Four US Men Arrested over Terror, Ricin Plots

[Abu Zolfiqar]

The American authorities have arrested four Georgia men accused of plotting to buy explosives and produce a deadly biological toxin to attack US citizens and government officials.

The US justice department said they were members of a fringe domestic militia group and had planned to manufacture ricin for use in their attacks.

The men attended meetings starting in March during which they discussed carrying out crimes, including murder, to undermine federal and state government, prosecutors said. The targets included local police, federal government buildings and employees of agencies such as the internal revenue service.

The meetings were monitored the FBI with the help of an informant, according to prosecutors. Two of the men also met an undercover agent to discuss buying explosives and weapons parts, they added.

The men are Frederick Thomas, 73, from Cleveland; Dan Roberts, 67; Ray H Adams, 65; and Samuel J. Crump, 68, all from Toccoa.

At a meeting at Thomas' house in March, Thomas said he had enough weapons to arm everyone at the table and that he had compiled a "bucket list" of government employees, politicians, business leaders and member of the media he felt needed to be "taken out" to "make the country right again", according to court documents.

"There is no way for us, as militiamen, to save this country, to save Georgia, without doing something that's highly, highly illegal. Murder," Thomas said during the meeting, court records show.

During a meeting in September, Crump said he wanted to make 4.5kg (10lb) of ricin and spread it in various US cities, according to prosecutors. Authorities said he described one scenario in which the toxin would be blown from a car travelling on Atlanta highways.

Last month, Adams allegedly gave Crump a sample of the beans used to produce ricin, prosecutors said.

Ricin can cause death from exposure to as little as a pinhead quantity. Most victims die between 36 hours and 72 hours after exposure, and there is no known antidote.

The most famous case of ricin poisoning was in 1978 when the dissident Bulgarian writer Georgi Markov was killed when an assassin in London jabbed him with an umbrella that injected a tiny ricin-filled pellet.

"These defendants, who are alleged to be part of a fringe militia group, are charged with planning attacks against their own fellow citizens and government," Sally Quillian Yates, the US attorney for the northern district of Georgia, said in a statement.

"While many are focused on the threat posed by international violent extremists, this case demonstrates that we must also remain vigilant in protecting our country from citizens within our own borders who threaten our safety and security," she said.

Georgia men arrested over alleged US ricin plot | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

[Doctor09]

IF there was any Muslim involved then they instead of using Georgia man they used Muslim terrorist as headline ..........

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

IF there was any Muslim involved then they instead of using Georgia man they used Muslim terrorist as headline ..........

thats the sad truth

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

BBC News - Elderly men accused of US ricin plot

Four elderly men from the US state of Georgia have appeared in court charged with plotting to murder officials using explosives and the lethal toxin ricin.

Court documents say the group scoped out federal buildings and asked a contact to produce ricin.

The FBI used a confidential informant to record the group's meetings.

The men were arrested on Tuesday days after a laboratory test found trace amounts of ricin in their possession, the authorities said.

'Blow the building'

The four were named as Frederick Thomas, Dan Roberts, Ray Adams, and Samuel Crump, all ranging in age from 65 to 73.

The bespectacled accused appeared to have trouble hearing the judge at the federal court in Gainesville, even though she was using a microphone.

A bail hearing is scheduled for next week.

Mr Thomas allegedly wanted to model the group's actions on the online novel Absolved, which involves small groups of citizens attacking US officials.

The novel's author, Mike Vanderboegh, wrote on his blog on Wednesday his book was fiction, and was sceptical the group could have ever carried out the attacks.

Mr Vanderboegh told the Associated Press his novel was intended as a "useful dire warning" about the US government encroaching too far on the rights of armed citizens.

According to court documents, Mr Thomas told the group he had a "bucket list" of politicians, employees and others he felt needed to be "taken out".

He allegedly told an informant: "There's two schools of thought on this: go for the feds or go for the locals. And I'm inclined to consider both.

"We'd have to blow the whole building like Timothy McVeigh."

Mr Crump and Mr Adams were allegedly assigned to try to obtain or make ricin.

Mr Crump was recorded in September saying he would like to make 10lb (4.5kg) of the toxin.

Charlotte Thomas, Mr Thomas's wife, told the AP the charges against her husband were baseless.

"He spent 30 years in the US Navy. He would not do anything against his country," she said. "He loves his country."

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

thats the sad truth

The men are Sheeda Talli, 73, from Cleveland; Kala Bijju, 67; Tutta Jandra, 65; and Phajja Ali, 68, all from Toccoa

 

[Safriz]

Thanks God None of them were Muslim..Or it was a Huge big Headline news..Governments had Pumped out another Billion or two to Upgrade their war machine...Security forces round the world would have canceled Holidays...All hands would have been on Deck..Many USA Muslims had got kicked out of domestic flights..And last but not least,somehow these men would have been found to have links with PAKISTAN,,,

 

[Trisonics]

IF there was any Muslim involved then they instead of using Georgia man they used Muslim terrorist as headline ..........

Most Muslim terrorists either claim its fight for Islam (jihad) or shout "Allah hu Akbar" before they blow themselves or others up. Simply put, they involve religion in their act. Had these guys said "Its a fight for Christianity" or something that indicated the faith of these terrorists, I'm sure they would be tagged as terrorists following a particular faith.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Most Muslim terrorists either claim its fight for Islam (jihad) or shout "Allah hu Akbar" before they blow themselves or others up. Simply put, they involve religion in their act. Had these guys said "Its a fight for Christianity" or something that indicated the faith of these terrorists, I'm sure they would be tagged as terrorists following a particular faith.

How many of you even know the meaning of "Jihad" before you associate Islam with violence or terrorism? Western media also takes the word “jihad” out of the context only to propagate negative views on Islam. Jihad can mean a number of things that a Muslim does for the sake of God. You can say allah o kubar and can kill innocent harmless kid but will you consider it Jihad ? Think about it

What you don't get is that a terrorist might claim to be a follower of Islam , but all of his actions do not necessarily represent Islam.

 

[Edevelop]

Most Muslim terrorists either claim its fight for Islam (jihad) or shout "Allah hu Akbar" before they blow themselves or others up. Simply put, they involve religion in their act. Had these guys said "Its a fight for Christianity" or something that indicated the faith of these terrorists, I'm sure they would be tagged as terrorists following a particular faith.

Do you watch Bollywood movies or something that show muslims saying "Allah hu Akbar" and "Jihad"? I think you should learn about Islam first before making any such comment. Or if that doesn't help then at least make a thread about Islam. Yes there are dumb extremists like what you are trying to say and they blow themselves up but the reality is not just Islam. I know that Indians like you view the West with great complexions but in fact you guys should come out of that and watch them all fall like dominos. Anyways, may i ask, who is the biggest terrorist? is it simply a random guy holding a cheap gun in the middle of now where or is it someone who has troops in almost every single continent in this world? I think you know what I'm pointing out. Think about that first.

 

[Doctor09]

Most Muslim terrorists either claim its fight for Islam (jihad) or shout "Allah hu Akbar" before they blow themselves or others up. Simply put, they involve religion in their act. Had these guys said "Its a fight for Christianity" or something that indicated the faith of these terrorists, I'm sure they would be tagged as terrorists following a particular faith.

i hope got your answer in post# 8 and 9

 

[Safriz]

Most Muslim terrorists either claim its fight for Islam (jihad) or shout "Allah hu Akbar" before they blow themselves or others up. Simply put, they involve religion in their act. Had these guys said "Its a fight for Christianity" or something that indicated the faith of these terrorists, I'm sure they would be tagged as terrorists following a particular faith.

You need to update your knowledge base before writing such comments..
Extremist can be for any reason.It can be for animal rights,for environment ..feminism..and people have been killed for all those reasons,and even bomb threats made and attempts made...

Animal Rights and Environmental Extremists

 

[Chogy]

In this case it was political extremism. Probably the most common form of terror there is.

 

[Safriz]

In this case it was political extremism. Probably the most common form of terror there is.

but the good thing is they got caught before causing any harm to general public.....
I have friends and relatives living in Amreeka,and for that reason and other reasons i would want the country to be safe and prosper.

 

[Chogy]

Our FBI and local law enforcement is very good. Most of these idiots are caught because they go seeking explosives and the like, and the people who actually make explosives call the FBI, who then set up a sting operation. These sorts of idiots are usually very short on brains.

 

[Trisonics]

i hope got your answer in post# 8 and 9

Doctor bhai I never asked a question to get an answer but was merely pointing out why "Faith" of certain terrorists are highlighted in some cases. However, it was interesting to see some trigger-happy responses without comprehension of what was being discussed and dragging the conversation out of context.

Please re-read what I had to say, I never questioned Islam, Jihad, etc. I merely pointed out that terrorists who happen to be Muslims do use their faith in some way that leads to them being identified as Muslims. Hence, in more cases than not their faith is identified in reports or headlines.