For overseas Pakistanis question

[war&peace]

Ask this question to yourself.. What if you get a second citizenship and your new country forces you to fight China. What will you do?

I asked him the same question because it will be much more valuable for him.

Dear you will find the answer if you post this question to the Chinese living in the west since Chinese diaspora outnumber Pakistani origin people by a large margin while USA + West are constantly conspiring against China and there's a chance that USA + NATO may take on China... so what will be the choice for them?

Chinese are in Canada and Canadians are crying that chinese are taking over buying out all properties and business including buying out politicians.

China is facing the same situation rather some times even worse so it is more perti

I'd fly back to Pakistan. I'm in Britain because our family was poor and refugees from Kashmir. We lived in a remote village with little to no job prospects.

My father came here to work. I was born and raised here. I am a British national but my ethnicity and religion is different. I also have a Pakistani passport. For many of us here we are on our third or fourth generation but always asked to integrate: ie accept British culture above our own.

I have the same legal status and rights as a white man, but not the same acceptance. While I am racially and socially different they will never see me as truly equal, that's the European way.

I realise I am and always will be Pakistani. That is where ultimately my loyalty lies.

I am British citizen [born/bred] and would fight for Britain against every country on earth excluding two.

• Pakistan
• Turkey

I am actually too old at 57 and at any rate I could use conscientious objection as a means to avoid draft under British law but I guess your question is trying to draw at something deeper. So for the sake of answering your question I would accept losing my citizenship in case I was asked to fight Pakistan [being my land of heritage] and have relatives in Pak military. I could never fight them. It's question of blood. As regards Turkey I could never fight them although I have no Turkish heritage but my emotional investment in that great country is such I could possibly not fight them either. Thus I would be ready to surrender my citizenship.

Rest. Few like China, Iran, Afghanistan I might have some regret. Others no worries. Although if it was India, Bangla, Saudia, UAE [in order] I would take particular pleasure in pulling the trigger.

@KediKesenFare @T-123456

Your response resonates with my feelings and my answer would be very similar as far Pakistan is concerned. However we should ask OP to pose this question to Chinese living in the West because they face the similar situation and dilemma.

 

[beijingwalker]

Overseas Chinese are no longer Chinese, their loyalty should be with the countries they reside, we never expect them to fight for China.

 

[PakSword]

Overseas Chinese are no longer Chinese, their loyalty should be with the countries they reside, we never expect them to fight for China.

But will they ever fight against China?

 

[beijingwalker]

But will they ever fight against China?

They surely will and it's natural, Japanese Americans fought for US during the WW2.

 

[PakSword]

They surely will and it's natural, Japanese Americans fought for US during the WW2.

I don't think they will..

 

[war&peace]

Overseas Chinese are no longer Chinese, their loyalty should be with the countries they reside, we never expect them to fight for China.

No, your question was will they fight against their country of origin i.e. China if USA attacks China?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

No, your question was will they fight against their country of origin i.e. China if USA attacks China?

Most likely they will. Our notion of loyalty is primitive religo-tribal. It does not easily denude. Most Europeans, Chinese and Japanese notion of loyalty is to nation state. There are pro and cons for both.

• religo-tribal will not denude so easu and will continue to carry traction irrespective of geography. I could be living across the globe but my loyality is to tribe/biradari. Note primarily it is to tribe/biradari and not to the state. The fact that the tribe/biradari resides in Pakistan means as incidentally it also secondarily applies to Pakistan.
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• with modern notion of nation state loyalty is to the state. Which means it transcends religion, tribe, biradari etc. It is you and the state. With no other intermediaries. As a nation state is a legal concept it means when modern people like Chinese, Europeans, Japanese move to another country and recieve that citizenship they tend to invest 100% loyalty in that adopted state. Certainly by second generation.

 

[313ghazi]

Overseas Chinese are no longer Chinese, their loyalty should be with the countries they reside, we never expect them to fight for China.

For Pakistanis Pakistan is not a country, its something we love, its our destiny, its an obsession - its why fools like me who have never been there for more than a few weeks at a time spend every day for decades on forums reading and talking about Pakistan.

At a time when the honour of Muslims was stripped worldwide, Allah rewarded us with Pakistan. Our forefathers sacrificed thier lives to be a part of it. It means everything to us. No amount of being away from it will change that.

Love is illogical.

 

[war&peace]

Most likely they will. Our notion of loyalty is primitive religo-tribal. It does not easily denude. Most Europeans, Chinese and Japanese notion of loyalty is to nation state. There are pro and cons for both.

• religo-tribal will not denude so easu and will continue to carry traction irrespective of geography. I could be living across the globe but my loyality is to tribe/biradari. Note primarily it is to tribe/biradari and not to the state. The fact that the tribe/biradari resides in Pakistan means as incidentally it also secondarily applies to Pakistan.
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• with modern notion of nation state loyalty is to the state. Which means it transcends religion, tribe, biradari etc. It is you and the state. With no other intermediaries. As a nation state is a legal concept it means when modern people like Chinese, Europeans, Japanese move to another country and recieve that citizenship they tend to invest 100% loyalty in that adopted state. Certainly by second generation.

Sorry I'm busy.. just received guests from NZ. I will just that no not all Chinese will do that. I have met many Chinese in USA and Europe... many second generation and still they criticise anti-China policies of their countries of the residence and same goes for Gangadeshis and others.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

For Pakistanis Pakistan is not a country, its something we love, its our destiny, its an obsession - its why fools like me who have never been there for more than a few weeks at a time spend every day for decades on forums reading and talking about Pakistan.

At a time when the honour of Muslims was stripped worldwide, Allah rewarded us with Pakistan. Our forefathers sacrificed thier lives to be a part of it. It means everything to us. No amount of being away from it will change that.

Love is illogical.

Agreed. but it's more then that. The problem is our religo-tribal sentiments do not fit in modern concept of nation states. Therefore we struggle to merge with the mainstream in our host countries. We find ourselfs as fish on land. This leads to us being rejected by the host communities and our skin tone only adds to us being 'fish on land'. A species that does not fit. Thus we might live on land but our minds our the open sea where we can fit in. Thus our extraordinary attachment to Pakistan.

The Chinese [Japanese, Europeans etc] within a generation blend in whatever country they are in and only their faces expose their origins - the soul belongs to the host country.

 

[Safriz]

For example you are a UK/US/whatever citizenship with Pakistan heritage. You are draft into military and ask to fight Pakistan in a outbreak of conflict between UK/US/whatever vs Pakistan. Refusal of draft will be striped of citizenship and ask you go back Pakistan.

Which will you choose?

@Rusty @Itachi

Nop I won't fight Pakistan, instead give up my nationality if such a choice is given to me.
Other than that I will fight any other country who invades Britain.

Just to mention that my grandfather fought as a captain In the British army and was in Burma during WW2.
I couldn't find any record of him with the British army , as if he didn't exist. They only kept records of indigenous British who fought in WW2.
The rest didn't matter and nobody cares.
If same situation happens again, and even if we fight, it won't matter again.
People will just say we fought for military wages given to us by Britain.

 

[El Sidd]

For example you are a UK/US/whatever citizenship with Pakistan heritage. You are draft into military and ask to fight Pakistan in a outbreak of conflict between UK/US/whatever vs Pakistan. Refusal of draft will be striped of citizenship and ask you go back Pakistan.

Which will you choose?

@Rusty @Itachi

you cant take Pakistan out of the people. They take their Pakistan with them wherever they go.

Heimweh is real for Pakistanis not just academia

 

[beijingwalker]

I don't think they will..

Look at Gordon Chang.

 

[Beast]

Hehe

I will use your strategy of not replying to the question and just change the topic.

It is illegal to learn about things that your government doesn't want you to learn about, but you really like hanging out on PDF.
Will you break your countries law and use a VPN to hang out on PDF?

I think I would, PDF is too much fun

How about you @Beast ?

You are not Pakistanis and a Canadian. I see why you are so interested in messing up Sino-Pakistan r/s. Your words has no value on China.

I didnt break any Chinese law and in fact, PRC will be proud of me and my patriot action. Canada government will be proud of you but not Pakistan. Pakistan will think you are nothing.

you cant take Pakistan out of the people. They take their Pakistan with them wherever they go.

Heimweh is real for Pakistanis not just academia

So loyal, why dont stick with Pakistan nationality? LOL.

No, your question was will they fight against their country of origin i.e. China if USA attacks China?

Yes, they are....

PLA soldier will not hesitate to shot this American Chinese soldier if seen one during the war.

 

[beijingwalker]

PLA soldier will not hesitate to shot this American Chinese soldier if seen one during the war.

I think that's what they should do to those carrying US and British flags in Hong kong.