Flashback- PAF evaluating Mirage 2000

[SQ8]

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i played ACE Combat 6

Jokes apart , a pilot friend who have FLEW F-16 block 45 , m2k, mirage 5 told me from his experience

There is no block 45

Either 40 or 42

The major difference between the two jets is the M2K will bleed energy faster than the F-16 . There are sweet spots where the M2k is focused on giving phenomenal turn rates, but these don't last beyond a single energy turn.

An average pilot in an F-16 will always win over the average M2k pilot if he survives the initial merge.

 

[WarFariX]

There is no block 45

Either 40 or 42

The major difference between the two jets is the M2K will bleed energy faster than the F-16 . There are sweet spots where the M2k is focused on giving phenomenal turn rates, but these don't last beyond a single energy turn.

An average pilot in an F-16 will always win over the average M2k pilot if he survives the initial merge.

by block 45 i was referring to 50 coz me and my friends (aviation lovers) use our own way of talking. BTW thnx for clearing out theory. Also we have to keep in mind , that M2K due to delta config will mostly avoid dogfights at low altitude due to tremendous energly loss at turns while f16 reportedly is king of dogfights in many altitudes

 

[YeBeWarned]

@Oscar what do you mean by " Bleed Energy Faster than F-16 " ? is it about Fuel ?

 

[Windjammer]

@Oscar what do you mean by " Bleed Energy Faster than F-16 " ? is it about Fuel ?

High drag specially during turns slowing the aircraft considerably.

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar what do you mean by " Bleed Energy Faster than F-16 " ? is it about Fuel ?

A quick read for you
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy–maneuverability_theory

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Mashallah Amjad Sahib big lad and warrior back then

 

[Fledgingwings]

I would love to see 2000 in PAF fleet anytime in the future.an aircraft worth acquiring.

 

[syed_yusuf]

Pakistan should have moved to Mirage 2000 E in 1980's to establish long term partnership with French. That would have given Pakistan a boost. in 1980's PAF could have asked for local production. Pakistan could have achieved it what JFT did in 2010's to PAF in 1980's with M2K.

 

[Raider 21]

PAF Hot rod pilot, Wing Commander Amjad Javed, was sent to France to evaluate the Mirage 2000. W/C Amjad Javed who retired as an Air Commander was an F-16 pilot.View attachment 391526

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He retired as a Wing Commander. He then flew for PIA for over 22 years.

 

[volatile]

lots of senior and well informed members here discussed this M2k issue many time and concluded that it was dropped cause of Corruption , some people will never learned that M2k's weren't drop because of F-16's .. in my Opinion F-16 block 52's will beat M2k

if you look F16 US companies lobbied , Pak Army rejects due to lack of A2G support and interesting part was stoppage of funds by US in 1990`s technically this was the killer move by US

 

[Boomin' Bomber I.J.]

It would be a waste of money now.

 

[redgriffin]

@Oscar what do you mean by " Bleed Energy Faster than F-16 " ? is it about Fuel ?

No "bleeding energy" means losing the energy to maneuver faster than another aircraft.
Read up on energy maneuverability theory.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

In a similar manner---the Sabre F86 was a better fighter at higher altitude---and the Gnat at lower altitudes---.

Now---where goes the MAN BEHIND THE MACHINE---.

It seems like---if one machine is better than the other---then it is better than the other---the operator cannot do much accordingly---.

But according to the Paf philosophy or claim of fame---THE MAN BEHIND THE MACHINE makes the difference---so where did that claim go in case of the M2K's vs F16's.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Had it not been for America's willingness to sell the F-16, I reckon the PAF would have gone the route of a few Mirage 2000s supported by a larger number of Mirage F-1s. Prior to the availability of the F-16, the M2K and Mirage F-1 were listed by the PAF as its lead options. As per Wiki Leaks, the U.S. had even assured the PAF that it would lobby for term financing/loans to make the purchase of said fighters possible.

The good thing about the Mirage F-1 was that it had a good airframe design, but it was relatively under-powered by due the Atar turbojet engines (also used on the Mirage III/5). I think the PAF might have been in the mood to push for the F-1 to be re-engined with a turbofan - i.e. Snecma M53. Buy 1~2 M2K squadrons and pair them up with a higher number of re-engined and upgraded Mirage F-1s.

Having such Mirage F-1s by the 1990s would have negated the need for F-7s. It would have also given a lot more time for the development of an in-house fighter - instead of a lightweight Super-7, the PAF might have gone ahead for a medium-weight design.

 

[Dazzler]

Oh please, not another M 2000 thread ...