Follow-on Kaveri K9+ & K10 Turbofan Jet Engine Projects worth $400 Million Await CCS Clearance

[Chanakya's_Chant]

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[samlove]

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[thesolar65]

That's what I was thinking for a long time. The programme was shelved....what bloody shelved? People get IAS or IITs after 3-4 attempts. No matter what others say, we must take it to its conclusion...i.e complete it. And I swear If at all the funds are sanctioned or programme starts, we will hear US or UK or Russia have offered to make Engines in India or even they will say they will source the parts from inside.

@Chanakya's_Chant @Abingdonboy @SR-91 @GURU DUTT

 

[GURU DUTT]

That's what I was thinking for a long time. The programme was shelved....what bloody shelved? People get IAS or IITs after 3-4 attempts. No matter what others say, we must take it to its conclusion...i.e complete it. And I swear If at all the funds are sanctioned or programme starts, we will hear US or UK or Russia have offered to make Engines in India or even they will say they will source the parts from inside.

@Chanakya's_Chant @Abingdonboy @SR-91 @GURU DUTT

in short : Kaveri programme was "never shelved" but haters gonna hate so what

 

[Guynextdoor2]

A pont I had made in the WS 10 thread, jet programs will not be stopped because of failure coz they're evolutionary in nature. It's important to keep doing.

 

[thesolar65]

in short : Kaveri programme was "never shelved" but haters gonna hate so what

And also we have made 9 prototypes, right and some 10 LCAs (different type demonstrators). Why till now they have not fitted at least one of these with one engine and test it? These TDs are not going to be used in the battle, right? Why not put old Kaveri engines on TD1 and see what happens!!

This is layman's POV. Am no expert, but your view?
@Chanakya's_Chant @Abingdonboy

 

[GURU DUTT]

And also we have made 9 prototypes, right and some 10 LCAs (different type demonstrators). Why till now they have not fitted at least one of these with one engine and test it? These TDs are not going to be used in the battle, right? Why not put old Kaveri engines on TD1 and see what happens!!

This is layman's POV. Am no expert, but your view?
@Chanakya's_Chant @Abingdonboy

no idea

 

[Echo_419]

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Hope they approve it soon

 

[saurav]

Will be interesting to see its progress.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

That's what I was thinking for a long time. The programme was shelved....what bloody shelved? People get IAS or IITs after 3-4 attempts. No matter what others say, we must take it to its conclusion...i.e complete it. And I swear If at all the funds are sanctioned or programme starts, we will hear US or UK or Russia have offered to make Engines in India or even they will say they will source the parts from inside.

@Chanakya's_Chant @Abingdonboy @SR-91 @GURU DUTT

Indeed - Four years ago, when Indian aero-engineers walked into the Gromov Flight Research Institute in Moscow, they were shocked to see Chinese engineers there. The Indians had come to flight-test Kaveri, India's first indigenous jet engine. The Chinese, too, had come on a similar mission. And, the Indian engineers were worried whether the Chinese would beat them to it.

Kaveri, which was developed at the GTRE, successfully completed the sub-sonic test in Moscow by flying a giant Ilyushin-76 aircraft. The Chinese test was a failure. Four years later, however, it seems the Kaveri story is going to have a sad end, while the Chinese are making steady progress with their project.

The project always had funding issues right from the beginning - Engineers at GTRE didn't have enough funds to buy fuel for running the engine. On other other hand the Chinese were busy investing billions in the same!

China nears approval of $16 billion domestic jet-engine plan: Xinhua| Reuters

The valuable experience and expertise gained through Kaveri will be crucial for K9+ and K10 projects - and this time I don't think funding will be a problem.

‘Our budget was stagnant for 5-6 yrs… This has been restored’, Avinash Chander, Director General,DRDO | The Indian Express

Meanwhile the Kaveri Marine Gas Turbine (KMGT), a recently developed derivative of the GTX-35VS Kaveri engine for ships is going fine with the Indian Navy -

..:: India Strategic ::.. Kaveri engine’s naval version doing fine

And also we have made 9 prototypes, right and some 10 LCAs (different type demonstrators). Why till now they have not fitted at least one of these with one engine and test it? These TDs are not going to be used in the battle, right? Why not put old Kaveri engines on TD1 and see what happens!!

This is layman's POV. Am no expert, but your view?
@Chanakya's_Chant @Abingdonboy

Actually Scientists at DRDO/GTRE altogether deny that Kaveri was to power Tejas anytime soon - The reason why it was not even tested on the TD's.

Scientists deny that India had to buy GE engines to power Tejas, India's first light combat aircraft, because of the delay in Kaveri. "Nobody in the world puts an untested engine in an untested aircraft," says a scientist. "Even if Kaveri was ready by now, we would have put some other engine in Tejas. It is always like that. The first engines are always put in proven aircraft and untested aircraft are always powered with proven engines."

Jet engine lag

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Still a long way to go before Kaveri gets installed on AMCA or LCA

At least 10 years

 

[SwAggeR]

Congress deliberately scuttled the project by squeezing the funds ,I hope course correction is done under Modi.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Still a long way to go before Kaveri gets installed on AMCA or LCA

At least 10 years

It will be onboard UCAVs before a manned plane more than likely.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

It will be onboard UCAVs before a manned plane more than likely.

HI I wanted to ask a question regarding Rafale

In another thread in PAF section ; you were confident it will happen ( I am banned from that section )

Are you really sure about Rafale

 

[Abingdonboy]

And also we have made 9 prototypes, right and some 10 LCAs (different type demonstrators). Why till now they have not fitted at least one of these with one engine and test it? These TDs are not going to be used in the battle, right? Why not put old Kaveri engines on TD1 and see what happens!!

This is layman's POV. Am no expert, but your view?
@Chanakya's_Chant @Abingdonboy

The way I understand it, the Kaveri did not quite meet power requirements stipulated by the ADA as such it would not be allowed to be tested on a single engined aircraft. The Kaveri was tested on a multi engined a/c (Il-76):

Once the Kaveri is able to demonstrate it has met the specific criteria set forth by the ADA/IAF in both ground tests and flight tests it can be put on a single engined fighter (LCA), but not before that for inherent safety considerations.


If the Kaveri is to be re-explored as a jet engine for fighters it will most likely be fitted on a twin-engined fighter (IIRC GRTE are looking to procure their own Su-30MKI for this explicit reason) before progressing onto the LCA.

HI I wanted to ask a question regarding Rafale

In another thread in PAF section ; you were confident it will happen ( I am banned from that section )

Are you really sure about Rafale

100% certain.