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Financial terrorism committed by the Govt-Military duos

People want to pay zero taxes and want subsidies for products that arent even produced in Pakistan

Tough love IMF recommends is actually a cure for our economic issues

And the diarrheaservatives flying the Australian flag want the nation to be convinced that IMF is the villain and not the poor financial management that runs across ALL gurnamints in Pakistan.

(Somebody please flush the toilet to relieve this forum of their foul thoughts. :D )
 
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And the diarrheaservatives flying the Australian flag want the nation to be convinced that IMF is the villain and not the poor financial management that runs across ALL gurnamints in Pakistan.

(Somebody please flush the toilet to relieve this forum of their foul thoughts. :D )

The poor financial management was done by Western agents who are sitting happily in London. When I castigate IMF, I castigate the Western forces that seek to keep Pakistan under their thumb. The libturds in Pakistani flags are quite happy with this. Need to send them to India from whence they sprung.
 
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Come again? Just so I understand you clearly, you want proofs for these? Some of them have URLs with the items. Others are so widely known I thought it useless to provide proof. As to their alternatives:

Point 3: Points 1 and 2 are showing insidious collusion by BKT to facilitate Point 3.

Point 4: Instead of a sudden and blanket capitulation at the direction of Imran Khan, which led to sudden termination of talks between Pakistani negotiators and IMF and total agreement with all IMF demands, a better program could have been agreed. If you present a plant to IMF which leads to you earning more dollars to pay IMF, they cannot disagree. But then you would eventually become debt free. And so they use their own agents to agree to unfair demands. The story of financial terrorism through agents placed on key posts is written throughout the world and known to everyone. I don't need to provide any proof. Have you read economic hitman?

Point 5: The article already shows why this is insidious and presents an alternative.

Point 6: The alternative is what we have today when they broke the camel's back by demanding complete autonomy for State Bank. This is intervention by those few elements in the establishment who are keeping this country running. Just like getting a PAF AM installed as CEO of PIA. May Allah Bless our hidden warriors.

Point 7: Obviously, this article is the alternative.
The assumption you are making in terms of widely known is that everyone shares your perception or statistical conclusions.

The Urls provided do not link this current government to those actions just because it happened in it. That’s almost akin to the same politician mentality that had Musharraf taking credit for the motorway which was started by Benazir.

Point 1 & 2 would have come even if you had some Taliban incharge in Pakistan by the global community. Do you think that outcome would be ANY different if you had any other government incharge and who exactly would have take steps otherwise?

Point 3 is nothing but hyperbolic conjecture that the OP is trying to put together almost as a religious belief than actual fact. We believe that Allah exists, not that common desi belief of fish and milk together will cause you to get skin patches and pigmentation (which in fact are genetic and bound to happen).

Point 4 is about circumstances and cards in hand - sure, better decisions could have been made and economic hitmen are in play today as well. However, what other better leadership has been demonstrated against economic hitmen historically or you and others like you actually demonstrated ground capability to influence these decisions otherwise. After all, if there is such discontent with these decisions the people of Pakistan must be very apathetic that they let this happen repeatedly with at most web based anger presented in a minority circle.

What would have been the consequences of the actions you are suggesting rather than just criticizing those taken by the government?

I understand that you are convinced that you are onto something but at the same time you are expecting like many others here for all to accept that PoV using links to events and then building something that doesn’t completely work on merit based analysis of arguments.

After all, just as I know that you wont accept anyone stating that because the PL-15 has a supposed range of 150km it can also shoot down a satellite in LEO.

So, yes - the proof is in the pudding and right now what is being presented is eggs from one event, milk from another along with saying there musg be sugar too so it must be a pudding.
 
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When I castigate IMF, I castigate the Western forces that seek to keep Pakistan under their thumb.

Perhaps you do not realize that even the present setup went to IMF, of their own volition. Going to IMF is a choice made by just about all governments, whether liberal or cuntservative. This is not the work of any agents, but piss poor financial management across decades and decades.
So, yes - the proof is in the pudding and right now what is being presented is eggs from one event, milk from another along with saying there musg be sugar too so it must be a pudding.


Even with all those ingredients, the stench of manure here is the giveaway that this claimed pudding may not be good for anyone to swallow.
 
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a great way to gauge arguments from either side of the aisle and all pdf members incl myself

the bottom rung represents the mentality of a 5 year old bully in the playground.
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a great way to gauge arguments from either side of the aisle and all pdf members incl myself

the bottom rung represents the mentality of a 5 year old bully in the playground.
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I like the bottom rung part, this is what it's all about baby!

Internet loses its charm without it
 
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The assumption you are making in terms of widely known is that everyone shares your perception or statistical conclusions.

The Urls provided do not link this current government to those actions just because it happened in it. That’s almost akin to the same politician mentality that had Musharraf taking credit for the motorway which was started by Benazir.

Point 1 & 2 would have come even if you had some Taliban incharge in Pakistan by the global community. Do you think that outcome would be ANY different if you had any other government incharge and who exactly would have take steps otherwise?

Let's see. China has a vested interest in going against the West. It has been subjected to an organized and orchestrated campaign of defamation by the West. The Maulana Masood Azhar case gave leverage to our closest ally over the West. And we influence them to give up their leverage. This is not just treason to Pakistan, this is betrayal of an ally as well. If I need to put this in writing for people, then those people aren't qualified for this discussion. The funny thing is, the more your prod these points, the more despicable BKT looks.

Other than that, no one in the world goes around saying 'We have terrorists'. Has any Indian leader accepted the existence of local terrorists on a world platform? Imran Khan's statement in Iran was so unusual, that the usually silent Hina Rabbani Khar spoke out against it.

I am sorry to say, if I have to actually spell this out, then I am dealing with an ostrich attitude here - people want to dig their heads into sand. And that has been my experience on this thread. Blanket repudiations without any substance. No wonder this nation can be led to its downfall so easily.

Point 3 is nothing but hyperbolic conjecture that the OP is trying to put together almost as a religious belief than actual fact. We believe that Allah exists, not that common desi belief of fish and milk together will cause you to get skin patches and pigmentation (which in fact are genetic and bound to happen).

So you deny a concerted Western effort to unfairly put Pakistan into the FATF gray list? So tell me, why is India whose naval officer was found involved in terrorism, who has financed terrible mass murder in Karachi, who is behind TTP, why is this country not in the black list? No matter what answer you give to this question, you will incriminate Pakistani leadership in some way. Yes, leadership both past and present. But the past is in the past. I am focused on the present. Where we are is the result of certain actions taken by current leadership. Please take a look at Indian diatribe that has made Maulana Masood Azhar its centerpiece. This is India's response to Kulbhushan Jadhev, and your Prime Minister is a criminal facilitator in this.

How is this an hyperbolic conjecture? And why are you bringing religious beliefs into it? It looks like you are trying your best to ignore the real facts and question my own intelligence. Ad hominem much?

Point 4 is about circumstances and cards in hand - sure, better decisions could have been made and economic hitmen are in play today as well. However, what other better leadership has been demonstrated against economic hitmen historically or you and others like you actually demonstrated ground capability to influence these decisions otherwise. After all, if there is such discontent with these decisions the people of Pakistan must be very apathetic that they let this happen repeatedly with at most web based anger presented in a minority circle.

Because a large majority of Pakistanis are kept systematically illiterate. And again Imran Khan has shown his true face - in three years there is no development towards a comprehensive education system. And there will not be. His 'electibles' are feudals elected by people serving bonded labor. The BKT regime can join all political parties to pass a law for Bajwa's extension, but they cannot force anyone for comprehensive education?

And then there is the libturds Cambridge educated who believe they are progeny of a Ghandara civilization and find their salvation in being slaves to the West. We don't expect them to raise a stink that spoils their masters' plans.

The point isn't whether better leadership has been demonstrated historically. The point is that the current regime are economic hitmen. Why are you diverting the discussion from this important issue? And what purpose would it serve to delve into the past?

What would have been the consequences of the actions you are suggesting rather than just criticizing those taken by the government?

I understand that you are convinced that you are onto something but at the same time you are expecting like many others here for all to accept that PoV using links to events and then building something that doesn’t completely work on merit based analysis of arguments.

After all, just as I know that you wont accept anyone stating that because the PL-15 has a supposed range of 150km it can also shoot down a satellite in LEO.

So, yes - the proof is in the pudding and right now what is being presented is eggs from one event, milk from another along with saying there musg be sugar too so it must be a pudding.

Sorry to say, but the response I am getting looks like ostrich mentality. I am here to answer any questions, but go through the thread and see the drivel that has been spewed.
 
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The poor financial management was done by Western agents who are sitting happily in London. When I castigate IMF, I castigate the Western forces that seek to keep Pakistan under their thumb. The libturds in Pakistani flags are quite happy with this. Need to send them to India from whence they sprung.
The biggest enemy of Pakistan are people who think a consumption led growth fuelled by debt is a good idea I mean even after witnessing the crisis in Lebanon they still think its the way to go

We approached IMF because we were out of money and we were close to default even before July 2018 but I am sure morons who parrot baboon league talking points know this
 
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Perhaps you do not realize that even the present setup went to IMF, of their own volition. Going to IMF is a choice made by just about all governments, whether liberal or cuntservative. This is not the work of any agents, but piss poor financial management across decades and decades.

Are you following my argument? I am saying the decades and decades of financial mismanagement is the work of economic hitmen, many of whom are sitting happily in London. It still doesn't reflect nicely on IMF. I mean, I talk to Australian born, Australian bred Western people and even they castigate the IMF. Who are you trying to fool here? The reason why there isn't a ton of people laughing at you is because there is a ton of idiots on this forum.
The biggest enemy of Pakistan are people who think a consumption led growth fuelled by debt is a good idea I mean even after witnessing the crisis in Lebanon they still think its the way to go

We approached IMF because we were out of money and we were close to default even before July 2018 but I am sure morons who parrot baboon league talking points know this

You are showing your utter cluelessness here. Because consumption led growth fuelled by debt IS capitalism itself. Please go to google and search for 'Total debt of America', 'Total debt of Japan', 'Total debt of Australia', and 'Total debt of Japan' just to give an example. The difference is that their debt is managed whereas Pakistan's debt has been mismanaged by economic hitmen. And not just debt, but the very fabric of Pakistani society has been torn apart over decades by these Western appointed hitmen. This has been the modus operandi on PDF by a certain group of so called 'economically educated' people to blame Pakistan for Pakistan's problems. Time to break this status quo and show the world the true image.
 
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China has a vested interest in going against the West.
China is the biggest trade partner of the west
China does not hate the west. It sees the west as a huge market
So you deny a concerted Western effort to unfairly put Pakistan into the FATF gray list?
When were we put in grey list?
in three years there is no development towards a comprehensive education system
So the SNC does not exist?
The point is that the current regime are economic hitmen.
The people who prevented the country going bankrupt are economic hitmen and the people who got us close to defaulting are saviours ?
And what purpose would it serve to delve into the past?
The policies enacted today will have an impact far beyond this date
Looking at what happened in the past explains a lot of issues we have today
Nawaz Sharif focusing on a consumption led growth fuelled by debt was a large contributor of the CAD we had
 
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a great way to gauge arguments from either side of the aisle and all pdf members incl myself

the bottom rung represents the mentality of a 5 year old bully in the playground.
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Go through the thread and see how much name-calling has been leveled on me. I only respond in self-defence.
 
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Go read the link in OP again. In June 2018, Pakistan had been identified as having serious deficiencies and given time to implement reforms. And during that time Imran Khan told the world 'Look, we have terrorists'.

Next time read it before telling others what to do, here let me help you out:

This is not the first time Pakistan has found itself on one of FATF’s list of not-so-good guys; the country was there in 2008 and from 2012 to 2015. https://www.dawn.com/news/1418143 Taken from Link you provided.
 
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NOTE: This article includes suggestions about dealing in interest bearing instruments. Interest is Haram in Islam and the author abides by this Islamic teaching. Unfortunately, a discussion on the problems of Pakistan's interest based economy necessarily needs to include interest based solutions. The discussion on how to convert the economy to a non-interest one is out of the scope of this article, and beyond the capabilities of this author. More knowledgeable people and actual religious scholars are encouraged to inform everyone on this very important topic.

I have on many occasions criticized the Bajwa-Khan duopoly that has ensnared Pakistan within its heinous tentacles. I have maintained that this regime is taking Pakistan towards complete Western takeover and eventual secession into multiple independent countries. One important component of this heinous crime is financial subjugation of Pakistan. I feel the BKT (Bajwa-Khan Traitorship) has shown its true nature by perpetrating terrorist policies, and the time is now ripe to bare these policies in front of Pakistan.

First let us review the high level roadmap of BKT's malicious plan:

1. Circa April 2019 - Imran Khan accepts the existence of terrorists in Pakistan during visit to Iran, thus going against Gen Raheel's policy to deny the existence of terrorists within Pakistan. https://www.dawn.com/news/1477837

2. Circa May 2019 - Influence China to stop blocking the declaration of Maulana Masood Azhar as a global terrorist. https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/465278-un-to-declare-masood-azhar-a-global-terrorist-today

3. Circa June 2019 - Pakistan is put into the FATF gray list. https://www.dawn.com/news/1418143

So far, everyone can understand the anti-Pakistan machinations of these traitors. In this article, we shall discuss at length the more obscure parts of this plan:

4. Circa June 2019 - Pakistan agrees to IMF conditions that go against its national interests. The relevant program can be accessed here: https://www.imf.org/en/Publications...he-Extended-Fund-Facility-Press-Release-47092

5. Under the IMF program, a huge focus is given to increasing government revenue through tax collection. This has been a multi-year odyssey of the PTI government.

6. Under the IMF program, key financial positions are given to IMF agents. The Governor State Bank Raza Baqir, FBR Chairman Shabbar Zaidi, and Adviser later to be Finance Minister Hafeez Shaikh have all served in IMF or World Bank.

7. A superfluous strengthening of the Rupee is seen which is followed by a sudden drop.

8. A superfluous improvement in Current Account Deficit is seen which is followed by a sharp increase.

9. The agenda of privatizing key government entities is pushed.

10. No attention to flight/loss of capital in the name of 'exports'.

All the while, no one amongst Pakistan's intelligentsia and political elite has the motivation or capability to speak truthfully about the country's troubles and how to fix them. This gives a free hand to BKT to shamelessly tout their treason as economic growth and improvement.

In what follows, I will first explain the real problem being faced by Pakistan, and the actual solutions needed to fix them. It will be abundantly clear how BKT's policies amount to financial terrorism.

Dollars - Pakistan's biggest problem

Pakistan's biggest problem today is the dollar denominated debt that needs to be paid to the tune of approximately 10 billion dollars every year. Any sensible person would argue that Pakistan needs to generate dollars to pay back this debt. Instead, under IMF dictation, the sole focus is on revenue collection in Rupees. These need to be converted into dollars, thus weakening the rupee even further just by paying back debt. The practical outcome of this insidious policy is the strengthening of PKR when debt was temporarily suspended due to COVID. As soon as the COVID crises ended, the PKR lost that strength. This is exactly the IMF plan to keep a country forever indebted: by focusing on revenue collection in the vernacular currency, subjecting the country to exchange rate shocks when it is converted into dollars on the international market.

Instead of highlighting this fundamental problem and discussing solutions for it, BKT has built and controlled a false narrative around CAD (Current Account Deficit) and revenue generation.

So this is Pakistan's question to BKT terrorists: why are you forwarding IMF's agenda to keep Pakistan under ever increasing debt?

Earning dollars - The fix for Pakistan's problems

Let us discuss the means through which Government of Pakistan can earn dollars.

Holding US Treasuries

Economically powerful nations keep a part of their dollar reserves in the form of US Treasuries. Japan and China are two of the biggest holders of such bonds. The key benefit of holding T-Bills is that they are interest bearing. Instead of money sitting idle in the reserve, treasures generate more dollars, albeit the inflation adjusted outcome my still be negative. A sound economic policy must include treasuries within the reserve basket.

Investment through Sovereign Wealth Fund

The IMF supports the formation of 'Sovereign Wealth Fund' and has done a lot of work in the recent past to define acceptable practices around the management of such funds. This is one case where at least some Pakistanis have tried activism to raise awareness. Googling for 'Pakistan Sovereign Wealth Fund' brings up the page for an advocacy group that aims to free Pakistan from its current financial shackles. But under BKT leadership, no work has been done on this very important front.

The management of an SWF cannot be left simply in the hands of foreign managers. Pakistan needs professionals of highest caliber, who are also patriotic Pakistanis, to manage such a fund. But again, we find complete absence of policy and direction from BKT in creating the required human resource for this.

Careful investment by an SWF can be a powerful tool to earn dollars that can be used to pay off Pakistan's debts. The complete absence of Treasuries and SWF from BKT's economic plan shows either incompetence or subversion. In either case, this presents an extremely poor picture of BKT's three year tenure.

Government enterprises for exporting goods and services

This is a sordid chapter of BKT's reign. Imran Khan seems take an almost fetishistic interest in selling off PIA and Steel Mills. Thankfully, there is a PAF general heading PIA which has been the saving grace. Otherwise, Imran Khan's own minister has gone out of his way to ensure the demise of the national carrier:


The saga of the licenses of Pakistani pilots was a direct attack on Pakistan's economic well-being. Most people have been fed the propaganda of state run enterprises being inefficient. Be that as it may, there is nothing to suggest that state owned enterprises should also be inefficient. Unfortunately, in an environment of misgovernance, the past experiment with a German CEO has not borne any fruit. But this is misgovernance. PIA can earn valuable foreign exchange for the government if managed properly. And given its potential and the state of Pakistan's economy, this should have been one of the highest priority projects.

Similarly for Steel Mills. Export of high quality steel or finished products can become a big source of dollars, but again the enemies of Pakistan are making every single effort to make sure that dollar revenues are denied to Government of Pakistan.

The current crisis is the perfect case for creating government owned enterprises that lead to both domestic job creation and exports earnings. Why is no attention being paid to this important aspect? And why is BKT taking a completely 180 degrees approach?

Dollar denominated excise and customs

Yet another source of dollars can be duties and taxes on imports that are denominated in dollars. This author does not have the necessary data regarding dollarization of the tax regime, but had this been implemented properly, we would see a generous revenue stream.

A regime focused on destruction

The reader should now have a fairly good idea of what good economic management would look like. Which immediately shows BKT's economic management as not just disastrous, but outright anti-Pakistan. Let us now discuss another false narrative - rising exports.

It is true that Pakistani exports are doing much better than before. But what is not being discussed is the loss of revenue. This is how the export model of many Pakistani companies is structured. They have sister companies in Western countries that finalize business deals. These sister companies then proceed to buy goods and services at cost from their local operations and sell them at a profit. Pakistan only receives the cost in dollars whereas the real profit is kept overseas. This author is not aware of any studies into the size of this revenue loss, but just this component can easily run into billions of dollars.

Similarly, Foreign Direct Investment, or FDI is pushed as a silver bullet, especially by IMF. But FDI can be a double edged sword. Without proper government oversight, FDI can lead to dollar outflows. It is for this reason that well managed countries have mechanisms for deep government oversight. Take a look at how the Australian government reviews foreign investment:


Conclusion

It should be abundantly clear to the reader that the Bajwa-Khan Traitorship has been installed by the enemies of Pakistan to further their agenda of economic and financial terrorism. Until and unless this nation learns to take its leaders to task and make them pay for their crimes, Pakistan will remain a joke in the eyes of the world. The common man will continue to suffer under exorbitant prices and lack of services. When will Pakistan wake up and rise?
So U ok to fly with fake pilots?? I am not
 
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China is the biggest trade partner of the west
China does not hate the west. It sees the west as a huge market

So invested in defending the West that you will now try to show a China-West love relationship? You are beyond rescue here. Like, at this very moment, the American military isn't planning and strategizing about winning a war in the South China Sea? There are no hostilities over Taiwan? You are now wasting bandwidth.

When were we put in grey list?

Please read the OP.

So the SNC does not exist?

The SNC is not a comprehensive education plan to elevate the vast majority of people from illiteracy. First the non-uniform reach because of 18th amendment. And second, because real education is not just a curriculum, rather an update to teaching and examination methods that teach and test creativity, independent thought, and critical thinking.

The people who prevented the country going bankrupt are economic hitmen and the people who got us close to defaulting are saviours ?

The policies enacted today will have an impact far beyond this date
Looking at what happened in the past explains a lot of issues we have today
Nawaz Sharif focusing on a consumption led growth fuelled by debt was a large contributor of the CAD we had

Again, please go and read OP which explains clearly how increasing the tax net for the purpose of paying back debt is a recipe for perpetual indebtedness.
 
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