For those Lahoris who hate their metro bus!

[FaujHistorian]

Yaar what crap I want to know why more important sector is neglected.

Please open the thread. Invite me and I'll provide input.

Promise promise, deal deal?

 

[Viper0011.]

its not the project but the insatiable greed for commission and haram khori that we oppose

Wait....what Greed for Commission? My company worked with a Pakistani firm to get the auditing contract. It went to transparency international and I've seen their reports.....there was NO corruption at the leadership level, estimated 10-15% low end bottom level corruption at the street contractor level, which is EVERYWHERE. People need to realize, the current government isn't doing any corruption and they've started many billions worth of projects. Btw, I could care less about your country's politics, but I also like to make sure the truth is being said....and I am only speaking about now like since these guys came into power. They may have done a lot of corruption the last time they were in power. Frankly speaking, that doesn't matter. You should see the progress being made now. Pakistan has gained a LOT of investor confidence due to the current gov't's efforts

 

[PurpleButcher]

Its just jealousy and envy if they speak against any development work anywhere in the country. These people were also opposing motorway project . I mean seriously they or their leader motto is na kaam karhein ghey khud na karne dein ghey

Me dear Pakistani brother... please carefully read the following lines

> No true and sincere Pakistani will ever be against development of Pakistan.

> Next we need to define development
> There are certain things in Pakistan that do not exist which need to be developed (Category 1)
> There are certain things in Pakistan which do exist but can be further enhanced ( Category 2)

> Category 1
1> Electricity production from cheap sources. We do have more than the required installed capacity. The problem is it is coming from damn expensive power plants. Furthermore, not all Pakistan believes in paying bills. So what happens is expensive electricity that only a small segment of Pakistan pays. This results in circular debt and load shedding cause govt cant afford to run expensive power plants. This load shedding results in affecting industry in an adverse manner. Many industrialists have shifted to better opportunities in bangladesh, malaysia. I even owned a small factory related to PVC but the input costs were so variable that it became in feasible for me to continue in Pakistan.

This thing alone needs to be developed massively as the first and foremost priority because it leads to the following
> Joblessness
> Frustrated masses
> Weak economy
> Inflation

2> Development of human resources. The names of decent universities of this 200 million nation can be counted on finger tips. I need not to say anymore. We need development funds in this sector.

3> Health and schools > Frankly there are only 10-15 decent standard hospitals in Pakistan and all of them concentrated in Islamabad/Pindi , Lahore, Karachi.... We have to create world class medical infrastructure to serve the needs of this 6th largest nation. The govt must develop hospitals.

Category 2>

1> Intra city transportation> Lemme give the example of Pindi/Isb. few years back we used to have Varan buses. They were comfortable, punctual and on multiple routes and cheap as well. The hi-ace mafia came and burnt their buses, claimed they were causing accidents so on so forth. Varan stopped. Yes now a days it was a problem. But we have to decide what is the cheapest and best way to solve this mess. the answer is restoration of Varan of multiple routes, development of leh expressway. these two steps will cost 20% of the cost of metro bus and will be more effective, will cover more routes than Metro. Furthermoreif you wanted to develop metro were you sleeping few years ago when twice you tore Murree Road for flyover projects and brought pindi to a stand still. Make a city development authority which may plan city's development as per the local needs not as per the wishes of political leaders for political mileages.

2> Similarly Motorways > When you already have a way to travel from point A to B , why you need another 100km lengthy route. Why cant the Nooras just widen the existing GT road and you get a cheap solution.

Conclusion

Metro and motorway are decent projects but not for today's Pakistan. Today's Pakistan needs electricity, gas, control of inflation, jobs, law and order.

Think without noora chasma

 

[Leader]

Wah almost 150Billion on Metro Projects excluding Azadi chock flyover and NO money to fix load shedding woderful khidmat e ala.

@Leader @Irfan Baloch

because there are no kickbacks in it.

 

[Jazzbot]

So KPK has now 100% literacy Rate ? Hospital available to everyone ? all kids going to school ? ... as last i heard they were also building one ...

Setting health and education at top priority doesn't mean that we are now bound to do nothing in other departments. Hope you can comprehend such simple things.

OK .. if we are talking about budgets .. then Punjab is spending more on Education & health ... Now what ?

Really, lets talk about per capita budgets of Punjab & KPK:

Do the maths yourself and educate us on your findings please.

That I agree with , a very valid & true reason , but shouldn't you go for more accountability .. rather then no project at all ?? ... isn't that more rational ?

Where is accountability of Lahore metro? All records were burnt to ashes in Lahore, right before the elections.

 

[W.11]

Setting health and education at top priority doesn't mean that we are now bound to do nothing in other departments. Hope you can comprehend such simple things.




Really, lets talk about per capita budgets of Punjab & KPK:


Do the maths yourself and educate us on your findings please.




Where is accountability of Lahore metro? All records were burnt to ashes in Lahore, right before the elections.

abe ghanchakkar what abot per capita total budget of punjab and KPK Punjab has allocated percentage wise more on education and health than KPK

 

[Jazzbot]

Please dig it up and export to Karachi.

We'll ever be thankful.

As you do not like it, rather hate it.

So why keep it?

Stop this smearing, cherry picking, twisting stuff and hate mongering, no one is against metro bus, showbaz sharif didn't build it from his pocket, its our national asset and we love it like we love every national asset of this country.

Its the fcked up priorities of Punjab Govt which we criticize, and some bunch of zombies take it as if we are against metro buses. If you don't have sufficient mind to comprehend such simple things, then I suggest to quit this defense forum and go take some elementary classes to groom up mentally.

In a province of around 10 crore people, where people have gazillions of problems to deal with. A mad constructor is busy spending all the money at building roads, buses, bridges and flyovers. A mad cow is ruling us in Punjab, who doesn't know what is needed the most for the people of Punjab.

abe ghanchakkar what abot per capita total budget of punjab and KPK Punjab has allocated percentage wise more on education and health than KPK

Total budget in percentage means nothing. Let me make it simple for you.

Me and my brother earn almost same salaries i.e. 100 Rs per month.

I spend 10% of my salary at education of my kids, and I have 30 kids. And my brother spends 6% of his salary at his 3 kids. Who spends more on his kids?

Jawab de ghanchakkar?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Wait....what Greed for Commission? My company worked with a Pakistani firm to get the auditing contract. It went to transparency international and I've seen their reports.....there was NO corruption at the leadership level, estimated 10-15% low end bottom level corruption at the street contractor level, which is EVERYWHERE. People need to realize, the current government isn't doing any corruption and they've started many billions worth of projects. Btw, I could care less about your country's politics, but I also like to make sure the truth is being said....and I am only speaking about now like since these guys came into power. They may have done a lot of corruption the last time they were in power. Frankly speaking, that doesn't matter. You should see the progress being made now. Pakistan has gained a LOT of investor confidence due to the current gov't's efforts

i kiss your hands and I dont doubt you
what year you are talking about by the way?

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

yes sir

count how many politicans have been "accounted" for? who is going to check them? 35 puncutre ever smug Najam sheti or the relative Justice Jawad Khawaja?

also tell how many have paid back?
how much Nawaz paid in taxes by the way?

Ephedrine drug smuggler Hanif abbasi is president of metro bus project

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Wait....what Greed for Commission? My company worked with a Pakistani firm to get the auditing contract.

by the way did your contract have a monetary value in it?
I am pleasantly surprised that it passed all checks
and you dont need to tell me how ANAL American law is about foreign bribery and unlawful commissions.
but its Pakistan here were any ruling party regardless of its name or affiliation works on the bases of insider trading , conflict of interest and kickbacks.
our ministers have stake in energy companies and in textile and sugar mills and they are the ones who set the prices.

thats like blasphemy in the west and anyone's political or corporate career will be ruined and a very long jail term.

but as you said it

miracles do happen thanks for sharing your story

Ephedrinedrug smuggler Hanif abbasi is president of metro bus project

the family that is so blatant in its dealing
before announcing the freezing of FX accounts the cabinet ministers in Nawaz sherif previous government picked all all the dolalrs and laid off the toxic shares that were going to go down. wors example of insider trading.

 

[W.11]

You bastard, that was just an example. Go put your head in the hole from where you popped out.

hey mind your language, tht was a joke

 

[Jazzbot]

hey mind your language, tht was a joke

That joke was in very bad taste, remove it and I will remove my above post in response.

 

[Bratva]

Rot sets in’ at Shaikh Zayed Hospital
By Asif Chaudhry
Published Dec 03, 2013 07:53am

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LAHORE, Dec 2: Shaikh Zayed Hospital is facing some administrative, academic and financial challenges which are being seen as the emerging crisis in coming days if the government continues to be indifferent to its affairs.

The hospital was known as one of the state-of-the-art institutes for the treatment of top bureaucrats and other VIP patients with more than Rs400 million annual budget when it was under the administrative control of the cabinet division.

The issues started piling up since it was transferred to the Punjab government in February 2012 along with all other components, an official privy to the development told Dawn.

The components included Shaikh Khalifa Zayed Bin Sultan Al Nahyan Medical and Dental College, Shaikh Zayed Postgraduate Medical Institute and Sheikh Fatima Institute of Nursing and Health Sciences.

“The institute is fast losing its dignity both in medical and healthcare sectors and one of the major factors behind its downfall is said to be the indifferent attitude of the Punjab government,” he said.

He said Shaikh Zayed Hospital suffered a major dent in the form of drastic annual budget cut which was reduced from Rs480 million to Rs220 million. The budget curtailment adversely affected financial, administrative, academic and even service care matters.

The official said: “It is yet unclear as to who will run it – the Punjab government or the federal government – as a parliamentary panel has again recommended to giving back administrative control of the Sheikh Zayed Hospital, Lahore, to the federal government.”

He said the Senate Standing Committee on National Health Services, Regulations and Coordination in its recommendations in October this year stated that the patients and employees had been suffering ever since its control was given to the Punjab province.

Owing to the financial crunch, the hospital has been facing an acute shortage of medicines and funds for salaries of faculty, doctors as well as other employees.

“Currently, the institute is facing a deficit of approximately Rs220 million and the major factor is annual budget cut.

“Inactive Board of Governors (BoG) is another critical issue which has brought several affairs of the institute to almost ‘standstill’. The Punjab government has failed to reconstitute BoG of the institute since it got its administrative control,” he said.

The official said the Punjab government had constituted a transition committee. Headed by Senator Ishaq Dar, the committee was given full mandate to run all matters of the institute in the absence of the BoG.

Unfortunately, the official said, the committee did not meet for the last one year or so as Ishaq Dar could not spare time.

Shortage of senior faculty and financial crisis of Shaikh Khalifa Zayed Bin Sultan Al Nahyan Medical and Dental College have also emerged as major problems as the Punjab government has recently reduced its fee structure from Rs400,000 to Rs41,000 only.

“Neither the government has allocated funds for tuition fee against allocated seats for the college nor evolved any proposal in this regard.

“The college does not have its own faculty and more than 25 medical teachers have been hired to impart education to undergraduates from the Shaikh Zayed Postgraduate Medical Institute for the last five year or so,” he said.

These teachers were being paid each Rs100,000 as additional monthly incentive since then. “As the major source of their salaries was the handsome tuition fee structure of the medical college, its administration has no funds to pay them due to revised fee structure,” he said, adding that the college is still functioning without its own faculty.

Shaikh Zayed Hospital Chairman/Dean Prof Dr Zafar Iqbal is going to retire from his service by June and Professor of Anaesthesia Dr Muhammad Nauman Ali is said to be the next contender for this top post for being senior among his colleagues.

The official said: “Since the BoG and the transition committee are not active, the selection of a suitable candidate as head of the institute may delay.

Health Additional Secretary (Technical) and Focal Person for Shaikh Zayed Hospital Dr Anwar Janjua clarified the position of the government saying that the Board of Trustees of the institute is the supreme body which actually reconstitutes BoG.

He said as the Board of Trustees was also to be reconstituted, the health department had sent a summary to the Punjab chief minister to forward it to the President of Pakistan a year ago.

“The President of Pakistan is the chairman/patron-in-chief of the Board of Trustees. As a representative of King of UAE is also made a member of the board, the process of its constitution may take time,” he said.

About scarcity of funds and faculty, Dr Janjua said he had already asked the SZH chairman to submit a proposal to the finance department for the supplementary grant to run financial affairs of the institute.

He said the health department had not yet received any proposal from the institute to forward it to the authorities concerned for subsidised medical education.

Ward woes: In Rawalpindi hospitals, everything is at own risk
By Fawad Ali / Photo: Zafar Aslam
Published: June 5, 2014

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Patients and attendants wait in outside in the lawn due to the boiling-hot waiting rooms. PHOTO: ZAFAR ASLAM/ EXPRESS

RAWALPINDI:
Barriers at main entrances, unreasonably high parking fees and cramped waiting lounges have compounded the problems of patients and visitors to the allied hospitals.

Contractors have been awarded parking contracts charging the motorists at will. They charge Rs10 per hour for a motorcycle and Rs30 for a car, yet the receipt still reads, ‘Parking at your own risk’.

Visitors from other cities such as Chakwal, Attock, or Azad Jammu and Kashmir also complained about being overcharged parking fees.

“My mother has been admitted here for a week and I had to pay Rs1,000 as car parking fee to the contractor at the District Headquarters (DHQ) Hospital,” said Wahid Saeed.

“We have paid Rs5.7 million to get the contract. We also have to pay our staff,” said Altaf, who collects parking fees at the main gate of DHQ hospital.

Parking conditions at Benazir Bhutto Hospital (BBH) are even worse.

Bikes and cars are left in no-parking areas to avoid paying parking fees, making it difficult for patients, especially those with limited physical mobility, to even enter the hospital.

As a result of this, scuffles between visitors and parking contractors are a common sight at BBH.

“Why should I pay the fee if I have to park my motorcycle at my own risk,” a visitor wrangled with a contractor when he saw the receipt handed to him at the gate.

Blocked entrances

Barriers placed at the entrances to the three main public hospitals — DHQ, BBH and Holy Family Hospital — to regulate the traffic have also created difficulties for walk-in patients who must duck and weave their way in.

Besides, the doorways of various wards are blocked with chains, which are opened only in an emergency. Patients, including the elderly and women, have to either cross over the chains or go through the narrow space on one side.

The pain of waiting

According to figures provided by the hospital administrations, around 4,000 people visit the three hospitals every day.

Unfortunately, waiting lounges in the hospitals, which already have limited seating, also lack fans and clean drinking water. Most of the water coolers installed at the hospitals are in poor shape and visitors are forced to purchase bottled water.

When asked about the parking fee, the DHQ medical superintendent said he can only comment after reading the contract and hung up. BBH MS Asif Qadir Mir was not available for comment

Published in The Express Tribune, June 5th, 2014.

Govt’s claims of healthcare provision fall short
By The Newspaper's Correspondent
Updated 2 days ago

The social and public circles have appealed to Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan to take note of the deplorable condition of the THQ hospital. - File photo
TAXILA: Punjab chief minister’s much publicised health reforms programme seems like a distant dream for the residents of Taxila and Wah Cantonment.

Tehsil Headquarters (THQ) Hospital Taxila has proved that the only provincial government-run health facility in the twin cities is incapable of dealing with the large influx of patients, especially road accident victims. The patients have been deprived of basic medicines, even syringes and bandages, due to paucity of funds.

The 40-bed THQ hospital, which caters to the residents of Taxila and Wah Cantonment along with the neighbouring town of Khanpur, sees a large influx of about 154,000 patients per year.

Patients at THQ hospital have to bring their own medicines for treatment, while surgeries are conducted in candle light
However, the hospital only has a meagre Rs0.8 million sanctioned budget for medicines.

Keeping in view the number of patients, the budget expires during the first three months.

For the rest of the year, the poor patients, even those coming in for emergency cases, have to bring their own medicines, syringes and bandages for treatment.

Due to the absence of lifesaving drugs, patients, especially road accident victims, either die here or on their way to hospitals in Rawalpindi.

Sources say that there are 87 lifesaving drugs that the Punjab government announced it would provide to patients in emergencies, but only a few of these are available at the trauma centre.

The hospital also has limited funds for generator fuel, resultantly, during the loadshedding hours, small operations and labour deliveries are conducted under candle or torch light.

A number of patients told Dawn that 90 per cent of them bring their own medicines from the open market, as they are even denied basic medicines at the hospital.

A patient, Perveen, said: “We are poor people and cannot afford the costly treatment at private hospitals, but we have failed to get any relief here at the government hospital, despite the tall claims of the provincial government, which, using electronic and print media, made announcements of provision of better healthcare facilities to the people.”

Sources say that THQ hospitals in Kahuta and Gujar Khan, which see lesser number of patients per year, get funds worth Rs3.8 million and Rs4 million for medicines, respectively, while THQ Hospital Taxila gets merely Rs0.8 million, despite catering to a large number of patients.

When contacted, THQ Hospital Taxila Medical Superintendent Dr Mohammad Shahid confirmed that the hospital has limited funds of Rs0.8 million, which is insufficient to deal with the high number of patients. Therefore indoor and outdoor patients are asked to bring their own medicines from the local market.

He added that around 700 patients visit the Out-Patient Department (OPD) of the hospital daily.

The social and public circles have appealed to Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan to take note of the deplorable condition of the THQ hospital, which is in dire need of basic facilities, for the poor patients of his own constituency.

Published in Dawn, July 16th, 2014

 

[W.11]

That joke was in very bad taste, remove it and I will remove my above post in response.

okay, as you took tht so personal and and got offended, i delete my post, but it was a joke and relative to your post and was nothing personal and not in a bad taste, but you have insulted my mother is a disgusting manner and infact all mothers and females in general, don't you have a mother to say such bad words dear?

 

[Bratva]

Apparantly roads, flyovers metro buses in Lahore is more important than overall health sector of Punjab