France vows 20-minute armed response to terror attacks

[Vergennes]

@Taygibay
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Photo: AFP


France has promised a 20-minute armed response to terror attacks anywhere in the country by ending the traditional rivalries between the paramilitary and traditional police SWAT teams.

France's interior minister on Tuesday urged the country's elite police forces to end their traditional rivalries following November's jihadist attacks on Paris that claimed 130 lives.

"The time is over for rivalry among forces, it's time for unity," Bernard Cazeneuve told members of the GIGN paramilitary police, an elite RAID unit of the national police and the BRI anti-gang brigade of the Paris police.

"In the face of enemies who are determined to attack us while causing the most damage possible, with no desire to negotiate and whose own deaths are part of their philosophy and strategy, we need effective forces... working together towards the same goals," Cazeneuve said.

Rivalry among the three forces has been known to complicate operations as well as investigations.

The traditional areas of operation -- GIGN elite unit of the gendarmes in rural areas, RAID unit of police in urban centres, plus the BRI in Paris -- will be waived during serious crises or major attacks, Cazeneuve said.

"In the event of mass killings, it's in the first minutes that the terrorists claim the greatest number of victims," Cazeneuve said. "So we must react as quickly as possible, as well as anticipating such an attack."

The measures will ensure a minimum 20-minute response to attacks on towns and cities anywhere in France, he said.

"In a crisis our citizens expect faultless collaboration at all times," Cazeneuve told a news conference. "It's no time for competition between forces, but rather for unity, pooling resources and cooperating in our common interest."

To achieve the 20-minute response time Cazeneuve announced that new branches of GIGN and RAID will be set up around the country and BRI's 100-strong staff will be doubled.

The reforms were to stand their first test later Tuesday with a joint exercise at the Montparnasse rail station in Paris.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20160420/france-unites-elite-swat-teams-to-end-rivalries-gign-raid-bri

 

[C130]

if every second matters you are going to need a fast helicopter to get you there

wonder if France would be interested in the S-97? 407 km/h cruising speed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-97_Raider

 

[Abingdonboy]

if every second matters you are going to need a fast helicopter to get you there

wonder if France would be interested in the S-97? 407 km/h cruising speed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-97_Raider

The S-97's derivative (UH-60 replecement) perhaps but in its present form the S-97 would provide little utility for heavy assualt forces, a single bird could perhaps carry 5 of them (without their support equipment).

 

[C130]

The S-97's derivative (UH-60 replecement) perhaps but in its present form the S-97 would provide little utility for heavy assualt forces, a single bird could perhaps carry 5 of them (without their support equipment).

if the S-97 can carry 5 or 6 soldiers and gear each, and if you have a few of these coming in together think that's plenty to handle some terrorists especially when every minute matters.

these are the first responders after all. you would still have the bigger helicopters coming in 5 to 10 minutes later.

 

[Taygibay]

And, C130, if small ultra fast helos were the sticking point in that reform,
there is a locally made option :

487km/h - 263 mph ... but still too small.

Interagency efficiency will obtain more for less with the present tools.

And thanks Vauban, I'll be looking at this next month.

Great day all, Tay.

 

[waleed3601]

1 attack and this is what happens in france. this is the reason they are a developed nation.

 

[Jaanbaz]

1 attack and this is what happens in france. this is the reason they are a developed nation.

I was about to comment too, it took thousands of Pakistanis to die before the Pakistani leadership started taking any serious steps against terrorists, even now there is a lot to be done.

Would be great if Pakistan could get its Police forces trained by the French.

 

[livingdead]

I was about to comment too, it took thousands of Pakistanis to die before the Pakistani leadership started taking any serious steps against terrorists, even now there is a lot to be done.

Would be great if Pakistan could get its Police forces trained by the French.

you seriously think pakistan's terrorism problem can be solved by merely taking it seriously?
France is a rich country, they have the resource, if you want to spend at their level, you will go broke. Just compare the population, and number of potential terrorists.

 

[Penguin]

if every second matters you are going to need a fast helicopter to get you there

wonder if France would be interested in the S-97? 407 km/h cruising speed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-97_Raider

WORLDS FASTEST HELICOPTER
Eurocopter X3 Hybrid Helicopter 255 Knots 472 km h

 

[C130]

WORLDS FASTEST HELICOPTER
Eurocopter X3 Hybrid Helicopter 255 Knots 472 km h

but can you fast rope out of that?? with the propellers like that?

 

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What about...

Don't lose time with fast roping....

 

[Penguin]

but can you fast rope out of that?? with the propellers like that?

Could you fastrope from the X-2, from which S-97 was developed? Remember, X-3 is a demonstrator. Eurocopter/Airbus Helicopters has suggested that a production H³ application could appear 'as soon as' 2020 The fuselage is based on the Eurocopter AS-365 Dauphin, aka AS565 MBe Panther in army version. The only roping / rappelling pics I found for that are from a fuselage mounted winch on starboard side. If a winch is essentual, I suppose one would have to shoehorn this into the wing, as this takes up the position otherwise occupied by the externally mounted winch. A rear opening (sliding door, I would presume) would be behind the propellors. It should be possible. Assuming variable pitch propellors, you idle idle the vanes or even stop the propellors to reduce rearward directed wash during hover (at landing speed, you wouldn't need the extra forward thrust). Incidentally, as you can see, the big front door has been moved forward on the X-3, and the small front door was deleted, compared to the Dauphin/Panther. So, there is some room there to move the position of a rear sliging door.
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[Worf]

How about a prevention of a attack in the first place; that would be a great plus...

But of course, if it does happen, a fast response is essential.