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The decision to suspend delivery of a Mistral naval assault ship to Russia risks costing France at least 1bn euros (£800m), officials say.

French President Francois Hollande said Russia's actions in eastern Ukraine meant conditions were not right for delivery of the helicopter-carrier.

He later said "a ceasefire and a political settlement" should be in place before the deal could go ahead.

Russia was expecting two Mistral ships - the first one in October.

A French diplomat earlier said the contract was suspended until November, and the delay "could cost us 1bn euros".

The deal is worth 1.2bn euros - and Russia is reported to have paid most of it, so breach of contract would mean France having to reimburse that money.

In addition, France would be liable for an extra 251m-euro penalty payment, French news website LCI reports.

The first ship is called the Vladivostok.

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Russian sailors have attracted much attention from locals at the Saint-Nazaire docks
About 400 Russian sailors are training at the shipyard in Saint-Nazaire, western France, to be ready for the eventual handover of the Vladivostok.

International criticism
France had until now resisted pressure to halt the delivery, saying it had to respect an existing contract.

US President Barack Obama and UK Prime Minister David Cameron both criticised the deal, at a time when Russia has been widely condemned for arming pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine and allowing volunteers across the border to help them. Russia denies Western allegations of direct interference in the conflict.

A Russian military expert quoted by the Russian Kommersant news website said the final bill for France could go as high as 3bn euros.

The second ship, the Sevastopol, was to have been sent next year. Mr Hollande made no mention of it in his statement on Wednesday but said in July that delivery would depend on "Russia's attitude".

A union representative at STX, the French construction firm building the Mistral ships, said STX workers expressed "amazement and outrage" after the contract was suspended.

Jean-Marc Perez, quoted by AFP news agency, said that if the contract were cancelled it could threaten hundreds of French jobs.

Russia's Deputy Defence Minister Yury Borisov said the French decision would not hold back Moscow's plans to reform its armed forces.

"Although of course it is unpleasant and adds to certain tensions in relations with our French partners, the cancelling of this contract will not be a tragedy for our modernisation," he said, quoted by Itar-Tass news agency.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin tweeted his thanks to the French leadership for its "responsible decision", which he said was "important for restoring peace in Europe.

source: BBC News - France faces huge Mistral bill for halting Russia deal
 
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Well... France's loss. Russia's gain. The penalty will be severe.
 
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Or it can sell to India which can then sell to Russia........
 
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I dont think Russia cares very much for these boats. These ships were a convenient stop gap at a time when Russian ship yards are too busy with other orders and so they outsourced these as a good will gesture to Frances mic. Nothing more. France is the only loser here. Russia has the french technology already, they will get reimbursed in full and have a cancelation fine as an added bonus. Thhen they can spend this money on their own mic. Implement the french tech into their own and build better ships in 2-3 years time.

Europe is americas bitch
 
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I dont think Russia cares very much for these boats. These ships were a convenient stop gap at a time when Russian ship yards are too busy with other orders and so they outsourced these as a good will gesture to Frances mic. Nothing more. France is the only loser here. Russia has the french technology already, they will get reimbursed in full and have a cancelation fine as an added bonus. Thhen they can spend this money on their own mic. Implement the french tech into their own and build better ships in 2-3 years time.

Europe is americas bitch

Yeah it was a "good will gesture" ha, no losers here, France sells it one way or another and Russia get reimbursed, if I order something and I get an email telling me im not getting it I dont really care.
 
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we own the courts France will be absolved of any breech of contract.
 
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Will be interesting to see what the French plan to do with those ships. I doubt if India will make a bid for them though.
 
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Indeed, the fate of the ships will be interesting. Similar situation with the Iranian revolution - the US had built 4 destroyers for Iran. The ships were never delivered. Instead, they were integrated into the US Navy. Interesting because they were really better than typical DDGs of that period for the US Navy (had, amongst other things, better air-conditioning, making them desirable for tropical assignments).

I'm not sure France would really be able to do that. I don't think it fits with their fleet operation concepts - they'd need escorts. Not like the US where they just push off some other already pending acquisitions. I would guess there are some other countries out there that might be interested. Be fun to speculate on that:

Japan? - buying helicopter-cruisers anyhow... do they want a couple RIGHT NOW?
Pakistan - want to have more naval-dick-measuring with India? pick up a carrier on the cheap maybe?
India - can't let Pakistan buy them! want carriers anyhow...
Wyoming? - Wyoming to Consider Buying an Aircraft Carrier - Forbes (that is a stupid idea!)
China? - they'd rather build their own, but... hey if it's cheap...
Philippines? - probably can't afford it, but could use a start on a real Navy
Australia?
Indonesia?
Malaysia?
Vietnam?
Thailand?
Bangladesh?
Brazil?
Argentina? - for France, it has the added satisfaction of making the UK unhappy!
US could, I suppose, but it would be pretty unlikely due to Congress liking to have all the spending in their district.
 
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Indeed, the fate of the ships will be interesting. Similar situation with the Iranian revolution - the US had built 4 destroyers for Iran. The ships were never delivered. Instead, they were integrated into the US Navy. Interesting because they were really better than typical DDGs of that period for the US Navy (had, amongst other things, better air-conditioning, making them desirable for tropical assignments).

I'm not sure France would really be able to do that. I don't think it fits with their fleet operation concepts - they'd need escorts. Not like the US where they just push off some other already pending acquisitions. I would guess there are some other countries out there that might be interested. Be fun to speculate on that:

Japan? - buying helicopter-cruisers anyhow... do they want a couple RIGHT NOW?
Pakistan - want to have more naval-dick-measuring with India? pick up a carrier on the cheap maybe?
India - can't let Pakistan buy them! want carriers anyhow...
Wyoming? - Wyoming to Consider Buying an Aircraft Carrier - Forbes (that is a stupid idea!)
China? - they'd rather build their own, but... hey if it's cheap...
Philippines? - probably can't afford it, but could use a start on a real Navy
Australia?
Indonesia?
Malaysia?
Vietnam?
Thailand?
Bangladesh?
Brazil?
Argentina? - for France, it has the added satisfaction of making the UK unhappy!
US could, I suppose, but it would be pretty unlikely due to Congress liking to have all the spending in their district.
why did you add bangladesh in the list ? :cheesy:, defence co-operation is almost zero and we do not have that much money.
May be India is possible customer. France and India have good defence relation
 
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Start with those who want, eliminate those too poor... I don't know who has money in SE asia. I just guessed Bangladesh would not turn them down if they were free, but maybe the staff/maintenance is too much on its own? Honestly, I don't even know how much these ships would cost to run. Anyone got numbers?
 
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Indeed, the fate of the ships will be interesting. Similar situation with the Iranian revolution - the US had built 4 destroyers for Iran. The ships were never delivered. Instead, they were integrated into the US Navy. Interesting because they were really better than typical DDGs of that period for the US Navy (had, amongst other things, better air-conditioning, making them desirable for tropical assignments).

I'm not sure France would really be able to do that. I don't think it fits with their fleet operation concepts - they'd need escorts. Not like the US where they just push off some other already pending acquisitions. I would guess there are some other countries out there that might be interested. Be fun to speculate on that:

Japan? - buying helicopter-cruisers anyhow... do they want a couple RIGHT NOW?
Pakistan - want to have more naval-dick-measuring with India? pick up a carrier on the cheap maybe?
India - can't let Pakistan buy them! want carriers anyhow...
Wyoming? - Wyoming to Consider Buying an Aircraft Carrier - Forbes (that is a stupid idea!)
China? - they'd rather build their own, but... hey if it's cheap...
Philippines? - probably can't afford it, but could use a start on a real Navy
Australia?
Indonesia?
Malaysia?
Vietnam?
Thailand?
Bangladesh?
Brazil?
Argentina? - for France, it has the added satisfaction of making the UK unhappy!
US could, I suppose, but it would be pretty unlikely due to Congress liking to have all the spending in their district.

:lol: @ Wyoming.

China will not be allowed to buy it due to the weapons embargo. I don't want China to buy it even if it could.
Why?
China will delay its own LHD building by taking an easy route and importing foreign weapons. Only when China has no alternatives does the CPC start to care about developing China's own industry. In the long term, China will benefit. The weapons embargo have forced China to develop its own military industries and not care about reverse-engineering Western tech since there is no cooperation between the West and China.
Buying from the West means you have to go with Western rules and China will be banned from reverse-engineering it.

China is already building the 40,000 ton LHD and this will be very important for the Naval shipbuilding capabilities of China.

Well... France's loss. Russia's gain. The penalty will be severe.

You really expect France to pay any penalty under the current situation?

All contracts now are pretty much irrelevant.
 
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Start with those who want, eliminate those too poor... I don't know who has money in SE asia. I just guessed Bangladesh would not turn them down if they were free, but maybe the staff/maintenance is too much on its own? Honestly, I don't even know how much these ships would cost to run. Anyone got numbers?
surely those will not be free, each cost about $400-$600million.
If France sell at half of its cost then BD might look for one unit but then again do not know about maintenance cost.Beside, to support this kind of ship, you need a big battle group which BN does not have. After 10 years BN will look for similar platform for sure.
 
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