deteriorate in late 2011, when Myanmar decided to suspend work on its largest and most controversial Chinese-aided project: the $3.6 billion Myitsone Dam, located at the headwaters of the Irrawaddy River. The decision shocked China, which had been treating Myanmar as a client state – one where it retains significant interests, despite today’s rift.
The bold decision to halt the dam project may have hurt Myanmar’s relationship with China, but it was a positive step for its relations with the rest of the world. Indeed, a major political shift followed, bringing about the easing of longstanding Western sanctions and ending decades of international isolation.
By distancing himself from China, North Korea’s young dictator, Kim Jong-un, could well be signaling a desire to move in a similar direction. Of course, if he is seeking a thaw in relations with the US, he has a long way to go. His welcoming of former American basketball star Dennis Rodman has generated only controversy in the US, and his apparent execution by machine-gun of a former girlfriend (as reported by a South Korean paper, citing unnamed sources in China) is no way to endear oneself to the American heartland.
For most observers, the episode that triggered the deterioration in China’s relationship with North Korea – the execution of Kim’s uncle by marriage, Jang Song-thaek – simply reflected North Korea’s erratic and obscure politics. For China, however, it was personal. The treason charges leveled against Jang – China’s most valued friend in North Korea’s regime – included underselling resources like coal, land, and precious metals to China.
But China’s carefully nurtured “blood relations” with North Korea have been souring almost since Kim succeeded his father, Kim Jong-il, in late 2011. In an early show of defiance, North Korea seized three Chinese fishing boats, detained a reported 29 people on board for 13 days (during which they were allegedly abused), and then demanded $190,000 in compensation for illegal fishing in North Korean waters. Kim went on to rile China further by carrying out his country’s third nuclear test.
Unsurprisingly, China’s state-run media have responded to Kim’s attempts to chart an independent course by accusing him of pursuing the “de-Sinification” of the hermit kingdom. But, beyond an anti-Kim propaganda campaign, China’s options are limited, not least because it has a strong interest in retaining access to North Korea’s vast reserves of iron ore, magnesite, copper, and other minerals – just as it retains access to Myanmar’s massive and undeveloped reserves.
More important, any Chinese attempt to squeeze North Korea, including by cutting off energy and food supplies, would risk triggering a mass influx of refugees. Worse, from China’s perspective, it could bring about the collapse of the Kim family’s rule, which could unravel the North Korean state and lead to a reunified and resurgent Korea allied with the US. The prospect of US troops on its border is a nightmare scenario for China.
Moreover, a reunified Korea would inherit ongoing territorial and resource disputes with China (concerning, for example, Chonji, the crater lake on Mount Paektu, and islands in the Yalu and Tumen rivers). China would likely accept reunification only if it led to a “Finlandized” Korea that offers permanent strategic concessions to the superpower next door.
Like North Korea today, Myanmar was, until recently, an isolated, militaristic country suffering under prolonged and escalating international sanctions. In fact, reflecting its growing frustration with Kim, China co-sponsored the most recent round of United Nations sanctions against North Korea last year.
But, whereas Myanmar is a diverse society that has long been ravaged by internal conflicts pitting ethnic-Burmese governing elites against many of the country’s minority groups, North Korea is a homogenous, regimented, and nuclear-armed society. In other words, North Korea is a far more potent threat to the rest of the world.
Still, the China-North Korea rift marks a potential turning point in northeast Asian geopolitics. If the US is to seize the diplomatic opening, it must shed its reliance on the Chinese to serve as its intermediary with North Korea – a sore point with the Kim regime, given its desire to reduce its dependence on China.
Unlike the US opening with Myanmar, which led to US President Barack Obama’s historic visit in 2012, any American engagement with North Korea would have to be based on reaching a denuclearization agreement. The question is whether Obama – who is weighed down not only by domestic woes, but also by efforts to reach an agreement on Syria and an interim nuclear deal with Iran – has the political room or personal inclination to enter into risky negotiations with North Korea.

Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/brahma-chellaney-highlights-china-s-growing-rift-with-north-korea--which-follows-the-loss-of-its-once-tight-grip-on-myanmar#g3uvDVf4isK288cy.99
 
Why does China need vessel states? Myanmar could and in fact should do business with multiple partners. Americans didn't go crazy when EU and China became biggest trade partners. Why should we be crazy for Myanmar?

As to North Korea, it's more of a card for China to play. South Koreans and China are friends more or less. There's tension sometimes, but our relationship remains good. North Korean's most likely attacker isn't the South or America. It's actually more likely China. Especially, since we can and will use the land as a bargaining chip for American withdraw, which the South Koreans would support as has been demonstrated by a number of incidents and events in the past.

Most don't see this, but America is actually the one that doesn't want the North to end. Americans care little for NK for they are 50 years behind in missile tech that could actually hurt the states, with American's powerful MD. They are not getting richer so it's next to impossible for them to get it.

The Americans want the South to be a base against China, but if the North doesn't exist, so too will an need for the Americans to be there. The South has no bad blood with China, for thousands of years we been good allies. So the evacuation of American presence on East Asia mainland will end.


The Japanese changing of the constitution may also be bad for America. For if they do revert to a normal state, then Japanese people will question American presence in Japan, for it is a matter of Prestige. The American doesn't want this either.

If they lose Japan and Korea, effective control of the China seas will be over and the island chains will be instantly broken.
 
Why does China need vessel states? Myanmar could and in fact should do business with multiple partners. Americans didn't go crazy when EU and China became biggest trade partners. Why should we be crazy for Myanmar?

As to North Korea, it's more of a card for China to play. South Koreans and China are friends more or less. There's tension sometimes, but our relationship remains good. North Korean's most likely attacker isn't the South or America. It's actually more likely China. Especially, since we can and will use the land as a bargaining chip for American withdraw, which the South Koreans would support as has been demonstrated by a number of incidents and events in the past.

Most don't see this, but America is actually the one that doesn't want the North to end. Americans care little for NK for they are 50 years behind in missile tech that could actually hurt the states, with American's powerful MD. They are not getting richer so it's next to impossible for them to get it.

The Americans want the South to be a base against China, but if the North doesn't exist, so too will an need for the Americans to be there. The South has no bad blood with China, for thousands of years we been good allies. So the evacuation of American presence on East Asia mainland will end.


The Japanese changing of the constitution may also be bad for America. For if they do revert to a normal state, then Japanese people will question American presence in Japan, for it is a matter of Prestige. The American doesn't want this either.

If they lose Japan and Korea, effective control of the China seas will be over and the island chains will be instantly broken.

All your verbal manipulations aside..Burma and NK are indeed China's vassal states. That is why China supports insurgency groups like Wa to keep Burma in check. That is why when Kim executess pro China generals in NK on treason, China gets flustered. Both of China's will remain in limbo and out of global touch because thats what China wants.

Your example of Europe was funny.
 
Brahma Challeney? I am out of this thread.
 
It's rather NK who lost friendship with China because they close their market

JEW USA installed NK with their mad partition plan

But i agree that China must grow some balls if they want to have friends. It's not by obeying JEW USA and stop trafficking with for example Iran that they will have friends

The double faced game of China won't drive them anywhere

They are a little friend of JEW USA, a little bit friend with Iran, what does that mean?
 
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China also think that they can rivalize with JEW NATO without paying the price: installing military bases in Africa

We see how China was swept out from Libya, Mali, CAR by JEW NATO pretending freedom or false flag humanitarian intervention
 
Why does China need vessel states? Myanmar could and in fact should do business with multiple partners. Americans didn't go crazy when EU and China became biggest trade partners. Why should we be crazy for Myanmar?

As to North Korea, it's more of a card for China to play. South Koreans and China are friends more or less. There's tension sometimes, but our relationship remains good. North Korean's most likely attacker isn't the South or America. It's actually more likely China. Especially, since we can and will use the land as a bargaining chip for American withdraw, which the South Koreans would support as has been demonstrated by a number of incidents and events in the past.

Most don't see this, but America is actually the one that doesn't want the North to end. Americans care little for NK for they are 50 years behind in missile tech that could actually hurt the states, with American's powerful MD. They are not getting richer so it's next to impossible for them to get it.

The Americans want the South to be a base against China, but if the North doesn't exist, so too will an need for the Americans to be there. The South has no bad blood with China, for thousands of years we been good allies. So the evacuation of American presence on East Asia mainland will end.


The Japanese changing of the constitution may also be bad for America. For if they do revert to a normal state, then Japanese people will question American presence in Japan, for it is a matter of Prestige. The American doesn't want this either.

If they lose Japan and Korea, effective control of the China seas will be over and the island chains will be instantly broken.


I agree with your analysis . I feel US has lot at stake to keep North Korea burning ....

I do not think however that Japan will change constitution and turn anti US ...
 
I have so many good Chinese friends. So I feel like laughing when I see these kind of articles. Lol!! :D
 
friendless??? :rofl:

I suppose you call the current india's currently "being used/taken advantage of" by foreign powers as your so-called friendship.

China has no intention to downgrade herself into the stage of india's current idiotic "being used/taken advantage of" by foreign powers.

Brahma Chellaney
highlights China’s growing rift with North Korea, which follows the loss of its once-tight grip on Myanmar.

- Project Syndicate



Hong Kong – At a time when China’s territorial assertiveness has strained its ties with many countries in the region, and its once-tight hold on Myanmar has weakened, its deteriorating relationship with North Korea, once its vassal, renders it a power with no real allies. The question now is whether the United States and other powers can use this development to create a diplomatic opening to North Korea that could help transform northeast Asia’s fraught geopolitics.
China’s ties with Myanmar began to deteriorate in late 2011, when Myanmar decided to suspend work on its largest and most controversial Chinese-aided project: the $3.6 billion Myitsone Dam, located at the headwaters of the Irrawaddy River. The decision shocked China, which had been treating Myanmar as a client state – one where it retains significant interests, despite today’s rift.
The bold decision to halt the dam project may have hurt Myanmar’s relationship with China, but it was a positive step for its relations with the rest of the world. Indeed, a major political shift followed, bringing about the easing of longstanding Western sanctions and ending decades of international isolation.
By distancing himself from China, North Korea’s young dictator, Kim Jong-un, could well be signaling a desire to move in a similar direction. Of course, if he is seeking a thaw in relations with the US, he has a long way to go. His welcoming of former American basketball star Dennis Rodman has generated only controversy in the US, and his apparent execution by machine-gun of a former girlfriend (as reported by a South Korean paper, citing unnamed sources in China) is no way to endear oneself to the American heartland.
For most observers, the episode that triggered the deterioration in China’s relationship with North Korea – the execution of Kim’s uncle by marriage, Jang Song-thaek – simply reflected North Korea’s erratic and obscure politics. For China, however, it was personal. The treason charges leveled against Jang – China’s most valued friend in North Korea’s regime – included underselling resources like coal, land, and precious metals to China.
But China’s carefully nurtured “blood relations” with North Korea have been souring almost since Kim succeeded his father, Kim Jong-il, in late 2011. In an early show of defiance, North Korea seized three Chinese fishing boats, detained a reported 29 people on board for 13 days (during which they were allegedly abused), and then demanded $190,000 in compensation for illegal fishing in North Korean waters. Kim went on to rile China further by carrying out his country’s third nuclear test.
Unsurprisingly, China’s state-run media have responded to Kim’s attempts to chart an independent course by accusing him of pursuing the “de-Sinification” of the hermit kingdom. But, beyond an anti-Kim propaganda campaign, China’s options are limited, not least because it has a strong interest in retaining access to North Korea’s vast reserves of iron ore, magnesite, copper, and other minerals – just as it retains access to Myanmar’s massive and undeveloped reserves.
More important, any Chinese attempt to squeeze North Korea, including by cutting off energy and food supplies, would risk triggering a mass influx of refugees. Worse, from China’s perspective, it could bring about the collapse of the Kim family’s rule, which could unravel the North Korean state and lead to a reunified and resurgent Korea allied with the US. The prospect of US troops on its border is a nightmare scenario for China.
Moreover, a reunified Korea would inherit ongoing territorial and resource disputes with China (concerning, for example, Chonji, the crater lake on Mount Paektu, and islands in the Yalu and Tumen rivers). China would likely accept reunification only if it led to a “Finlandized” Korea that offers permanent strategic concessions to the superpower next door.
Like North Korea today, Myanmar was, until recently, an isolated, militaristic country suffering under prolonged and escalating international sanctions. In fact, reflecting its growing frustration with Kim, China co-sponsored the most recent round of United Nations sanctions against North Korea last year.
But, whereas Myanmar is a diverse society that has long been ravaged by internal conflicts pitting ethnic-Burmese governing elites against many of the country’s minority groups, North Korea is a homogenous, regimented, and nuclear-armed society. In other words, North Korea is a far more potent threat to the rest of the world.
Still, the China-North Korea rift marks a potential turning point in northeast Asian geopolitics. If the US is to seize the diplomatic opening, it must shed its reliance on the Chinese to serve as its intermediary with North Korea – a sore point with the Kim regime, given its desire to reduce its dependence on China.
Unlike the US opening with Myanmar, which led to US President Barack Obama’s historic visit in 2012, any American engagement with North Korea would have to be based on reaching a denuclearization agreement. The question is whether Obama – who is weighed down not only by domestic woes, but also by efforts to reach an agreement on Syria and an interim nuclear deal with Iran – has the political room or personal inclination to enter into risky negotiations with North Korea.

Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/brahma-chellaney-highlights-china-s-growing-rift-with-north-korea--which-follows-the-loss-of-its-once-tight-grip-on-myanmar#g3uvDVf4isK288cy.99
 
When USA make the War over the world, then make the advising all China is dangerous over the word, next all the world trusted, then all the world said China has less friends.... what kinds of this situation?? it is funny?? our Chinese people only want to change the life, we want to get more money, such as the war ?? let it go to hell, we cannot forget the war 2, Chinese life is also expensive, of course Chinese do not forget Japan, this is true, but only to Japan, this is also the truth. I will not avoid this problem unless Japan admit the history.

To other countries, we always smile to them, if you come to China, you will find it.

Base on this situation, if world still think China is dangerous, we have to say, OK, we will face it.
 
Friendless? From the content of the article, it is more like client-stateless with word like tight-grip and the like.
It is their own colonist/imperialist mentality that make them take that colored lens in viewing China foreign relation towards smaller neighbor.
 
his apparent execution by machine-gun of a former girlfriend (as reported by a South Korean paper, citing unnamed sources in China) is no way to endear oneself to the American heartland.

Source: Friendless China
And this, the girlfriend that was supposed to be executed show up on NK television singing in an event. Should have know better then believing SK propaganda.

Chinese netizen in Chinese forum have a good laugh when Chinese media reported it, but I don't think the rest of the world would get a retraction and apology from the SK newspaper.
 

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