French JF-17 Deal Could Anger India

[SBD-3]

C'mon Guys........French are famour for two traits.....love for women and money.....but they are also famous for.....ofcourse not being loyal..........If they would see indian deals jeopedizing.....they will offer indians with the same things.......they keep it simple........win-win....... and sacks full of money

 

[notsuperstitious]

Guys....Sorry for my ignorance but

Has India issued anything yet in this regard? Or we all are just running here and there??

Atleast we should wait for India to speak something and then we may proceed...

Let them, whatever makes em happy

On topic, this is good news indeed, this would burst the myth of a super duper cheap aircraft.

 

[Mani2020]

i do not understand the reason for celebration or complaining when the deal for the suite package is 1b and the manufacturing cost is 500m odd the primary objective of the Jf to be a cost effective solution is being failed add to that future upgrades where does the figure stand its better then to look at j-10 which is far more capable aircraft

lol i can already smell the burning,its our aircraft and it belongs to PAF ,PAF may use french avionics or avionics of anyother country its upto them ,They know better than anyone else here...so if they have taken the decision it means they have found somethng attractive....
I wonder if PAF would be purchasing same avionics package from Russia at same price for jf-17 (jst supposition coz i know neither we will purchase from russia nor they will sell) would u still pass same argument?
No offense

 

[Dark Angel]

you forgot to add 100 trillion dollar death star joint venture project between France and India and India being the "leading partner" with "better super skhti" technology developed by DODO.

So Pakistan has bought F-16s from US does that means NO FA-18 F-16s for INDIA?
Pakistan is about to sign a 1.3 billion dollars upgrade deal with France so does that mean no Rafales for IAF?
Pakistan will eventually strike a final deal with is 95% done with Germans for Type-214 so does that means no EF for IAF
Pakistan has also bought Erieye from Sweden so does that mean no Gripen for IAF?
LOL according to your analogy India will eventually end up with russian new mig-29s because they will be upset with rest of the world for supplying weapons to a "terrorist" country like Pakistan.

The implications of a mere 1-2 $ billion deals are diffrent than 20$billion(mmrca+subs) with a country 5 times ur size

 

[Myth_buster_1]

i do not understand the reason for celebration or complaining when the deal for the suite package is 1b and the manufacturing cost is 500m odd the primary objective of the Jf to be a cost effective solution is being failed add to that future upgrades where does the figure stand its better then to look at j-10 which is far more capable aircraft

Then India has failed with their LCA project long long time before. Remeber LCA was supposed to be a light air craft and day by day its weight is being increased, so much fuss was being created by Indian officials that India all of sudden has struck alien technology which will cost them only 20 million dollars per LCA and will be better then Gripen and par with EF-2000. The engines radars and avionics that it wants for MK3 LCA will hike the price to 35-40 million dollars.
PAF requirements have changed due to IAF acquisition plans. first 50 JF-17 will be cost effective 15 million dollars and the next 100 will be with french technology. we have to exclude Chinese systems costs in order to integrate French systems which is about 13 million dollars. meaning the cost for JF-17 will be about 23 million dollars.
last 50 jf-17 as speculated to be a advance 4.5 generation version with semi stealth capability.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

The implications of a mere 1-2 $ billion deals are diffrent than 20$billion(mmrca+subs) with a country 5 times ur size

what 20 billion dollars? that 20 billion dollars belongs to no one at the moment. it may be a split between 2-3 countries and France wants to earn some heavy bucks.

 

[pakpower]

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[LCA Tejas]

Then India has failed with their LCA project long long time before.

First I would Love to make it clear that This LCA is designed and Developed By India without foreign assistance.. We have tried to develop our Engines and Radars for that matter... LCA has got LSP clearance and will be entering into production, waiting for operational clearance. Defense minister has sanctioned 8000 crores for that matter.

Remeber LCA was supposed to be a light air craft and day by day its weight is being increased, so much fuss was being created by Indian officials that India all of sudden has struck alien technology which will cost them only 20 million dollars per LCA and will be better then Gripen and par with EF-2000. The engines radars and avionics that it wants for MK3 LCA will hike the price to 35-40 million dollars.

LCA is still the lightest of all Fighter Aircrafts in the world. We developed Lightweight Engines but the power was less aswell, so we moved to Foreign engines which would Power it more. India Never told that Its better than Grippen, but it has all the features which grippen has... God bless we are able to make it cheap enough.

PAF requirements have changed due to IAF acquisition plans. first 50 JF-17 will be cost effective 15 million dollars and the next 100 will be with french technology. we have to exclude Chinese systems costs in order to integrate French systems which is about 13 million dollars. meaning the cost for JF-17 will be about 23 million dollars.
last 50 jf-17 as speculated to be a advance 4.5 generation version with semi stealth capability.

Well Requirements always change, not a big issue at all... May I know how the last 50 JF-17 will be 4.5 gen aircrafts? when the Chinese version still remains 4th gen..

 

[Mani2020]

First I would Love to make it clear that This LCA is designed and Developed By India without foreign assistance.. We have tried to develop our Engines and Radars for that matter... LCA has got LSP clearance and will be entering into production, waiting for operational clearance. Defense minister has sanctioned 8000 crores for that matter.

Oh come on why u wana make mess of anythng u guys always blame thatjf-17 is not Pakistani indigenous fighter but LCA is..
Ru gone nuts ? Dun forget LCA is a 20-30 years old project still no where of entering service n stop projecting dates for their entrance coz we are tired of these projected dates which are speculated for last 10 years or so

LCA

Engine from USA

Radar from Isreal

Avionics from Russia

Assistance from FRANCE


BUT still indeginous hahaha lol now again target jf-17 to remove ur frustration :

I hope LCA fate will not b lyk arjun or better i say arjunk
:

Grow up stop living in fantasies be brave to accept realities because if u guys will not accept realities n keep on praising DRDO for their junk instead of criticizng them the they will keep wasting your billion of dollars on these failures

 

[LCA Tejas]

Oh come on why u wana make mess of anythng u guys always blame thatjf-17 is not Pakistani indigenous fighter but LCA is..
Ru gone nuts ? Dun forget LCA is a 20-30 years old project still no where of entering service n stop projecting dates for their entrance coz we are tired of these projected dates which are speculated for last 10 years or so

LCA

Engine from USA

Radar from Isreal

Avionics from Russia

Assistance from FRANCE

BUT still indeginous hahaha lol now again target jf-17 to remove ur frustration

I never In my post said Jf-17 is not indeginous , You yourself are telling it out of frustration...

Radars from Israel,Engines from USA..... these stuffs are available to buy... Even Jf-17 runs on foreign engines and radars. Mind explaining in which dream did u see LCA tejas running on Russian Avionics and Assistance from France was sought ?

The only thing france is doing is its Correcting the faults in Our kaveri Engine....

 

[PLAextream]

dont regard china as third nations in fighter aircraft production even from those country who don't know how to make a fighter fly,so funny of you.
our great R&D people can configure any thing includeing defence hardware .
all the technological gains from our J10 will be extended to J17 that 'll keep it at par with their advisories hardware .

 

[LCA Tejas]

I hope LCA fate will not b lyk arjun or better i say arjunk
:

Grow up stop living in fantasies be brave to accept realities because if u guys will not accept realities n keep on praising DRDO for their junk instead of criticizng them the they will keep wasting your billion of dollars on these failures

Arjun is inducted and is ready to take on T-90 aswell, you are too frustrated to look into facts and Comfortable in your own fantasy..
We are blessed to Have A R&D department and You must be the one who must be worried, you neither have money to R&D nor do u have a quality department to undertake stuffs Like that....

Well Failures only come when you try it... Failures means Challenge. If we would have taken our steps back when many sounding rockets crashed in the late 60's, we wouldnt have Enjoyed the Pride of having an Organisation called ISRO today. ... DRDO is doing just fine, Its aspiring the Young generation and that is indeed a boon for our nation... No matter how many billions are spent when its gonna help us in the long run....

 

[PLAextream]

dont regard china as third nations in fighter aircraft production even from those country who don't know how to make a fighter fly,so funny of you.
our great R&D people can configure any thing includeing defence hardware .
all the technological gains from our J10 will be extended to J17 that 'll keep it at par with their advisories hardware .

 

[jagjitnatt]

dont regard china as third nations in fighter aircraft production even from those country who don't know how to make a fighter fly,so funny of you.
our great R&D people can configure any thing includeing defence hardware .
all the technological gains from our J10 will be extended to J17 that 'll keep it at par with their advisories hardware .

double post and sir, China is also new to this field. JF-17 was their first project. Before JF-17 all they did was copy russian designs and slap in a russian engine/copied engine.

Even today, their aircraft use the technology they copied from Russia. J-XX will be their first true fighter. Looking forward to that.

 

[Mani2020]

The only thing france is doing is its Correcting the faults in Our kaveri Engine....

U said LCA avionics and stuff are indeginous
then
wats ths?
Your Kaveri engine
In September 2008, it was announced that the Kaveri would not be ready in time for the Tejas, and that an in-production powerplant would have to be selected.[29] The ADA plans to issue a request for proposal (RFP) for a more powerful engine in the 95 to 100 kilonewton (kN) (21,000–23,000 lbf) range. The contenders are likely to be the Eurojet EJ200 and the General Electric F414. The Eurojet EJ200 propulsion offer has thrust-vectoring. The single crystal turbine blade technology, originally denied to Indian scientists, has also been offered to India by Eurojet via the EJ200 engine.[30]

LCA radar and software
Due to delay in development of MMR, government have come out with the collaboration with IAI for development of Radar the sensor for the new radar is supposed to be EL/M-2052 AESA from Elta and the remaining item and software will be combination of MMR and IAI developed products

LCA HUD

The CSIO-developed HUD, Elbit-furnished DASH helmet-mounted display and sight (HMDS), and hands-on-throttle-and-stick

If um not wrong ELBIT is an israeli company

LCA EW suite

In the interim, the Indian Defence Ministry has revealed that an unspecified number of EW suites have been purchased from Israel's Elisra for the LCA

Elisra again an israeli company

LCA ejection seat

Although two-seat variants of the LCA are planned, the examples built to date are crewed by a single pilot on a Martin-Baker zero-zero ejection seat

Mrtin Baker is a britsh company

LCA MFD

the multi-function displays (MFDs) by Sextant (France)

Missiles and Armaments all from russia


but still LCA is an indeginous fighter