France rules out submarine sale to Pakistan (according to Dunya news).

[waz]

France refuses supply of submarines over issue of transfer of technology | Pakistan | Dunya News

ISLAMABAD (Dunya News) – Secretary Defense Alam Khattak said on Friday that forces would be sent to Saudi Arabia on the discretion of government. Talking to the standing committee, Alam Khattak was told that the transfer of submarines to Pakistan was suspended by France due to issues pertaining to transfer of technology, reported Dunya News.

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Officials of Pakistan Navy told the committee that government had sent a summary to Chinese government for demand of 8submarines.

The officials told the meeting that government was in talks with Germany, Britain and France regarding procurement ofsubmarines however France has refused amid worries over transfer of technology.

The officials informed that the Navy was being upgraded to in accordance with defense policy which demanded the induction of submarines into the fleet.

The defense officials dismissed the claims of Chinese equipment as faulty adding that the defense technology acquired from China is completely reliable.

 

[waz]

I would have said take the news with a pinch of salt, but this piece of news is consistent with French statements in the past. They are also deeply tied in with India over various deals.

I say look to the Germans. The old HDW offer should be revived i.e. the 214......

 

[DeathInvader]

I would have said take the news with a pinch of salt, but this piece of news is consistent with French statements in the past. They are also deeply tied in with India over various deals.

I say look to the Germans. The old HDW offer should be revived i.e. the 214......

214 would be an excellent option for Pakistan. But again, where are the funds coming from that's the biggest question.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@waz @Horus

This means that The deal for French avionics for JF 17 is also not happening

@waz

What is the price of the Chinese submarine that you are buying

 

[Bobby]

why not buying from China .....you will TOT as well as 50% discount ...may be 100%

 

[waz]

214 would be an excellent option for Pakistan. But again, where are the funds coming from that's the biggest question.

There are funds, I'm not fully aware of the breakdown. Many sources state that they are in talks with the Germans. Now, some reports talk about "used" subs, I say that the 214 deal should be bought back.

@waz @Horus

This means that The deal for French avionics for JF 17 is also not happening

@waz

What is the price of the Chinese submarine that you are buying

I'm not sure of the JF-17 stuff. There have also been no details on the price of the Chinese submarines.

why not buying from China .....you will TOT as well as 50% discount ...may be 100%

East/West mix.

 

[Dalit]

Nothing unexpected from France. This is not an ally country of Pakistan like most Western countries. Frankly, we don't have the cash either. There are better and more cost-effective alternatives for Pakistan. Chinese subs is the way forward. The Chinese subs are excellent and finance isn't a fuss. Keep maintaining the Agosta's.

 

[MilSpec]

@Viper0011. There goes your french theory

 

[DeathInvader]

There are funds, I'm not fully aware of the breakdown. Many sources state that they are in talks with the Germans. Now, some reports talk about "used" subs, I say that the 214 deal should be bought back.

Germany built but never used type 214. Any used sub would be from Greece, Portugal or SK. Also their 212 is not even a decade old yet. Any sub Pakistan buys would be new i guess

 

[SrNair]

French objection is reasonable .Profit is prime aim of business.18 billion$ MMRCA +Scorpene project +others .At any case these are quite profitable than the Pak dollar for second hand system.

 

[Dalit]

@Viper0011. There goes your french theory

What up, ostrich? You getting happy?

 

[flamer84]

It would have been obvious that after India closed the Scorpene deal they would have asked that the same technology wouldn't end up with Pakistan to.

French objection is reasonable .Profit is prime aim of business.18 billion$ MMRCA +Scorpene project +others .At any case these are quite profitable than the Pak dollar for second hand system.

There is no French second hand option as their subs are nuclear .

 

[Dalit]

French objection is reasonable .Profit is prime aim of business.18 billion$ MMRCA +Scorpene project +others .At any case these are quite profitable than the Pak dollar for second hand system.

The French never turn down cash. Even if it means selling used or refurbished subs. Cash is cash. The only reason is Indian whining. Everyone knows it. Not Pakistan's loss at all.

Nothing to worry about for Pakistan. Pakistan has good alternatives at its disposal. Chinese subs have built a very good reputation in recent years. In fact, going to the French was needless.

 

[flamer84]

Germany built but never used type 214. Any used sub would be from Greece, Portugal or SK. Also their 212 is not even a decade old yet. Any sub Pakistan buys would be new i guess

212's are only for Germany,Italy,the developing nations.214 is for export.

 

[VelocuR]

France supplier is not worthy and unreliable after wasting times many years with India's MMRCA

Pakistan should ignore France, they don't produce great quality, poor services, horrible reputations, and triple costs. Remember what France does to Russia about warships deal.